It’ll be interesting to see how Turner responds next season

[Topofthekey]

Also, as has been reported by Agness and a few others, Indy allegedly hasn’t been shopping anyone. They’ve discussed offers that come in and whatnot, but there’s hasn’t been a clear sale of vets.

That's interesting. With how young and potential ladden the team already is I'm very ok with them keeping vets around

Maximizing lottery odds for Wembanyama is nice, but a seldom mentioned cost of tanking is the lost of years of control over their existing players. Every year spent tanking is one wasted year of control

Assuming Haliburton extends for 5 years beyond his rookie contract, that means Pacers have roughly another 6 years of control over Haliburton

6 years sound like a long time but it's really not, considering it'll take the team's young players 1 or 2 years to grow, and then maybe another 1 or 2 years to attempt at establishing a winning culture

Honestly if they want to be competitive this year and try to push for a play in spot I won't even be upset

[Scoot McGroot]

Also, as has been reported by Agness and a few others, Indy allegedly hasn’t been shopping anyone. They’ve discussed offers that come in and whatnot, but there’s hasn’t been a clear sale of vets.

That's interesting. With how young and potential ladden the team already is I'm very ok with them keeping vets around

Oh, that's definitely not what I said. Agness also has continually reported that both players are HIGHLY unlikely to finish the season on other rosters and are very unlikely to be Pacers next season.

Maximizing lottery odds for Wembanyama is nice, but a seldom mentioned cost of tanking is the lost of years of control over their existing players. Every year spent tanking is one wasted year of control

Developmental years usually are necessary anyway and are "wastes" of team control, so why not stack the two together and develop more of the young guys even if it costs you a few games?

Assuming Haliburton extends for 5 years beyond his rookie contract, that means Pacers have roughly another 6 years of control over Haliburton

I wouldn't assume anything. Maybe the Pacers don't even offer the 5th year? Maybe his agent doesn't want it? Maybe the Pacers play "cheap"? Who knows.

6 years sound like a long time but it's really not, considering it'll take the team's young players 1 or 2 years to grow, and then maybe another 1 or 2 years to attempt at establishing a winning culture

Honestly if they want to be competitive this year and try to push for a play in spot I won't even be upset

Oh, gosh. That'd bother me. Isn't that exactly what the forum here has ranted against for years? If Hali/Mathurin are who we hope they are, this might be the last chance to add another impact type (Mathurin level) player to the roster. We're going to just skip that and say "This is our core we're going to try for a championship with"?

[Wizop]

Oh, gosh. That'd bother me. Isn't that exactly what the forum here has ranted against for years? If Hali/Mathurin are who we hope they are, this might be the last chance to add another impact type (Mathurin level) player to the roster. We're going to just skip that and say "This is our core we're going to try for a championship with"?

unless you're counting Kendall Brown as the core 3, I don't think we have our core yet. we've got 3 draft picks coming up and even without luck in the lottery, I think we'll get some real wings to replace Theis, Johnson and likely Hield and Turner. the plans for Brissett and Taylor are also unclear.

note that at this time last year, Brown was thought to be a lottery pick. It isn't beyond the range of probability for someone like the second Thompson twin to have a similar fall this year if he doesn't develop a shot. I see us continuing to look for athletes.

[Topofthekey]

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Also, as has been reported by Agness and a few others, Indy allegedly hasn’t been shopping anyone. They’ve discussed offers that come in and whatnot, but there’s hasn’t been a clear sale of vets.

That's interesting. With how young and potential ladden the team already is I'm very ok with them keeping vets around

Oh, that's definitely not what I said. Agness also has continually reported that both players are HIGHLY unlikely to finish the season on other rosters and are very unlikely to be Pacers next season.

Maximizing lottery odds for Wembanyama is nice, but a seldom mentioned cost of tanking is the lost of years of control over their existing players. Every year spent tanking is one wasted year of control

Developmental years usually are necessary anyway and are "wastes" of team control, so why not stack the two together and develop more of the young guys even if it costs you a few games?

Assuming Haliburton extends for 5 years beyond his rookie contract, that means Pacers have roughly another 6 years of control over Haliburton

I wouldn't assume anything. Maybe the Pacers don't even offer the 5th year? Maybe his agent doesn't want it? Maybe the Pacers play "cheap"? Who knows.

6 years sound like a long time but it's really not, considering it'll take the team's young players 1 or 2 years to grow, and then maybe another 1 or 2 years to attempt at establishing a winning culture

Honestly if they want to be competitive this year and try to push for a play in spot I won't even be upset

Oh, gosh. That'd bother me. Isn't that exactly what the forum here has ranted against for years? If Hali/Mathurin are who we hope they are, this might be the last chance to add another impact type (Mathurin level) player to the roster. We're going to just skip that and say "This is our core we're going to try for a championship with"?

I won't be upset though if the team made a push for the play in and "ruined" their pick, I think they can still find someone good

Ending up with a top 5 pick to add to Haliburton and Mathurin is of course ideal

But there's also value in getting the team to compete, even if it "ruins" their pick a bit

[AussiePacer]

Surely we try to keep Myles? Heart and soul type player who is good enough and young enough to be a factor as we rise again.

[8305]

Oh, gosh. That'd bother me. Isn't that exactly what the forum here has ranted against for years? If Hali/Mathurin are who we hope they are, this might be the last chance to add another impact type (Mathurin level) player to the roster. We're going to just skip that and say "This is our core we're going to try for a championship with"?

unless you're counting Kendall Brown as the core 3, I don't think we have our core yet. we've got 3 draft picks coming up and even without luck in the lottery, I think we'll get some real wings to replace Theis, Johnson and likely Hield and Turner. the plans for Brissett and Taylor are also unclear.

note that at this time last year, Brown was thought to be a lottery pick. It isn't beyond the range of probability for someone like the second Thompson twin to have a similar fall this year if he doesn't develop a shot. I see us continuing to look for athletes.

Does Myles having a change of heart and electing to stay change the calculus on this? It looks to me like Jackson is getting better at being a switchy big. Also wonder if Nembhard could be that defensive wing it seems to me we need to properly compliment Ben and Hali.

[Wizop]

Does Myles having a change of heart and electing to stay change the calculus on this?.

Change of heart? He wants to be paid. Remember he told Stix to get his money. I don't think he's ever wanted to leave if the money is the same.

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[Scoot McGroot]

Surely we try to keep Myles? Heart and soul type player who is good enough and young enough to be a factor as we rise again.

He’s unrestricted and eligible to sign an extension (or a renegotiation and extension) at any time right now.

Whether we try or not doesn’t guarantee anything. It would require Myles agreeing, and he’s talking a lot as if he’s enjoying his final time here in Indy before shopping the market.

[8305]

Does Myles having a change of heart and electing to stay change the calculus on this?.

Change of heart? He wants to be paid. Remember he told Stix to get his money. I don't think he's ever wanted to leave if the money is the same.

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Listening to the latest “setting the pace” podcast. Michael Scotto said months ago Pacers and Turner discussed extension. Sounded like Pacers made an extension offer similar to what they gave Brogdan. Scotto indicated agreement with Myles camp in turning that down. No discussion since. He joined the chorus Myles will not be in Indiana by season’s end.

[Wizop]

Does Myles having a change of heart and electing to stay change the calculus on this?.

Change of heart? He wants to be paid. Remember he told Stix to get his money. I don't think he's ever wanted to leave if the money is the same.

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Listening to the latest “setting the pace” podcast. Michael Scotto said months ago Pacers and Turner discussed extension. Sounded like Pacers made an extension offer similar to what they gave Brogdan. Scotto indicated agreement with Myles camp in turning that down. No discussion since. He joined the chorus Myles will not be in Indiana by season’s end.

If you were the Pacers, how much would you worry about being outbid with no sign and trade possibility? I'm willing to let the negotiations play out even if we could lose him for nothing. I think he is just about not leaving money on the table and will resign if no home town discount is involved. That assumes we're willing to pay market price.

To be clear, I understand that many think that because they have not been able to agree on an extension they will not be able to reach agreement next August. I think those are independent events.

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[Grang33r]

Scott Agness joins the HoopsHype podcast and discusses Turner and more

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-myles-turner-buddy-hield-tyrese-haliburton-bennedict-mathurin-jalen-smith/

Just listened to it. Very good discussion. Nothing ground breaking but one thing I thought was interesting which also surprised Scott was Scotto said each time Turner does something all of Nets twitter is talking about Myles, he mentioned how he thinks it’s be a great fit and how they need someone like him. But also later mentioned it’s more just fan talk not anything of substance. But I wonder if Turner and Nets can be a match. Like they say, where there’s smoke there’s usually fire.

[8305]

Scott Agness joins the HoopsHype podcast and discusses Turner and more

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-myles-turner-buddy-hield-tyrese-haliburton-bennedict-mathurin-jalen-smith/

Just listened to it. Very good discussion. Nothing ground breaking but one thing I thought was interesting which also surprised Scott was Scotto said each time Turner does something all of Nets twitter is talking about Myles, he mentioned how he thinks it’s be a great fit and how they need someone like him. But also later mentioned it’s more just fan talk not anything of substance. But I wonder if Turner and Nets can be a match. Like they say, where there’s smoke there’s usually fire.

Lakers, Warriors, Nets and Heat all seem like teams aiming to contend. All of them have roster issues that Myles and or Hield and Theis could address.

[Wizop]

Regardless of the noise, my heart's in Indy.

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[Tom White]

Regardless of the noise, my heart's in Indy.

I caught that last night as well. He really made a point of it.

Man, he turned it loose in that game.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Sure. But it also means absolutely nothing in terms of if he wants to stay or not. Like, he could sign a contract extension or renegotiation right now if he wanted to. If he hits unrestricted free agency to see what he’s worth on the open market, there’s also no guarantee or mechanism that he brings an offer to Indy to match or beat.

I’m enjoying this start to the season, but it doesn’t change the facts of the matter that Indy probably won’t want to risk losing him for nothing, and it’s more likely than not that they’d trade him by the deadline if he doesn’t extend.

[Wizop]

Sure. But it also means absolutely nothing in terms of if he wants to stay or not. Like, he could sign a contract extension or renegotiation right now if he wanted to.

two things can be true at the same time. 1) he can want to stay. 2) he can not want to leave money on the table and believes that he can only know that he has avoided that if he waits until free agency when he can receive multiple offers.

I don't expect him to sign an extension although there is a small possibility he might agree to a renegotiated extension if he sees another player who he believes has similar talent sign one to set the market.

[Scoot McGroot]

Sure. But it also means absolutely nothing in terms of if he wants to stay or not. Like, he could sign a contract extension or renegotiation right now if he wanted to.

two things can be true at the same time. 1) he can want to stay. 2) he can not want to leave money on the table and believes that he can only know that he has avoided that if he waits until free agency when he can receive multiple offers.

I don't expect him to sign an extension although there is a small possibility he might agree to a renegotiated extension if he sees another player who he believes has similar talent sign one to set the market.

Midseason, and with so few players eligible to extend, and no one else really able to renegotiate and extend, what player “setting the market” midseason do you see?

But yes. He could want to stay and also not want to bring an offer back to be matched or beaten. Ultimately, I just don’t think that Indy can let him hit free agency unless he just has no trade market whatsoever.

[Wizop]

Midseason, and with so few players eligible to extend, and no one else really able to renegotiate and extend, what player “setting the market” midseason do you see?

no one in particular. it is just a theoretical but unlikely possibility.

But yes. He could want to stay and also not want to bring an offer back to be matched or beaten. Ultimately, I just don’t think that Indy can let him hit free agency unless he just has no trade market whatsoever.

I'm not sure they have a choice. I think if it were my decision, I'd take the risk unless their capologist tells them they would become taxpayers if they don't replace Turner with a player on a rookie contract.

[Scoot McGroot]

Midseason, and with so few players eligible to extend, and no one else really able to renegotiate and extend, what player “setting the market” midseason do you see?

no one in particular. it is just a theoretical but unlikely possibility.

But yes. He could want to stay and also not want to bring an offer back to be matched or beaten. Ultimately, I just don’t think that Indy can let him hit free agency unless he just has no trade market whatsoever.

I'm not sure they have a choice. I think if it were my decision, I'd take the risk unless their capologist tells them they would become taxpayers if they don't replace Turner with a player on a rookie contract.

Unless he just has no offers on the trade market, they always have a choice.

There’s no real taxpayer risk in the next couple years whatsoever, and this team is highly unlikely to ever be a taxpayer team.

The risk is losing Turner for nothing. That’s it. If you’re ok with that, then it’s ok.

[basketballwacko2]

If the team renegotiates and extends him does that give him more money this season? Considering the space the team has now, I'd offer him a declining deal. If it can increase this years salary it would almost be like a signing bonus. I have got time to look it up. But lets says $29 million, declining by 5% per year for 4 yrs. If he can do what he did last night he's worth as much as Rudy Gobert.