2022-2023 Regular Season Game 10: Sacramento Kings (2-5) at Orlando Magic (2-7) - 5pm

[KillMonger]

Still trying to understand why we went small in the 3rd? Foul trouble?

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[drsd]

Still trying to understand why we went small in the 3rd? Foul trouble?

Orlando began the quarter with the Jumbol starters. After losing 10 points, Hampton replaced Suggs. Then another -3 led to Harris and Ross replacing Wagner and Bol. That is, the Magic went small because going big was not working.

Of course the Magic lost another 11 to close out the goose-egg of a quarter.

The popcorn site nicely visualised this all: NBA-popcorn: Kings vs. Magic

[Optimus_Steel]

It's a shame the Magic lost that game as the youngins played well most of the night and battled. But this feels like a huge learning opportunity game. Big lead, blowing it due to lack of focus and disjointed play in the 3rd, get down 10 in the 4th, they battle back and take a 4pt lead late, can't hang on goes to overtime, they got down 6 and battle back to tie only to lose it in a long 3 at the buzzer. Tons for the young guys to learn from this one, but it's hard to get outscored 24 in one quarter and win, and yet they almost did. I think the lack of competent PG, and Suggs is not a real PG, and lack of veteran presence to help steady the ship, really hurt in the 3rd. Also, 3pt shooting, or lack of, was huge, that's something that has to be a giant priority next summer. We are close to competing, need to upgrade guards and 3pt shooting over the summer. This is why I'm not sold on Suggs and we should be exploring trade opportunities unless we can get a big time shooter at SG or he is willing to be an off the bench guy. Also my goodness Bol what a revelation he has been.

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Who are you trading Suggs for?

I would look for a veteran PG that can be a steadying presence or a veteran SG with a track record of being a good 3pt shooter.

[OrlChamps2030]

This how unfair some of the posters are on here..

Jalen's notable numbers.. 15ppg 4 apg 2.8 spg (which would be 2nd in the league if qualified) 15 per

He's shooting 29% from the 3.

Franz 16ppg 4 and 4 shooting 21% from 3 and a 12 per.

But one guy is part of the future core and one guy isn't?

Why do some of you hate on JS so much? What has he done but play hard and take pride playing for y'all?

I’m on my phone, can you post Suggs & Franz stats from last season?

What does last season have to do with where the players are this season?

Of course last season would factor in to considering which players are core pieces.. but I guess that wouldn’t fit your narrative..

[basketballRob]

A loss is a loss, anyway, you can get them.

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[NavalAviator94]

Still trying to understand why we went small in the 3rd? Foul trouble?

Orlando began the quarter with the Jumbol starters. After losing 10 points, Hampton replaced Suggs. Then another -3 led to Harris and Ross replacing Wagner and Bol. That is, the Magic went small because going big was not working.

Of course the Magic lost another 11 to close out the goose-egg of a quarter.

The popcorn site nicely visualised this all: NBA-popcorn: Kings vs. Magic

I listened to the post game interviews on this. The players took responsibility coming out with no energy. Coach made the changes to try change that up without much success.

[ibraheim718]

I’m on my phone, can you post Suggs & Franz stats from last season?

What does last season have to do with where the players are this season?

Of course last season would factor in to considering which players are core pieces.. but I guess that wouldn’t fit your narrative..

I'm pretty sure your front office isn't making those determinations on a 50 game sample size for a guy they drafted 5. That would be insanely irresponsible. But hey if the growing sentiment from fans is to try and trade him maybe the front office should take heed and meet fan demand and trade him.

[Bakomagic]

It's a process. We need better guards and having 2 lottery picks, with one being top 5 in a deep draft, we're in an amazing spot

I'd argue we have the most promising future out of any young developing team in the league.

Great point add that with the ability to create 50/60 million in capsapce next offseason, we are in a really good
Spot and not enough non magic fans are aware of it!

I don't know...have you looked at the FA class....Free Agency for the last several years has turned into a nothing burger because the better players get extended ahead of it. Usually the guys left are the best players, who are re-signing with their current team anyways, and then a pretty steep cliff.

It's rough.

Yea, not great. Although I’d take a look at Myles turner for around 20 million, he can space the floor and protect the rim and he is somehow only 26 years old.

Then I’d look to trade some assets (Suggs, chi,den, 24 1st and maybe WCjr) for a star scoring guard. Then draft Scoot, Keyonte or Nick Smith and start our rise to contention!

[PrimeThyme]

I agree with Pepe.

When the season started, I resigned myself to the fact that as long as we saw Wagner/Banchero playing big minutes together and staying healthy, I would be happy. But the truth is, we’ve seen that, and im not.

I get that everyone wants to chalk up what we’ve seen so far this season as a young team being “young”, and us intentionally tanking, but I can’t get on board with that. Chalking up Mosleys rotational and in-game desicion making to him playing 8D chess in a effort for us to tank is a level up coping that I’m not capable of.

The numbers Banchero is putting up are earth-shattering, and on the surface objectively great, but I’m just not convinced it’s the best situation we could be putting him in for longterm success. Wagner as well. We basically put the ball into both of their hands without any semblance of offensive creativity or scheme, and ask them to produce and create every thing when they’re out there.

Banchero is playing 34mpg and is getting unprecedented usage/offensive responsibly 10 games into his rookie season as a 19 year old. The media and public is naturally going to eat up all the records and stat accumulation that will come from it, but I worry about the potential longterm effects.

Not a shred of defense is being played this season, and though the games are close and we are utilizing our advantage to score inside, if you look at the modern NBA and how the most successful teams score and defend, we are essentially doing the opposite. Its nothing that can realistically scale to longterm contention, which is the foundation we should be developing around Franz/Banchero.

Maybe after a 22 game win season we hit free agency next year, fire Mosley, and everything falls into place. But I have real concerns that it won’t be that easy.

[pepe1991]

I agree with Pepe.

When the season started, I resigned myself to the fact that as long as we saw Wagner/Banchero playing big minutes together and staying healthy, I would be happy. But the truth is, we’ve seen that, and im not.

I get that everyone wants to chalk up what we’ve seen so far this season as a young team being “young”, and us intentionally tanking, but I can’t get on board with that. Chalking up Mosleys rotational and in-game desicion making to him playing 8D chess in a effort for us to tank is a level up coping that I’m not capable of.

The numbers Banchero is putting up are earth-shattering, and on the surface objectively great, but I’m just not convinced it’s the best situation we could be putting him in for longterm success. Wagner as well. We basically put the ball into both of their hands without any semblance of offensive creativity or scheme, and ask them to produce and create every thing when they’re out there.

Banchero is playing 34mpg and is getting unprecedented usage/offensive responsibly 10 games into his rookie season as a 19 year old. The media and public is naturally going to eat up all the records and stat accumulation that will come from it, but I worry about the potential longterm effects.

Not a shred of defense is being played this season, and though the games are close and we are utilizing our advantage to score inside, if you look at the modern NBA and how the most successful teams score and defend, we are essentially doing the opposite. Its nothing that can realistically scale to longterm contention, which is the foundation we should be developing around Franz/Banchero.

Maybe after a 22 game win season we hit free agency next year, fire Mosley, and everything falls into place. But I have real concerns that it won’t be that easy.

You elaborated my thoughts better than i did. Tnx.