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Post#41 » by Maverick41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:57 am

BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man

Yup that's what most of us here keep saying. Stats look good offensively for the year but it's hideous to watch at times. Literally the offense is give it to Luka or Dinwiddie and see what happens. No offensive creativity from the coaches.
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Post#42 » by leolozon » Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:59 am

Mavrelous wrote:Bad Luka game, automatic loss, thank you Nico and Kidd for thinking this team doesn't need another play maker, we were just overreacting, clearly the team is fine without one.


By bad you mean atrocious? I would even say borderline disrespectful to anyone watching this crap thinking it's supposed to be a team's sport. There's absolutely no excuse for shooting 29 times (plus FTs). The 30pt streak has gotten to his head. There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Magic (Nov. 9, 7PM EST) 

Post#43 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 12:59 am

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BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man

Yup that's what most of us here keep saying. Stats look good offensively for the year but it's hideous to watch at times. Literally the offense is give it to Luka or Dinwiddie and see what happens. No offensive creativity from the coaches.


You are right but what can Kidd do?
3/5 of the tonight starting five can't dribble, passing or finish at the rim. It's easy to guard our team when Luka isn't at MVP level. That's It.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Magic (Nov. 9, 7PM EST) 

Post#44 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:00 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Bad Luka game, automatic loss, thank you Nico and Kidd for thinking this team doesn't need another play maker, we were just overreacting, clearly the team is fine without one.


By bad you mean atrocious? I would even say borderline disrespectful to anyone watching this crap thinking it's supposed to be a team's sport. There's absolutely no excuse for shooting 29 times (plus FTs). The 30pt streak has gotten to his head. There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


Thank God that the streak is over.
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Post#45 » by Maverick41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:05 am

41Dirk41 wrote:You are right but what can Kidd do?
3/5 of the tonight starting five can't dribble, passing or finish at the rim. It's easy to guard our team when Luka isn't at MVP level. That's It.

He can start by not playing 3 players that can't dribble at the same time to close games.
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Post#46 » by Archx » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:06 am

BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man


It's more shocking that you couldn't see this coming before you bought the pass :D We were literally pointing out what will happen without Brunson entire time. Mavs offense will be even more predictable than before.

And if Luka has a bad shooting night, then it will look even worse than usually.

Dinwiddie again, good numbers on offense but even worse +/- than Luka. This guy just can't get into positives regarding overal impact. And that's Luka's 2nd guy?.... I simply can't understand why people get upset or shocked when a game like tonight happens :o

leolozon wrote:There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


What would you have done if you were Kidd? Dinwiddie is not a playmaker... he doesn't naturally create for others unless he's forced to give up the ball. Was 9/19, 5 assists and -5.. Not bad, not good. THJ 2/10, Bullock 0/2 and bad defense (like always this year), DFS 3/6, Green 3/6....

So, in your opinion, where is offense going to come from when Wood is not playing? You literally have 2 guys who can do anything with the ball while others stand around and wait :D We could blame Kidd for not coming up with more creativity on offense but Luka usually bails him out by having MVP games, when he's off, then it looks extra horrible.

Still, what can you do with this type of roster???
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Magic (Nov. 9, 7PM EST) 

Post#47 » by BliscoSantos » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:07 am

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BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man

Yup that's what most of us here keep saying. Stats look good offensively for the year but it's hideous to watch at times. Literally the offense is give it to Luka or Dinwiddie and see what happens. No offensive creativity from the coaches.



Kidd's a good defense coach but the Mavs need someone who's an ofense Wizard...they need to figure out a way how to use Wood...they need more ball movement,seting screens off ball, moving without the ball...right now they Just stand and watch Luka drible the clock out
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Magic (Nov. 9, 7PM EST) 

Post#48 » by Mavrelous » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:08 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Bad Luka game, automatic loss, thank you Nico and Kidd for thinking this team doesn't need another play maker, we were just overreacting, clearly the team is fine without one.


By bad you mean atrocious? I would even say borderline disrespectful to anyone watching this crap thinking it's supposed to be a team's sport. There's absolutely no excuse for shooting 29 times (plus FTs). The 30pt streak has gotten to his head. There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


There's a simple explanation, no one on the team is willing to shoot with the slightest contest, except him, SD and THJ, all other have to be completely open to attempt anything, some of the can't even move the ball.
It is what it is, this team is heavily Luka dependent, and he was really bad.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Magic (Nov. 9, 7PM EST) 

Post#49 » by BliscoSantos » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:22 am

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BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man


It's more shocking that you couldn't see this coming before you bought the pass :D We were literally pointing out what will happen without Brunson entire time. Mavs offense will be even more predictable than before.

And if Luka has a bad shooting night, then it will look even worse than usually.

Dinwiddie again, good numbers on offense but even worse +/- than Luka. This guy just can't get into positives regarding overal impact. And that's Luka's 2nd guy?.... I simply can't understand why people get upset or shocked when a game like tonight happens :o

leolozon wrote:There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


What would you have done if you were Kidd? Dinwiddie is not a playmaker... he doesn't naturally create for others unless he's forced to give up the ball. Was 9/19, 5 assists and -5.. Not bad, not good. THJ 2/10, Bullock 0/2 and bad defense (like always this year), DFS 3/6, Green 3/6....

So, in your opinion, where is offense going to come from when Wood is not playing? You literally have 2 guys who can do anything with the ball while others stand around and wait :D We could blame Kidd for not coming up with more creativity on offense but Luka usually bails him out by having MVP games, when he's off, then it looks extra horrible.

Still, what can you do with this type of roster???



Having Brunson wouldn't have changed their ofense...he would Just do the same thing Luka and SD are,they would Just take turns like they did last year...Brunson isn't a good playmaker ,he doesnt make other Players better...i think the front office was blindsided by the fact they got to the WCF last year,they are overrating this team and the players...this team has already peaked last year and without changes( trades ) their ceiling is second round....the moves they made with the exception of Wood are really puzzling(McGee, Dorsey, Campazzo, even the extension od Maxi)
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Post#50 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:24 am

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41Dirk41 wrote:You are right but what can Kidd do?
3/5 of the tonight starting five can't dribble, passing or finish at the rim. It's easy to guard our team when Luka isn't at MVP level. That's It.

He can start by not playing 3 players that can't dribble at the same time to close games.


You are right my friend... Wood missed a lot tonight.
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Post#51 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:27 am

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Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man


It's more shocking that you couldn't see this coming before you bought the pass :D We were literally pointing out what will happen without Brunson entire time. Mavs offense will be even more predictable than before.

And if Luka has a bad shooting night, then it will look even worse than usually.

Dinwiddie again, good numbers on offense but even worse +/- than Luka. This guy just can't get into positives regarding overal impact. And that's Luka's 2nd guy?.... I simply can't understand why people get upset or shocked when a game like tonight happens :o

leolozon wrote:There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


What would you have done if you were Kidd? Dinwiddie is not a playmaker... he doesn't naturally create for others unless he's forced to give up the ball. Was 9/19, 5 assists and -5.. Not bad, not good. THJ 2/10, Bullock 0/2 and bad defense (like always this year), DFS 3/6, Green 3/6....

So, in your opinion, where is offense going to come from when Wood is not playing? You literally have 2 guys who can do anything with the ball while others stand around and wait :D We could blame Kidd for not coming up with more creativity on offense but Luka usually bails him out by having MVP games, when he's off, then it looks extra horrible.

Still, what can you do with this type of roster???



Having Brunson wouldn't have changed their ofense...he would Just do the same thing Luka and SD are,they would Just take turns like they did last year...Brunson isn't a good playmaker ,he doesnt make other Players better...i think the front office was blindsided by the fact they got to the WCF last year,they are overrating this team and the players...this team has already peaked last year and without changes( trades ) their ceiling is second round....the moves they made with the exception of Wood are really puzzling(McGee, Dorsey, Campazzo, even the extension od Maxi)


Agree... But having Brunson means another baller on the court, more points and more W.
But yes, our offense is iso after iso after iso ecc ecc

SD is a 6man. That is his role in a contender team.

We need a very good SG/SF and make works Wood.
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Post#52 » by leolozon » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:29 am

Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man


It's more shocking that you couldn't see this coming before you bought the pass :D We were literally pointing out what will happen without Brunson entire time. Mavs offense will be even more predictable than before.

And if Luka has a bad shooting night, then it will look even worse than usually.

Dinwiddie again, good numbers on offense but even worse +/- than Luka. This guy just can't get into positives regarding overal impact. And that's Luka's 2nd guy?.... I simply can't understand why people get upset or shocked when a game like tonight happens :o

leolozon wrote:There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


What would you have done if you were Kidd? Dinwiddie is not a playmaker... he doesn't naturally create for others unless he's forced to give up the ball. Was 9/19, 5 assists and -5.. Not bad, not good. THJ 2/10, Bullock 0/2 and bad defense (like always this year), DFS 3/6, Green 3/6....

So, in your opinion, where is offense going to come from when Wood is not playing? You literally have 2 guys who can do anything with the ball while others stand around and wait :D We could blame Kidd for not coming up with more creativity on offense but Luka usually bails him out by having MVP games, when he's off, then it looks extra horrible.

Still, what can you do with this type of roster???


I would rather see Bullock take more than 2 shots or anyone for that matter take more shots. Luka wasn't even looking to pass most of the time. I don't want to ever see a point guard shoot 29 times a game.

Also, more pick and rolls and less iso.
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Post#53 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:31 am

Sincerely i don't want see Bullock shoots anything right now. He is ice cold.
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Post#54 » by leolozon » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:31 am

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Mavrelous wrote:Bad Luka game, automatic loss, thank you Nico and Kidd for thinking this team doesn't need another play maker, we were just overreacting, clearly the team is fine without one.


By bad you mean atrocious? I would even say borderline disrespectful to anyone watching this crap thinking it's supposed to be a team's sport. There's absolutely no excuse for shooting 29 times (plus FTs). The 30pt streak has gotten to his head. There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


There's a simple explanation, no one on the team is willing to shoot with the slightest contest, except him, SD and THJ, all other have to be completely open to attempt anything, some of the can't even move the ball.
It is what it is, this team is heavily Luka dependent, and he was really bad.


It was close to the same team in the past two years and it never was as bad as this. So I don't think that it is what it is. He can create looks if he is looking for them. He wasn't looking for them in this game.
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Post#55 » by leolozon » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:33 am

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41Dirk41 wrote:You are right but what can Kidd do?
3/5 of the tonight starting five can't dribble, passing or finish at the rim. It's easy to guard our team when Luka isn't at MVP level. That's It.

He can start by not playing 3 players that can't dribble at the same time to close games.


You are right my friend... Wood missed a lot tonight.


What's the point? Kidd doesn't even know how to use Wood and doesn't seem to like him
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Post#56 » by leolozon » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:35 am

41Dirk41 wrote:Sincerely i don't want see Bullock shoots anything right now. He is ice cold.


He has to become useful again for this team to have any chance. It's not by giving him 2 shots a game that you are going to build him up.
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Post#57 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:39 am

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Maverick41 wrote:He can start by not playing 3 players that can't dribble at the same time to close games.


You are right my friend... Wood missed a lot tonight.


What's the point? Kidd doesn't even know how to use Wood and doesn't seem to like him


Yes it's clear but Wood can scores without any scheme, he can play iso games like Luka and SD.
We need him to play as possible to build up the chemistry with Luka. It's a terrific offensive duo.
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Post#58 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:41 am

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41Dirk41 wrote:Sincerely i don't want see Bullock shoots anything right now. He is ice cold.


He has to become useful again for this team to have any chance. It's not by giving him 2 shots a game that you are going to build him up.


Maybe other teams understand how to guard him, he can only take wide open 3 (low and slow release).
He is always blocked when he attacks the rim. Always.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Magic (Nov. 9, 7PM EST) 

Post#59 » by Archx » Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:41 am

BliscoSantos wrote:
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Archx wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:Luka is bad today...I'm really starting to regret buying the league pass...the ofense is soo predictable...i know the team is limited ,but it's just Luka or Spencer dribling the ball for 20 seconds shooting a stepback 3 or driving into the lane and lay it up or kick it to an open man


It's more shocking that you couldn't see this coming before you bought the pass :D We were literally pointing out what will happen without Brunson entire time. Mavs offense will be even more predictable than before.

And if Luka has a bad shooting night, then it will look even worse than usually.

Dinwiddie again, good numbers on offense but even worse +/- than Luka. This guy just can't get into positives regarding overal impact. And that's Luka's 2nd guy?.... I simply can't understand why people get upset or shocked when a game like tonight happens :o

leolozon wrote:There's no other explanation for the way he kept shooting like that despite being completly off.


What would you have done if you were Kidd? Dinwiddie is not a playmaker... he doesn't naturally create for others unless he's forced to give up the ball. Was 9/19, 5 assists and -5.. Not bad, not good. THJ 2/10, Bullock 0/2 and bad defense (like always this year), DFS 3/6, Green 3/6....

So, in your opinion, where is offense going to come from when Wood is not playing? You literally have 2 guys who can do anything with the ball while others stand around and wait :D We could blame Kidd for not coming up with more creativity on offense but Luka usually bails him out by having MVP games, when he's off, then it looks extra horrible.

Still, what can you do with this type of roster???



Having Brunson wouldn't have changed their ofense...he would Just do the same thing Luka and SD are,they would Just take turns like they did last year...Brunson isn't a good playmaker ,he doesnt make other Players better...i think the front office was blindsided by the fact they got to the WCF last year,they are overrating this team and the players...this team has already peaked last year and without changes( trades ) their ceiling is second round....the moves they made with the exception of Wood are really puzzling(McGee, Dorsey, Campazzo, even the extension od Maxi)



Brunson is a natural and efficient scorer, he was Doncic's 2nd best guy and clearly best player when Luka was out. Plus Brunson can put pressure on defenders just with his dribbles and getting to the rim at will. It would be a huge difference having someone like him on the team.

leolozon wrote:I would rather see Bullock take more than 2 shots or anyone for that matter take more shots. Luka wasn't even looking to pass most of the time. I don't want to ever see a point guard shoot 29 times a game.

Also, more pick and rolls and less iso.


I would rather see Bullock get traded lol... He's shooting 31% for the season, can't dribble, can barely pass, can't defend. Waste of a spot.

THJ had again bad shooting night. Green was decent but still mostly refuses to take shots. This loss is 100% on Luka but still, i rather watch him take most of the shots than pull my hair out watching THJ play 1v5. Missing Wood was huge tonight, he's more important than we can admit right now.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Magic (Nov. 9, 7PM EST) 

Post#60 » by Mavrelous » Thu Nov 10, 2022 2:08 am

leolozon wrote:It was close to the same team in the past two years and it never was as bad as this. So I don't think that it is what it is. He can create looks if he is looking for them. He wasn't looking for them in this game.

It isn't, last offseason we were screaming for another creator guard and wanted Dragic, we got Dinwiddie, and the team went to the WCF.
The team just lost Brunson, when Luka was bad in November last year, Brunson carried the team.
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