Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[twolves31]

If you want to double down on giving up 5 1sts and a swap for a 30 year old Gobert, giving up your budding 21 year old superstar for a 32 year old Lillard gives us a great head start on those 2028/2030 lottery odds.

Its unfortunate but I don't have faith in Ant to carry us. He's a kid.

Karl's not reliable either, nor is Gobert a playmaker or shot creator.

We have two great bigs and amazing surrounding pieces, but no main star that can pick up the slack.

Lillard is consistent, clutch, and one of the best point guards over the last decade. He might only be able to give us 3 more years at full strength, just like Gobert.

I hated the Gobert trade, unfortunately it's done, and the timelines are all ****. If you want to win a chip you have to spend the only equitable piece you have left now.

On paper winning a championship is the only thing that matters, if you make a trade for Lillard and win 1 championship than the trade is worth it, even if Ant ends up winning 3 titles elsewhere. Lillard made the playoffs almost every year of his career, the furthest being the WCF where he got swept by GS and made the Conference Finals 2 other times losing 1-4 both times to Clippers and the Rockets. A lot of people blamed the CJ fit, but he is thriving in New Orleans at the moment. If you make that trade you have to win a championship in the next 3 years, because Dame who has been injured often the past 2 seasons, is running out of time before he takes a big step back due to father time. Would Dame come here like Chris Paul went to Phoenix and immediately put them into title contention, I think he might but really something our front office is going to have to decide on.

[Note30]

If you want to double down on giving up 5 1sts and a swap for a 30 year old Gobert, giving up your budding 21 year old superstar for a 32 year old Lillard gives us a great head start on those 2028/2030 lottery odds.

Its unfortunate but I don't have faith in Ant to carry us. He's a kid.

Karl's not reliable either, nor is Gobert a playmaker or shot creator.

We have two great bigs and amazing surrounding pieces, but no main star that can pick up the slack.

Lillard is consistent, clutch, and one of the best point guards over the last decade. He might only be able to give us 3 more years at full strength, just like Gobert.

I hated the Gobert trade, unfortunately it's done, and the timelines are all ****. If you want to win a chip you have to spend the only equitable piece you have left now.

On paper winning a championship is the only thing that matters, if you make a trade for Lillard and win 1 championship than the trade is worth it, even if Ant ends up winning 3 titles elsewhere. Lillard made the playoffs almost every year of his career, the furthest being the WCF where he got swept by GS and made the Conference Finals 2 other times losing 1-4 both times to Clippers and the Rockets. A lot of people blamed the CJ fit, but he is thriving in New Orleans at the moment. If you make that trade you have to win a championship in the next 3 years, because Dame who has been injured often the past 2 seasons, is running out of time before he takes a big step back due to father time. Would Dame come here like Chris Paul went to Phoenix and immediately put them into title contention, I think he might but really something our front office is going to have to decide on.

It's stupid, because ultimately, I think they pulled the trigger too soon. I do think we needed to make a move this past summer, just not one that splashy for a guy who can't carry the offensive load.

Gobert is basically a middling factor in most of the games I've seen. He's not so good that he can change the flow of the game or stop it.

We wasted a lot of picks on him and now we're in a **** spot.

[IceManBK1]

Its unfortunate but I don't have faith in Ant to carry us. He's a kid.

Karl's not reliable either, nor is Gobert a playmaker or shot creator.

We have two great bigs and amazing surrounding pieces, but no main star that can pick up the slack.

Lillard is consistent, clutch, and one of the best point guards over the last decade. He might only be able to give us 3 more years at full strength, just like Gobert.

I hated the Gobert trade, unfortunately it's done, and the timelines are all ****. If you want to win a chip you have to spend the only equitable piece you have left now.

On paper winning a championship is the only thing that matters, if you make a trade for Lillard and win 1 championship than the trade is worth it, even if Ant ends up winning 3 titles elsewhere. Lillard made the playoffs almost every year of his career, the furthest being the WCF where he got swept by GS and made the Conference Finals 2 other times losing 1-4 both times to Clippers and the Rockets. A lot of people blamed the CJ fit, but he is thriving in New Orleans at the moment. If you make that trade you have to win a championship in the next 3 years, because Dame who has been injured often the past 2 seasons, is running out of time before he takes a big step back due to father time. Would Dame come here like Chris Paul went to Phoenix and immediately put them into title contention, I think he might but really something our front office is going to have to decide on.

It's stupid, because ultimately, I think they pulled the trigger too soon. I do think we needed to make a move this past summer, just not one that splashy for a guy who can't carry the offensive load.

Gobert is basically a middling factor in most of the games I've seen. He's not so good that he can change the flow of the game or stop it.

We wasted a lot of picks on him and now we're in a **** spot.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10054757-kevin-durant-rumors-whole-league-ready-to-reengage-nets-on-trade-talks

Kyrie+Durant for Gobert, Dlo, McDaniels, Novell, Reid.. We don't have picks to give them. But they get young talents such as Novell and Reid.

[shrink]

Tell me this isn’t true?

The Minnesota Timberwolves are open to trading for Kyrie Irving if the Brooklyn Nets make him available.

(via Brian Windhorst)

I really don’t think our team culture could stand it, let alone Towns.

[Domejandro]

Tell me this isn’t true?

The Minnesota Timberwolves are open to trading for Kyrie Irving if the Brooklyn Nets make him available.

(via Brian Windhorst)

I really don’t think our team culture could stand it, let alone Towns.

Karl-Anthony Towns would be able to handle it, I still maintain that fear is insanely overblown.

That said, I’ve looked into it and don’t see any reliable reporting on that. Brian Windhorst didn’t say that in 2022.

[BlacJacMac]

Tell me this isn’t true?

The Minnesota Timberwolves are open to trading for Kyrie Irving if the Brooklyn Nets make him available.

(via Brian Windhorst)

I really don’t think our team culture could stand it, let alone Towns.

IcemanBK1 is probably his source...

[TimberKat]

Evan Fournier just got benched for Quentin Grimes in NYK.

How about Russell and Forbes for Rose and Fournier?
Fournier is under contract for 19 mil next year, team option in 24.
Rose has a 15.5 team option next year.

Who says no or do we ask for more incentive for the extra money on next years cap?

Fournier is a career 38% 3pt shooter and Rose shot 40% from deep last year.

Very interesting..

Both Fournier and Rose aren't starting point guard material. JMcL and Rose at point is a little risky. If we somehow work Conley into the mix I will be more interested.

[TimberKat]

Was talking on trade board. I kinda like this idea.

Wolves out: Dlo, Forbes, maybe Naz (Naz is the variable,)
Wolves in: John Wall, Tereance Mann, and Markus Morris Sr.

Why for the Wolves. Wall is an interesting Dlo alternative, Mann can play PG, and Morris allows Anderson to switch to PG. If we trade 3 for 2 we dump Rivers or Knight to make the roster spots work. We save money on the trade, to the tune of 8.4 million. All 3 are under contract next year and a Morris is there for 2 more after. Even if we move Naz we can use Garza as a fill in. If we don’t (I probably wouldn’t include him unless we tweak the package a bit,) then we gain depth by giving up Dlo’s high end potential.

Downside. I know everyone hates Dlo. But he has been good at times this year, and was much better last year. He is truly underrated overall. That said, I think a change would be good for both parties.

Forgot to add:

Wall, JMAC, Anderson, Mann
Ant, Nowell, Mann
MCD, Prince, Anderson, Minott
KAT, Anderson, Morris, Knight
Gobert, (maybe Naz,) Anderson, Garza, Knight

Why LAC wants to do this trade? Wall picked LAC and I don't think he is interested in TWolves. He is great in pushing pace and looks like still have a lot left but not a good 3pt shooter. Almost like a Simmons.

[winforlose]

Was talking on trade board. I kinda like this idea.

Wolves out: Dlo, Forbes, maybe Naz (Naz is the variable,)
Wolves in: John Wall, Tereance Mann, and Markus Morris Sr.

Why for the Wolves. Wall is an interesting Dlo alternative, Mann can play PG, and Morris allows Anderson to switch to PG. If we trade 3 for 2 we dump Rivers or Knight to make the roster spots work. We save money on the trade, to the tune of 8.4 million. All 3 are under contract next year and a Morris is there for 2 more after. Even if we move Naz we can use Garza as a fill in. If we don’t (I probably wouldn’t include him unless we tweak the package a bit,) then we gain depth by giving up Dlo’s high end potential.

Downside. I know everyone hates Dlo. But he has been good at times this year, and was much better last year. He is truly underrated overall. That said, I think a change would be good for both parties.

Forgot to add:

Wall, JMAC, Anderson, Mann
Ant, Nowell, Mann
MCD, Prince, Anderson, Minott
KAT, Anderson, Morris, Knight
Gobert, (maybe Naz,) Anderson, Garza, Knight

Why LAC wants to do this trade? Wall picked LAC and I don't think he is interested in TWolves. He is great in pushing pace and looks like still have a lot left but not a good 3pt shooter. Almost like a Simmons.

Why, because Wall is a high risk player, sitting all back 2 backs and has an injury history. They still have Reggie Jackson and with Dlo they would have two starter quality OGs who can play together. Naz fills a need at backup 5 since IH went to NYK. Forbes is extra shooting and helps to replace the depth loss of Mann. Essentially they are trading a starter, a backup, and a end of rotation player, for a starter, a backup and a end of rotation player. The upside is fit for both teams.

[BlacJacMac]

Was talking on trade board. I kinda like this idea.

Wolves out: Dlo, Forbes, maybe Naz (Naz is the variable,)
Wolves in: John Wall, Tereance Mann, and Markus Morris Sr.

Why for the Wolves. Wall is an interesting Dlo alternative, Mann can play PG, and Morris allows Anderson to switch to PG. If we trade 3 for 2 we dump Rivers or Knight to make the roster spots work. We save money on the trade, to the tune of 8.4 million. All 3 are under contract next year and a Morris is there for 2 more after. Even if we move Naz we can use Garza as a fill in. If we don’t (I probably wouldn’t include him unless we tweak the package a bit,) then we gain depth by giving up Dlo’s high end potential.

Downside. I know everyone hates Dlo. But he has been good at times this year, and was much better last year. He is truly underrated overall. That said, I think a change would be good for both parties.

Forgot to add:

Wall, JMAC, Anderson, Mann
Ant, Nowell, Mann
MCD, Prince, Anderson, Minott
KAT, Anderson, Morris, Knight
Gobert, (maybe Naz,) Anderson, Garza, Knight

Why LAC wants to do this trade? Wall picked LAC and I don't think he is interested in TWolves. He is great in pushing pace and looks like still have a lot left but not a good 3pt shooter. Almost like a Simmons.

Agreed.

The main reason they moved on from Beverley (despite him being immensely popular in the locker room) was they wanted more of a table setter and someone that could put pressure on a defense. A guy who could make the game easier for their 2 stars.

That guy really isn't DLo.

[babyjax13]

I will give you one Mike Conley for D'Lo. If you are looking for someone who runs an offense (and who is ruining our tank), it is him.

RE: the broader problems. Remember when the Heatles got off to a bad start and people were freaking out in their first year? This often happens when teams make major changes. Maybe D'Lo is a problem, but I have a feeling that some adjustments can be made that makes this work. I would not trade Ant for Lillard, I don't think you throw your future away like that.

[Domejandro]

I will give you one Mike Conley for D'Lo. If you are looking for someone who runs an offense (and who is ruining our tank), it is him.

RE: the broader problems. Remember when the Heatles got off to a bad start and people were freaking out in their first year? This often happens when teams make major changes. Maybe D'Lo is a problem, but I have a feeling that some adjustments can be made that makes this work. I would not trade Ant for Lillard, I don't think you throw your future away like that.

If Utah starts losing, maybe, but I don't see them upending the existing chemistry, even if it messes up the tank. Add that to not wanting to improve Minnesota, I just don't see it for you guys.

[IceManBK1]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269294/Anthony-Davis-Might-Be-Available-Via-Trade

AD+Westbrook for dlo, Gobert and Prince

[winforlose]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269294/Anthony-Davis-Might-Be-Available-Via-Trade

AD+Westbrook for dlo, Gobert and Prince

Because we don’t struggle enough already. Adding Street Clothes and head case is gonna solve our problems? That isn’t even 50 dollars for 20 quarters. That is 60 dollars for 10 quarters. Get real. Rudy is worth so much more than AD. Prince and Dlo are worth more way more than WB.

[babyjax13]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269294/Anthony-Davis-Might-Be-Available-Via-Trade

AD+Westbrook for dlo, Gobert and Prince

Gobert is a better player than AD at this point in their careers, and is also more durable.

[younggunsmn]

If you want to double down on giving up 5 1sts and a swap for a 30 year old Gobert, giving up your budding 21 year old superstar for a 32 year old Lillard gives us a great head start on those 2028/2030 lottery odds.

Its unfortunate but I don't have faith in Ant to carry us. He's a kid.

Karl's not reliable either, nor is Gobert a playmaker or shot creator.

We have two great bigs and amazing surrounding pieces, but no main star that can pick up the slack.

Lillard is consistent, clutch, and one of the best point guards over the last decade. He might only be able to give us 3 more years at full strength, just like Gobert.

I hated the Gobert trade, unfortunately it's done, and the timelines are all ****. If you want to win a chip you have to spend the only equitable piece you have left now.

On paper winning a championship is the only thing that matters, if you make a trade for Lillard and win 1 championship than the trade is worth it, even if Ant ends up winning 3 titles elsewhere. Lillard made the playoffs almost every year of his career, the furthest being the WCF where he got swept by GS and made the Conference Finals 2 other times losing 1-4 both times to Clippers and the Rockets. A lot of people blamed the CJ fit, but he is thriving in New Orleans at the moment. If you make that trade you have to win a championship in the next 3 years, because Dame who has been injured often the past 2 seasons, is running out of time before he takes a big step back due to father time. Would Dame come here like Chris Paul went to Phoenix and immediately put them into title contention, I think he might but really something our front office is going to have to decide on.

This is the kind of dangerous hubris that led us to making the Gobert trade.
We weren't one player away from a chip, we weren't 2 players away, and we still aren't.

We made the playoffs last year because we developed great chemistry and were able to make a big jump in our defensive performance.
The most tragic part of the Gobert trade isn't the draft picks, it's that we gave up the 2 players who were key to that defensive identity and scheme which allowed us to largely hide/mitigate our star big man's weakness on that end of the floor.
AInge knew exactly what he was doing in blowing up our chemistry to increase the value of those draft picks.

You cite the CP3 trade, but what did the Suns give up? Rubio and Kelly Oubre plus a pick. They made a direct upgrade at the PG position, like we should have done with D-Lo last summer.
Giving up Ant for Lillard would be like if the SUns had traded Booker for Paul.

[minimus]

At this point I'd be happy to split DLo salary between Nowell and Tre Jones. Let say 58/4 for Nowell and 30/3 for Jones. Unfortunately there is no way we can make it happen.

[Klomp]

Evan Fournier just got benched for Quentin Grimes in NYK.

How about Russell and Forbes for Rose and Fournier?
Fournier is under contract for 19 mil next year, team option in 24.
Rose has a 15.5 team option next year.

Who says no or do we ask for more incentive for the extra money on next years cap?

Fournier is a career 38% 3pt shooter and Rose shot 40% from deep last year.

Very interesting..

This is one of the more realistic options out there. Don't forget about the French connection with Fournier and Gobert that could help the on-court transition. And if Rosas has sway, the Knicks may be a rare team to target Russell for more than his expiring.

[minimus]

I found a perfect player to make this roster work. It is Josh Hart. He is an elite rebounder for a guard, solid passer, defender. Can play secondary ballhandler. This year Portland looks great with him.

[_AIJ_]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269294/Anthony-Davis-Might-Be-Available-Via-Trade

AD+Westbrook for dlo, Gobert and Prince

OMG dude