Kawhi undergoes surgery for partial ACL tear

[ejftw]

Man, I love Farbod's feed when he bodies people, it's a thing of beauty.

I am getting a little concerned about Kawhi, but still not close to hitting the doomsday button

[Roscoe Sheed]

Why not simply shelve Kawhi till the AS break? I'm sure we can tread water until then?

they might, but there's no guarantee it won't just flare up after the AS break too.

At some point, he needs to build some chemistry with the current roster

[Bobbymcgee]

Really going to suck if the Clippers get stuck with an injured Leonard for the remainder of his contract.

[Clemenza]

This guy said it perfectly. Nothing but facts. The issue isn't Kawhi's injury. Its just the lack of transparency that's all.

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[nickhx2]

sure hope that's not you because dude sounds just like every other needy, entitled fan who's about to cry because they aren't getting what they think they deserve

[ejftw]

Why not simply shelve Kawhi till the AS break? I'm sure we can tread water until then?

they might, but there's no guarantee it won't just flare up after the AS break too.

At some point, he needs to build some chemistry with the current roster

Agreed, he needs to get some burn before the AS break, better to find out if there's a flare up prior and a way to manage it along with the chemistry.

[esqtvd]

Really going to suck if the Clippers get stuck with an injured Leonard for the remainder of his contract.

um, the possibility is dawning on people
a top-4 seed is already looking questionable

"I wanna remind everybody in 2017-2018, when he only played 9 games for the San Antonio Spurs, he missed 72 games that year. He missed 22 games the year they won the championship in Toronto. He missed 25 games the year after, his first year in LA with the Clippers. He missed 32 the year after that. Then he misses the entire season this past year. And now, he's already missing games. He's only played 2 games into a [10]-game season. This is utterly ridiculous... somehow, someway, we can't seem to get him on the court, we can't seem to get him healthy. He still gets his money though. Something's gotta give. I mean, damn. I can't talk about anybody anymore when it comes to missing games, Kawhi Leonard is the pro! He is a two-time champion, two-time Finals MVP and this brother is also a champion at missing games. Nobody does it better!"

it's not that he's necessarily dogging it but we are slipping into irrelevance
we haven't won 50 games since CP3 left

5 years ago, man
2016-17
FIVE years ago

[Dynamix]

We also haven't made the conference finals since a couple games after Kawhi went down.

2 years ago, man
2020-21
TWO years ago
(actually more like a year and a half ago, I was just being dramatic)

Ok, let's say Kawhi is done. What exactly should we do? Trade him right now for whatever we can get? Why not PG too, while we're at it?

Or could we just wait for our season to officially be over before pouring the gasoline and lighting the match?

If Kawhi misses 20-40 games, but somehow still looks like he did in the playoffs with Toronto and us (even with the Denver choke), I'd take that over all the 50 win seasons in the world.

So let's just hope for the best regarding his health, because I don't see any better option at the moment.

[NetsWorld]

If you guys are in rebuild mode, we can trade you Kyrie, the Philly pick and Harris for Paul George and a second rounder. PG’s contract is off your hands and Kyrie expires or you can buy him out.

[esqtvd]

We also haven't made the conference finals since a couple games after Kawhi went down.

2 years ago, man
2020-21
TWO years ago
(actually more like a year and a half ago, I was just being dramatic)

Ok, let's say Kawhi is done. What exactly should we do? Trade him right now for whatever we can get? Why not PG too, while we're at it?

Or could we just wait for our season to officially be over before pouring the gasoline and lighting the match?

If Kawhi misses 20-40 games, but somehow still looks like he did in the playoffs with Toronto and us (even with the Denver choke), I'd take that over all the 50 win seasons in the world.

So let's just hope for the best regarding his health, because I don't see any better option at the moment.

So basically you're agreeing. Pray for a late season comeback and miracle playoff run like the Raptors. The point here is that the dream of a dominant NBA team for the next 2-3 years is evaporating.

But that's OK. We'll just blame Reggie. And the coach.

[Clemenza]

sure hope that's not you because dude sounds just like every other needy, entitled fan who's about to cry because they aren't getting what they think they deserve

No that's not me, I'm black. How is he entitled and needy?

[ejftw]

If you guys are in rebuild mode, we can trade you Kyrie, the Philly pick and Harris for Paul George and a second rounder. PG’s contract is off your hands and Kyrie expires or you can buy him out.

Yeah, it would require a first to take Kyrie, a first to take Harris and a good first to give up PG.

Kyrie + Philly first for Powell + Reggie is fine by me, that way, esqtvd doesn't have to defend Big Government and fans can blame Kyrie

[ejftw]

We also haven't made the conference finals since a couple games after Kawhi went down.

2 years ago, man
2020-21
TWO years ago
(actually more like a year and a half ago, I was just being dramatic)

Ok, let's say Kawhi is done. What exactly should we do? Trade him right now for whatever we can get? Why not PG too, while we're at it?

Or could we just wait for our season to officially be over before pouring the gasoline and lighting the match?

If Kawhi misses 20-40 games, but somehow still looks like he did in the playoffs with Toronto and us (even with the Denver choke), I'd take that over all the 50 win seasons in the world.

So let's just hope for the best regarding his health, because I don't see any better option at the moment.

So basically you're agreeing. Pray for a late season comeback and miracle playoff run like the Raptors. The point here is that the dream of a dominant NBA team for the next 2-3 years is evaporating.

But that's OK. We'll just blame Reggie. And the coach.

That dream, concurrently with championship aspirations, has heavily relied upon the health of Kawhi, from the start.

And since that off-season, I've said that I wish the Fo could've talked Kawhi into trusting Shai's growth and using the bevy of picks for a trade for a second star as the year went on.

Didn't happen, and there is no point in going back into that.

It's just going to be interesting around the deadline, and very telling.

[esqtvd]

If you guys are in rebuild mode, we can trade you Kyrie, the Philly pick and Harris for Paul George and a second rounder. PG’s contract is off your hands and Kyrie expires or you can buy him out.

Yeah, it would require a first to take Kyrie, a first to take Harris and a good first to give up PG.

Kyrie + Philly first for Powell + Reggie is fine by me, that way, esqtvd doesn't have to defend Big Government and fans can blame Kyrie

yah I'm sort of the Atticus Finch hereabouts

[nickhx2]

sure hope that's not you because dude sounds just like every other needy, entitled fan who's about to cry because they aren't getting what they think they deserve

No that's not me, I'm black. How is he entitled and needy?

It'd be one thing if the video was a cry video on "oh, clips are without kawhi again because of injuries blah blah i'm so frustrated/upset/mad" - like ok that makes sense to me. Like if I saw this dude or anyone else toss the thanksgiving dinner table in anger because he was out again I'd be like yeah I get it. But when it gets to the point of "i'm frustrated because you won't tell us anything" then that's insane to me because they actually have been telling us what's been occurring. They've told us it's knee stiffness, they've told us he wants to play, they've told us it's the org that is keeping him out for safety precautions. At that point, anyone seeking more transparency is simply not going to get it and/or expecting too much, the latter of which makes for being entitled and needy.

Additionally, there's guys asking lue about kawhi's status and when he'll be back, as if he's omniscient, and he always responds the same way in that he doesn't know: which makes sense because how can he know exactly when kawhi will be ready? Because as it is, the org won't let him play because his knee has to respond to stimuli in a way that doesn't freak out the org, whether that stimuli be some type of off the court work/workout or actual live game reps (which is most likely because lue's typical response has been that it's getting better). And the only way for that to happen is he works out, confers with training staff/doctors on his progress, and moves on to the next workout.

FWIW as I type this I can kind of see a bit more why some people are responding the way they do because often times injuries can be given a time frame of like "4-6 weeks of recovery" blah blah. But not all injuries are the same and not all recoveries are the same. It's like PG's torn UCL last year, where he opted not to go with surgery and to go with a natural strengthening/rehab process and we just really never knew when he'd be back. I also certainly see the point of view where he initially had the torn ACL and the team was a bit wishy-washy in their responses on his potential return to the finals (which was never going to be an option cause it's a freaking ACL), so there's an expectation that he's being obtuse on purpose again in this regard. But this to me is not even remotely the same as that. Tangentially, it's also why it's insane to me how I've seen people call for him to be shut down for x amount of time or whatever - partly because if he was all of a sudden having zero negative feedback in his workouts, wouldn't you just want him to come back? And also he needs legit game reps to not only see how the knee responds to those legit game reps, but also gains the strength to endure more and more game reps. It is certainly possible that he is given the green light, he comes back, plays a game or two, and has to sit out some more.

Anyway, so when this person or anyone else chooses not to accept what lue or the team is telling us, and instead goes to the point of "well you're not being forthright enough with us" i mean, yeah i think it's 100% on the mark of needy and entitled. Like sure I'd love to have a personal 1 hour morning meeting every day with kawhi's entire training staff and doctors so they could debrief me on the kawhi situation, show me the x-rays and MRI's and all that but I'm just a fan so I know that I'm certainly not going to get the maximum amount of info. Instead, kawhi and lue and the org is going to do what most other players/orgs do and update us when something breaking happens or provide snippets of info here and there, because A. that's all we usually get and B. recovery from injuries are often just a wait-and-see situation.

[madmaxmedia]

Why not simply shelve Kawhi till the AS break? I'm sure we can tread water until then?

I guess at this point we have no idea if it's a 'getting back into playing shape' thing, a 'his leg is about to fall off and his career is over' thing, or somewhere between those vast extremes. If he needs a long period off to hopefully get well, then yeah that's exactly what they should do. But man oh man if that is required after already well over year off, we're not looking good.

[donemilio21]

We also haven't made the conference finals since a couple games after Kawhi went down.

2 years ago, man
2020-21
TWO years ago
(actually more like a year and a half ago, I was just being dramatic)

Ok, let's say Kawhi is done. What exactly should we do? Trade him right now for whatever we can get? Why not PG too, while we're at it?

Or could we just wait for our season to officially be over before pouring the gasoline and lighting the match?

If Kawhi misses 20-40 games, but somehow still looks like he did in the playoffs with Toronto and us (even with the Denver choke), I'd take that over all the 50 win seasons in the world.

So let's just hope for the best regarding his health, because I don't see any better option at the moment.

We can't afford a rebuild. We gave up too many draft picks. I don't want to another embarrassment like the Baron Davis pick giving Cavs Kyrie.

The issue is that we can no longer trust Kawhi. Can you? I don't trust that he will be available for playoffs. I don't trust that he will even tell the team whether he is injured or not. He is becoming a distraction. We have enough pieces to come up with a 3-team trade that lands us another star to play next to PG, we should work something out before rest of the league finds out that Kawhi's knees are same as Brandon Roys.

[wakelaunch1]

We also haven't made the conference finals since a couple games after Kawhi went down.

2 years ago, man
2020-21
TWO years ago
(actually more like a year and a half ago, I was just being dramatic)

Ok, let's say Kawhi is done. What exactly should we do? Trade him right now for whatever we can get? Why not PG too, while we're at it?

Or could we just wait for our season to officially be over before pouring the gasoline and lighting the match?

If Kawhi misses 20-40 games, but somehow still looks like he did in the playoffs with Toronto and us (even with the Denver choke), I'd take that over all the 50 win seasons in the world.

So let's just hope for the best regarding his health, because I don't see any better option at the moment.

We can't afford a rebuild. We gave up too many draft picks. I don't want to another embarrassment like the Baron Davis pick giving Cavs Kyrie.

The issue is that we can no longer trust Kawhi. Can you? I don't trust that he will be available for playoffs. I don't trust that he will even tell the team whether he is injured or not. He is becoming a distraction. We have enough pieces to come up with a 3-team trade that lands us another star to play next to PG, we should work something out before rest of the league finds out that Kawhi's knees are same as Brandon Roys.

Who do you think makes sense? we need another point guard and a defensive big. Reggie has been a disappointment this year. And John Wall is a nice rotational piece. These are the people I would consider trading: Morris, Jackson, Zubac, Batum, Covington, Powell, and Mann. Thats like 78 million in salaries.

We need to open up more playing time for Boston and Moses Brown. Kennard has been awesome. Coffey has been ok, but hasnt continued to progress.

[esqtvd]

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