Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay

[wadenation305]

On another note.... when is Joe Tsai and the NBA going to denounce China for its antisemitism and genocide and overall crimes against humanity? Or is it cool like China gives them money?

[NetsWorld]

On another note.... when is Joe Tsai and the NBA going to denounce China for its antisemitism and genocide and overall crimes against humanity? Or is it cool like China gives them money?

Tsai is already being exposed by the same cats who criticized Kyrie. They know the punishment is extremely harsh and they are trying to emasculate him, hence his demands are getting denounced.

[Educator]

My hope is that this meeting with Silver is about the NBA issuing a punishment separate and apart from the one the Nets have issued.

[JKiddy]

I hope Kryie understands the pain he brought out on not only Jewish people but any human being that has empathy in our world.

If he truly shows that he is apologetic and feels for the people he harmed I think he should be welcomed back. If I were Kyrie I would have someone help with his social media for now on. I would get a new agent or manager who is not afraid to say no to him. He needs someone who is not family.

He should do whatever the Nets asked and just come back and ball out. The only chance he has at getting paid is to lead the Nets deep into the playoffs. I hope this happens.

I know a great deal of people dislike him now. He is young. He was stupid. If he is not truly Anti-Semitic I think he should be welcomed back. He should make a nice public announcement that he denounces the film and was childish and stupid in posting it. If the league fines him so be it. Let him play and let's see what this team can do for this year. Kyrie stop with the drama and just ball out!

[KL78192020]

So what steps does he have left? Looks like these are left for him to come back?

- Sensitivity training
- Antisemitic training
- Meet with ADL, Jewish leaders

[MGrand15]

I'm so sick of this narrative that the list Kyrie needs to complete is emasculating or that the Nets are just trying to get Kyrie to bow down. It completely ignores all context.

In a normal situation where someone says something bad or insensitive, they immediately apologize and show regret. It's usually fake but it's the bare minimum. Kyrie not only posted something bad - he tripled down on it, attacked the media, ignored Joe Tsai who was trying to resolve this without a fine or suspension, ignored the ADL, and in the end, never apologized once. Until AFTER he got suspended and the damage was done.

That's brand damage that's above and beyond any normal situation. The lack of communication with the front office and ownership is extra unacceptable when Kyrie is literally hurting the team on a daily basis.

The list seems excessive because what Kyrie did was excessive. It's a basic attempt to undo SOME of the damage he did during the week and also show the team that he's willing to communicate.

People painting this as 'Tsai wanting Kyrie to bend the knee or beg for his job' is just so nasty to me. How about Kyrie proves he can do a 5 minute media session without hurting the rep of the team? Or prove that he's willing to have a conversation with the team? The guy has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

The rhetoric and fandom around Kyrie is just so gross man. I really hope he demands a trade and we can just close this chapter.

[Claud]

Even if he wins a chip with us he is 100% gone after this season.
Enough is enough.

[Gooner]

On another note.... when is Joe Tsai and the NBA going to denounce China for its antisemitism and genocide and overall crimes against humanity? Or is it cool like China gives them money?

Qing James made it very clear where they stand on that issue.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm so sick of this narrative that the list Kyrie needs to complete is emasculating or that the Nets are just trying to get Kyrie to bow down. It completely ignores all context.

In a normal situation where someone says something bad or insensitive, they immediately apologize and show regret. It's usually fake but it's the bare minimum. Kyrie not only posted something bad - he tripled down on it, attacked the media, ignored Joe Tsai who was trying to resolve this without a fine or suspension, ignored the ADL, and in the end, never apologized once. Until AFTER he got suspended and the damage was done.

That's brand damage that's above and beyond any normal situation. The lack of communication with the front office and ownership is extra unacceptable when Kyrie is literally hurting the team on a daily basis.

The list seems excessive because what Kyrie did was excessive. It's a basic attempt to undo SOME of the damage he did during the week and also show the team that he's willing to communicate.

People painting this as 'Tsai wanting Kyrie to bend the knee or beg for his job' is just so nasty to me. How about Kyrie proves he can do a 5 minute media session without hurting the rep of the team? Or prove that he's willing to have a conversation with the team? The guy has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

The rhetoric and fandom around Kyrie is just so gross man. I really hope he demands a trade and we can just close this chapter.

I see absolutely nothing on that list that is objectionable or "emasculating". All i see are reasonable demands in a response to a series of unreasonable actions that hurt not only the team and the league, but also the community at large.

People want to treat Kyrie like a f*cking child and I'm tired of it. If you or I tweeted out that video and someone told our employers, we'd be fired. Racism, antisemitism is damaging to a brand. What Kyrie did was dangerous. End of story.

If he can't sit and talk to the very people he spread hatred against to show that his talk about peace and love isn't BS, he's a coward. In fact, if he was truly contrite he wouldn't have to be forced to do this, he would be offering to meet with Jewish folks in the community and have a dialogue.

"How can i atone for my actions? How do i come to an understanding with the people I've harmed?" If these things aren't on his agenda then he isn't sorry at all.

But I'm with you. I want him gone. His fandom has stained this fanbase. The sooner he takes his fanboy army of little antisemites and antivaxxers with him, the better.

[TheNetsFan]

I'm so sick of this narrative that the list Kyrie needs to complete is emasculating or that the Nets are just trying to get Kyrie to bow down. It completely ignores all context.

In a normal situation where someone says something bad or insensitive, they immediately apologize and show regret. It's usually fake but it's the bare minimum. Kyrie not only posted something bad - he tripled down on it, attacked the media, ignored Joe Tsai who was trying to resolve this without a fine or suspension, ignored the ADL, and in the end, never apologized once. Until AFTER he got suspended and the damage was done.

That's brand damage that's above and beyond any normal situation. The lack of communication with the front office and ownership is extra unacceptable when Kyrie is literally hurting the team on a daily basis.

The list seems excessive because what Kyrie did was excessive. It's a basic attempt to undo SOME of the damage he did during the week and also show the team that he's willing to communicate.

People painting this as 'Tsai wanting Kyrie to bend the knee or beg for his job' is just so nasty to me. How about Kyrie proves he can do a 5 minute media session without hurting the rep of the team? Or prove that he's willing to have a conversation with the team? The guy has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

The rhetoric and fandom around Kyrie is just so gross man. I really hope he demands a trade and we can just close this chapter.

I see absolutely nothing on that list that is objectionable or "emasculating". All i see are reasonable demands in a response to a series of unreasonable actions that hurt not only the team and the league, but also the community at large.

People want to treat Kyrie like a f*cking child and I'm tired of it. If you or I tweeted out that video and someone told our employers, we'd be fired. Racism, antisemitism is damaging to a brand. What Kyrie did was dangerous. End of story.

If he can't sit and talk to the very people he spread hatred against to show that his talk about peace and love isn't BS, he's a coward. In fact, if he was truly contrite he wouldn't have to be forced to do this, he would be offering to meet with Jewish folks in the community and have a dialogue.

"How can i atone for my actions? How do i come to an understanding with the people I've harmed?" If these things aren't on his agenda then he isn't sorry at all.

But I'm with you. I want him gone. His fandom has stained this fanbase. The sooner he takes his fanboy army of little antisemites and antivaxxers with him, the better.

I think it definitely oversteps the bounds of what a team is permitted to do. Some are calling it a modern version of buck breaking. Maybe it is. Maybe the Nets think they're helping him by giving Kyrie a blueprint for trying to salvage his reputation, marketability and career.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm so sick of this narrative that the list Kyrie needs to complete is emasculating or that the Nets are just trying to get Kyrie to bow down. It completely ignores all context.

In a normal situation where someone says something bad or insensitive, they immediately apologize and show regret. It's usually fake but it's the bare minimum. Kyrie not only posted something bad - he tripled down on it, attacked the media, ignored Joe Tsai who was trying to resolve this without a fine or suspension, ignored the ADL, and in the end, never apologized once. Until AFTER he got suspended and the damage was done.

That's brand damage that's above and beyond any normal situation. The lack of communication with the front office and ownership is extra unacceptable when Kyrie is literally hurting the team on a daily basis.

The list seems excessive because what Kyrie did was excessive. It's a basic attempt to undo SOME of the damage he did during the week and also show the team that he's willing to communicate.

People painting this as 'Tsai wanting Kyrie to bend the knee or beg for his job' is just so nasty to me. How about Kyrie proves he can do a 5 minute media session without hurting the rep of the team? Or prove that he's willing to have a conversation with the team? The guy has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt.

The rhetoric and fandom around Kyrie is just so gross man. I really hope he demands a trade and we can just close this chapter.

I see absolutely nothing on that list that is objectionable or "emasculating". All i see are reasonable demands in a response to a series of unreasonable actions that hurt not only the team and the league, but also the community at large.

People want to treat Kyrie like a f*cking child and I'm tired of it. If you or I tweeted out that video and someone told our employers, we'd be fired. Racism, antisemitism is damaging to a brand. What Kyrie did was dangerous. End of story.

If he can't sit and talk to the very people he spread hatred against to show that his talk about peace and love isn't BS, he's a coward. In fact, if he was truly contrite he wouldn't have to be forced to do this, he would be offering to meet with Jewish folks in the community and have a dialogue.

"How can i atone for my actions? How do i come to an understanding with the people I've harmed?" If these things aren't on his agenda then he isn't sorry at all.

But I'm with you. I want him gone. His fandom has stained this fanbase. The sooner he takes his fanboy army of little antisemites and antivaxxers with him, the better.

I think it definitely oversteps the bounds of what a team is permitted to do. Some are calling it a modern version of buck breaking. Maybe it is. Maybe the Nets think they're helping him by giving Kyrie a blueprint for trying to salvage his reputation, marketability and career.

I disagree with this entirely. I don't think asking a player to do mundane things like attend a sensitivity course, or have a sit down with Jewish Community leaders to simply talk are outrageous asks.

Also, and this isn't directed at you, but I've seen the people who compare this to do list to buck breaking and I'm telling you right now, they are f*cking idiots.

Buck breaking was the act of male slaves being brutally flogged and then raped up the ass.

Comparing that to Kyrie being asked to sit down for a civil discussion with community leaders is outrageous and offensive.

There is a segment of folks out there that think that because Kyrie is Black, that he doesn't need to be held accountable for the things that he says or does. That's garbage, and it's infantilizing a 30 year old man who decided to be pig headed instead of taking a step back and actually listening to the people he hurt.

[TheNetsFan]

I see absolutely nothing on that list that is objectionable or "emasculating". All i see are reasonable demands in a response to a series of unreasonable actions that hurt not only the team and the league, but also the community at large.

People want to treat Kyrie like a f*cking child and I'm tired of it. If you or I tweeted out that video and someone told our employers, we'd be fired. Racism, antisemitism is damaging to a brand. What Kyrie did was dangerous. End of story.

If he can't sit and talk to the very people he spread hatred against to show that his talk about peace and love isn't BS, he's a coward. In fact, if he was truly contrite he wouldn't have to be forced to do this, he would be offering to meet with Jewish folks in the community and have a dialogue.

"How can i atone for my actions? How do i come to an understanding with the people I've harmed?" If these things aren't on his agenda then he isn't sorry at all.

But I'm with you. I want him gone. His fandom has stained this fanbase. The sooner he takes his fanboy army of little antisemites and antivaxxers with him, the better.

I think it definitely oversteps the bounds of what a team is permitted to do. Some are calling it a modern version of buck breaking. Maybe it is. Maybe the Nets think they're helping him by giving Kyrie a blueprint for trying to salvage his reputation, marketability and career.

I disagree with this entirely. I don't think asking a player to do mundane things like attend a sensitivity course, or have a sit down with Jewish Community leaders to simply talk are outrageous asks.

Also, and this isn't directed at you, but I've seen the people who compare this to do list to buck breaking and I'm telling you right now, they are f*cking idiots.

Buck breaking was the act of male slaves being brutally flogged and then raped up the ass.

Comparing that to Kyrie being asked to sit down for a civil discussion with community leaders is outrageous and offensive.

There is a segment of folks out there that think that because Kyrie is Black, that he doesn't need to be held accountable for the things that he says or does. That's garbage, and it's infantilizing a 30 year old man who decided to be pig headed instead of taking a step back and actually listening to the people he hurt.

I'm talking more from a legal/CBA standpoint. Can the Nets really force Kyrie to donate $500k? They can fine him & donate that fine money themselves, but I'm not sure they can legally suspend him without pay until he makes a donation? Similar thinking with the ADL meeting. Can they legally force him to meet with non-team, non-league personnel as a condition of employment? Sensitivity training can be conducted by team or league personnel, so I think that is ok.

I think the Nets can probably John Wall him (send him home to collect his pay check) if he doesn't hit all 6 items, but I don't think the union will let them keep him "suspended."

[MGrand15]

I see absolutely nothing on that list that is objectionable or "emasculating". All i see are reasonable demands in a response to a series of unreasonable actions that hurt not only the team and the league, but also the community at large.

People want to treat Kyrie like a f*cking child and I'm tired of it. If you or I tweeted out that video and someone told our employers, we'd be fired. Racism, antisemitism is damaging to a brand. What Kyrie did was dangerous. End of story.

If he can't sit and talk to the very people he spread hatred against to show that his talk about peace and love isn't BS, he's a coward. In fact, if he was truly contrite he wouldn't have to be forced to do this, he would be offering to meet with Jewish folks in the community and have a dialogue.

"How can i atone for my actions? How do i come to an understanding with the people I've harmed?" If these things aren't on his agenda then he isn't sorry at all.

But I'm with you. I want him gone. His fandom has stained this fanbase. The sooner he takes his fanboy army of little antisemites and antivaxxers with him, the better.

I think it definitely oversteps the bounds of what a team is permitted to do. Some are calling it a modern version of buck breaking. Maybe it is. Maybe the Nets think they're helping him by giving Kyrie a blueprint for trying to salvage his reputation, marketability and career.

I disagree with this entirely. I don't think asking a player to do mundane things like attend a sensitivity course, or have a sit down with Jewish Community leaders to simply talk are outrageous asks.

Also, and this isn't directed at you, but I've seen the people who compare this to do list to buck breaking and I'm telling you right now, they are f*cking idiots.

Buck breaking was the act of male slaves being brutally flogged and then raped up the ass.

Comparing that to Kyrie being asked to sit down for a civil discussion with community leaders is outrageous and offensive.

There is a segment of folks out there that think that because Kyrie is Black, that he doesn't need to be held accountable for the things that he says or does. That's garbage, and it's infantilizing a 30 year old man who decided to be pig headed instead of taking a step back and actually listening to the people he hurt.

Man this is exactly why I made that post. You worded it way better than I could.

You have people on social media calling the Nets slave masters and disgusting stuff like that. The Nets have done nothing but support Kyrie while he's disrespected everyone in the organization and set the team on fire.

[MrDollarBills]

I think it definitely oversteps the bounds of what a team is permitted to do. Some are calling it a modern version of buck breaking. Maybe it is. Maybe the Nets think they're helping him by giving Kyrie a blueprint for trying to salvage his reputation, marketability and career.

I disagree with this entirely. I don't think asking a player to do mundane things like attend a sensitivity course, or have a sit down with Jewish Community leaders to simply talk are outrageous asks.

Also, and this isn't directed at you, but I've seen the people who compare this to do list to buck breaking and I'm telling you right now, they are f*cking idiots.

Buck breaking was the act of male slaves being brutally flogged and then raped up the ass.

Comparing that to Kyrie being asked to sit down for a civil discussion with community leaders is outrageous and offensive.

There is a segment of folks out there that think that because Kyrie is Black, that he doesn't need to be held accountable for the things that he says or does. That's garbage, and it's infantilizing a 30 year old man who decided to be pig headed instead of taking a step back and actually listening to the people he hurt.

I'm talking more from a legal/CBA standpoint. Can the Nets really force Kyrie to donate $500k? They can fine him & donate that fine money themselves, but I'm not sure they can legally suspend him without pay until he makes a donation? Similar thinking with the ADL meeting. Can they legally force him to meet with non-team, non-league personnel as a condition of employment? Sensitivity training can be conducted by team or league personnel, so I think that is ok.

I think the Nets can probably John Wall him (send him home to collect his pay check) if he doesn't hit all 6 items, but I don't think the union will let them keep him "suspended."

Agreed on this part. The $500,000 is probably outside of the realm of the CBA.

If Kyrie is truly contrite, the meeting should be something -he- himself should want to attend. But the Nets can't force him.

[3pt_chucker]

The list of 6 things is hilariously over the top and is so transparent that the Nets and the NBA are trying to get good PR while also putting them in a position to get rid of him.

With some of the negative reactions they are starting to get from the list tho, don't be surprised if they let him come back without completing all 6.

[TheNetsFan]

I disagree with this entirely. I don't think asking a player to do mundane things like attend a sensitivity course, or have a sit down with Jewish Community leaders to simply talk are outrageous asks.

Also, and this isn't directed at you, but I've seen the people who compare this to do list to buck breaking and I'm telling you right now, they are f*cking idiots.

Buck breaking was the act of male slaves being brutally flogged and then raped up the ass.

Comparing that to Kyrie being asked to sit down for a civil discussion with community leaders is outrageous and offensive.

There is a segment of folks out there that think that because Kyrie is Black, that he doesn't need to be held accountable for the things that he says or does. That's garbage, and it's infantilizing a 30 year old man who decided to be pig headed instead of taking a step back and actually listening to the people he hurt.

I'm talking more from a legal/CBA standpoint. Can the Nets really force Kyrie to donate $500k? They can fine him & donate that fine money themselves, but I'm not sure they can legally suspend him without pay until he makes a donation? Similar thinking with the ADL meeting. Can they legally force him to meet with non-team, non-league personnel as a condition of employment? Sensitivity training can be conducted by team or league personnel, so I think that is ok.

I think the Nets can probably John Wall him (send him home to collect his pay check) if he doesn't hit all 6 items, but I don't think the union will let them keep him "suspended."

Agreed on this part. The $500,000 is probably outside of the realm of the CBA.

If Kyrie is truly contrite, the meeting should be something -he- himself should want to attend. But the Nets can't force him.

That's why I threw out there that the Nets might be trying to do him a favor by giving him a roadmap for how to hopefully salvage his reputation. Not that they're trying to break him, but rather giving him quality guidance that he'll never receive from his enablers.

[MrDollarBills]

I think it definitely oversteps the bounds of what a team is permitted to do. Some are calling it a modern version of buck breaking. Maybe it is. Maybe the Nets think they're helping him by giving Kyrie a blueprint for trying to salvage his reputation, marketability and career.

I disagree with this entirely. I don't think asking a player to do mundane things like attend a sensitivity course, or have a sit down with Jewish Community leaders to simply talk are outrageous asks.

Also, and this isn't directed at you, but I've seen the people who compare this to do list to buck breaking and I'm telling you right now, they are f*cking idiots.

Buck breaking was the act of male slaves being brutally flogged and then raped up the ass.

Comparing that to Kyrie being asked to sit down for a civil discussion with community leaders is outrageous and offensive.

There is a segment of folks out there that think that because Kyrie is Black, that he doesn't need to be held accountable for the things that he says or does. That's garbage, and it's infantilizing a 30 year old man who decided to be pig headed instead of taking a step back and actually listening to the people he hurt.

Man this is exactly why I made that post. You worded it way better than I could.

You have people on social media calling the Nets slave masters and disgusting stuff like that. The Nets have done nothing but support Kyrie while he's disrespected everyone in the organization and set the team on fire.

They're calling the Nets slave masters, but want to ignore the fact that Kyrie was wrong.

He was wrong to use his platform to promote antisemitic propaganda.

He was wrong for doubling down and not even taking a second to hear from the people he offended.

I had to pose this to someone I know: If Luka Doncic went on social media, spread a video that was full of antiblackness and denied that the horrors of the transatlantic slave trade and lynching in the early 1900s never happened to Black people, and the NBA cracked down on him/asked him to make amends with the Black community in Dallas, would Mark Cuban be acting like a slave master?

Crickets.

If Luka did anything even remotely close to what Kyrie did, we'd be rightfully calling for his head. I don't see how Kyrie should be absolved from spreading and condoning hatred.

I'm pro Black, I love my people and want the best for everyone, but I refuse to engage in this intellectually dishonest horse sh*t because Kyrie and other Black folks who blindly support him think that they're smarter than everyone else because they watch conspiracy theory videos and agree with him.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm talking more from a legal/CBA standpoint. Can the Nets really force Kyrie to donate $500k? They can fine him & donate that fine money themselves, but I'm not sure they can legally suspend him without pay until he makes a donation? Similar thinking with the ADL meeting. Can they legally force him to meet with non-team, non-league personnel as a condition of employment? Sensitivity training can be conducted by team or league personnel, so I think that is ok.

I think the Nets can probably John Wall him (send him home to collect his pay check) if he doesn't hit all 6 items, but I don't think the union will let them keep him "suspended."

Agreed on this part. The $500,000 is probably outside of the realm of the CBA.

If Kyrie is truly contrite, the meeting should be something -he- himself should want to attend. But the Nets can't force him.

That's why I threw out there that the Nets might be trying to do him a favor by giving him a roadmap for how to hopefully salvage his reputation. Not that they're trying to break him, but rather giving him quality guidance that he'll never receive from his enablers.

Right. As bad as this has been, the Nets have done everything possible to give Kyrie an off ramp to get himself out of this mess. They're trying to prevent him from ruining his career and possibly his life, but he refused.

It's on him now.

[Eatgreenz]

I disagree with this entirely. I don't think asking a player to do mundane things like attend a sensitivity course, or have a sit down with Jewish Community leaders to simply talk are outrageous asks.

Also, and this isn't directed at you, but I've seen the people who compare this to do list to buck breaking and I'm telling you right now, they are f*cking idiots.

Buck breaking was the act of male slaves being brutally flogged and then raped up the ass.

Comparing that to Kyrie being asked to sit down for a civil discussion with community leaders is outrageous and offensive.

There is a segment of folks out there that think that because Kyrie is Black, that he doesn't need to be held accountable for the things that he says or does. That's garbage, and it's infantilizing a 30 year old man who decided to be pig headed instead of taking a step back and actually listening to the people he hurt.

Man this is exactly why I made that post. You worded it way better than I could.

You have people on social media calling the Nets slave masters and disgusting stuff like that. The Nets have done nothing but support Kyrie while he's disrespected everyone in the organization and set the team on fire.

They're calling the Nets slave masters, but want to ignore the fact that Kyrie was wrong.

He was wrong to use his platform to promote antisemitic propaganda.

He was wrong for doubling down and not even taking a second to hear from the people he offended.

I had to pose this to someone I know: If Luka Doncic went on social media, spread a video that was full of antiblackness and denied that the horrors of the transatlantic slave trade and lynching in the early 1900s never happened to Black people, and the NBA cracked down on him/asked him to make amends with the Black community in Dallas, would Mark Cuban be acting like a slave master?

Crickets.

If Luka did anything even remotely close to what Kyrie did, we'd be rightfully calling for his head. I don't see how Kyrie should be absolved from spreading and condoning hatred.

I'm pro Black, I love my people and want the best for everyone, but I refuse to engage in this intellectually dishonest horse sh*t because Kyrie and other Black folks who blindly support him think that they're smarter than everyone else because they watch conspiracy theory videos and agree with him.

But bro that is the issue we have seen people do this and no measures like this have been giving to them like kyrie. Riley Cooper says n word gets an extension. Charles Barkley on TNT said he doesn't even believe slavery is real just something his grandma told him. Now we all know you change the word slavery to the Holocaust Barkley would of been fired that same day. I just want same energy for everything. If its really all bout equality for all. Im not saying kyrie shouldn't of apologized he should of done research on the doc seen all the info it contained. This just all seems like alot for posting a doc on twitter with no caption that he wrote.

[Riconet]

Even if he wins a chip with us he is 100% gone after this season.
Enough is enough.

I agree that he's gone and that enough is enough, but the chip part is from outer space. There is a better chance that Kyrie sprouts wings and flies to the end of the flat earth than there is that this team wins a title, especially with Kyrie in the lineup.

Kyrie doesn't help teams win. He destroys them from within.