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Re: Game 11 Hawks @ Sixers (Insert Witty title here) 

Post#201 » by 76Love » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:19 am

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76Love wrote:If we lose Saturday to this Hawks team at home Morey better do the right thing and fire Doc

Bring in Udoka. We are a more stable franchise than the Nets are so he wouldn't be a problem


I wouldn’t exactly call us a model a stability lol. Hard pass on that guy until I understand the details of his situation.


He did wonders with the Celtics last year. At one point the Celtics were struggling next thing they are destroying the Nets and in the NBA finals. Despite his other issues the man can coach. But with that being said I'd like to see Sam get a chance, but that might just be me being sentential.


I would love to see Cassell get a chance as well but if he doesn't Udoka would be our best bet. Other than those two I don't see any other coach out there that would be worthy of a look
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Post#202 » by Mik317 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:20 am

Biid is like tops in the league at rolling so far IIRC

don't know why this is the hill you are dying on.. He needs to cut out the Giannis attempts but the PNR pick or pop has been fine...if anything we don't run it enough but thats due to Harden being out more than anything

I wish we'd stop taking the ITS THIS ONE PLAYERS FAULT approach to everything tho. Biid has issues and needs to be better and possibly his ego is in the way...for sure whatever...but I keep saying it basketball is a TEAM sport. You mention Malone (who for one was smaller but more athletic than Biid..) but forget the major part of that was also STOCKTON. I love Maxey to death but he aint Stockton passing wise.

its easy to point at the mini comeback and pair it down to see...we went two bigs which ignores the full context. 1. the Hawks stopped trying lol...hard to turn it back on. but more importantly that lineup had a bunch of long switchable WINGS albeit Walmart Brand versions of them instead of Slow Thick Men (pause). That made it hard to beat the initial POA defender, which allowed Harrell or Reed to come late for blocks or charges. With our normal lineup, players walk past most of our defenders sans Melton..and PJ is too slow and small to help when Biid comes up; Tobias is the woat off ball. And if Biid stays back to prevent that, it open season because more than likely the on ball guy died on a screen and is now chasing. Whereas in years past the on ball guy was Pre Space Jam Ben, who made it hard for guys to waltz into the paint and had the length to recover against smaller ballhandlers. BUT also we'd have Cov, JRich, Jimmy, and Thybulle as the other wing and only JJ or Seth to hide on a corner shooter. In our effort to go away from that, we lost a major aspect of what made those defenses work IMO..because Cov shot bricks, Ben didn't shoot at all, Thybulle is only good in doses, Jrich was a ponzi scheme and Jimmy could not be controlled lol. we should have been finding a Cov who can actually make shots (IMO that was Danny), a Ben who wasnt scared of the lights, A JRich who was as advertised, A Jimmy that didn't hurt fee fees. Instead our GM rebuilt is old team but older and worse lol. After our previous decided that spacing was actually bad. Its **** up that BC might have had the right idea in terms of the actual skillsets needed.

but who gives a **** right? The reality is that we really don't have many options anyway....so i'd rip off the band aid but with no picks, Harden potentially either walking or becoming an albatross...can't even do that lol

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Re: Game 11 Hawks @ Sixers (Insert Witty title here) 

Post#203 » by phifans » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:22 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:It pains me to see so many good, athletic players on a horrible team like Charlotte while I’m here watching Shake Milton every night pretending like we are a championship contender.


Morey..

This is what i feared when we got him.

If you think about it, now that almost every team has upgraded in size. We’re running the microball in context of the 2022-2023 season.


Size, athleticism and pace win you games in 2022 and its perfect we have none of them. Good job Mr Morey !!
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Post#204 » by Jay555 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:23 am

HardenGoat wrote:Unfortunately we aren’t going anywhere deep without Maxey playing at his next level. Maybe Harden does unlock his game but that just means he’s reliant on not being his own creator and facilitator. He’s an ideal shooting guard in that sense. I don’t know what the answer is. We need a backup PG. Melton is not really capable of running an offense either consistently.


Maxey's efficiency has gone downhill without Harden. He's a SG who can not facilitate. Doc has everyone playing out of position. A new coach would/should do wonders.
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Post#205 » by sashaturiaf » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:25 am

Why did Embiid sit so long in that stretch to finish the third? That lost you the game.

Was there a reason behind it or was it just a Doc Rivers special.
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Post#206 » by rocketsfan100 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:25 am

Mik317 wrote:Biid is like tops in the league at rolling so far IIRC

don't know why this is the hill you are dying on.. He needs to cut out the Giannis attempts but the PNR pick or pop has been fine...if anything we don't run it enough but thats due to Harden being out more than anything

I wish we'd stop taking the ITS THIS ONE PLAYERS FAULT approach to everything tho. Biid has issues and needs to be better and possibly his ego is in the way...for sure whatever...but I keep saying it basketball is a TEAM sport. You mention Malone (who for one was smaller but more athletic than Biid..) but forget the major part of that was also STOCKTON. I love Maxey to death but he aint Stockton passing wise.

its easy to point at the mini comeback and pair it down to see...we went two bigs which ignores the full context. 1. the Hawks stopped trying lol...hard to turn it back on. but more importantly that lineup had a bunch of long switchable WINGS albeit Walmart Brand versions of them instead of Slow Thick Men (pause). That made it hard to beat the initial POA defender, which allowed Harrell or Reed to come late for blocks or charges. With our normal lineup, players walk past most of our defenders sans Melton..and PJ is too slow and small to help when Biid comes up; Tobias is the woat off ball. And if Biid stays back to prevent that, it open season because more than likely the on ball guy died on a screen and is now chasing. Whereas in years past the on ball guy was Pre Space Jam Ben, who made it hard for guys to waltz into the paint and had the length to recover against smaller ballhandlers. BUT also we'd have Cov, JRich, Jimmy, and Thybulle as the other wing and only JJ or Seth to hide on a corner shooter. In our effort to go away from that, we lost a major aspect of what made those defenses work IMO..because Cov shot bricks, Ben didn't shoot at all, Thybulle is only good in doses, Jrich was a ponzi scheme and Jimmy could not be controlled lol. we should have been finding a Cov who can actually make shots (IMO that was Danny), a Ben who wasnt scared of the lights, A JRich who was as advertised, A Jimmy that didn't hurt fee fees. Instead our GM rebuilt is old team but older and worse lol. After our previous decided that spacing was actually bad. Its **** up that BC might have had the right idea in terms of the actual skillsets needed.

but who gives a **** right? The reality is that we really don't have many options anyway....so i'd rip off the band aid but with no picks, Harden potentially either walking or becoming an albatross...can't even do that lol

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If pompey is right that Embiid dosent like harden/enjoy playing with him I think harden most likely will walk.
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Post#207 » by HardenGoat » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:29 am

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HardenGoat wrote:Unfortunately we aren’t going anywhere deep without Maxey playing at his next level. Maybe Harden does unlock his game but that just means he’s reliant on not being his own creator and facilitator. He’s an ideal shooting guard in that sense. I don’t know what the answer is. We need a backup PG. Melton is not really capable of running an offense either consistently.


Maxey's efficiency has gone downhill without Harden. He's a SG who can not facilitate. Doc has everyone playing out of position. A new coach would/should do wonders.

I agree with the coach being a problem. That might be it. A good coach should bring out more in every player and know their strengths as a unit.
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Post#208 » by Murray_17 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:29 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:If pompey is right that Embiid dosent like harden/enjoy playing with him I think harden most likely will walk.



This is a monumental IF
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Post#209 » by HardenGoat » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:31 am

sashaturiaf wrote:Why did Embiid sit so long in that stretch to finish the third? That lost you the game.

Was there a reason behind it or was it just a Doc Rivers special.

Foul trouble was one reason
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Post#210 » by Mik317 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:31 am

....that Pompey article was written by Doc basically lol
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Post#211 » by HardenGoat » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:35 am

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rocketsfan100 wrote:If pompey is right that Embiid dosent like harden/enjoy playing with him I think harden most likely will walk.



This is a monumental IF

He’s going to get plenty of games to play without him. Are we thinking he wants Beal?
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Post#212 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:37 am

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76ciology wrote:Now watch how Harrell steps up on 2 man game and Reed rotating to the paint. Or opposite



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Post#213 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:40 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:It pains me to see so many good, athletic players on a horrible team like Charlotte while I’m here watching Shake Milton every night pretending like we are a championship contender.


Morey..

This is what i feared when we got him.

If you think about it, now that almost every team has upgraded in size. We’re running the microball in context of the 2022-2023 season.


Size, athleticism and pace win you games in 2022 and its perfect we have none of them. Good job Mr Morey !!


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Post#214 » by Skates » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:43 am

Pompey is as old and tired as Rivers and has never been more than modestly mediocre as a beat writer

The team very badly needs another point guard. I never liked the Maxey as backup PG and starting SG. Another point guard to pair with Melton, plus Harden and Maxey would complete this team. Too many catch and shoot threats on this team being underutilized with only one true point guard on the team.
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Post#215 » by Murray_17 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:46 am

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That's not a rotation to the paint, Reed is in the paint the entire play, he's expecting a pass to the corner or covering the paint yeah, but he's doing it from the paint.
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Post#216 » by Murray_17 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:47 am

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rocketsfan100 wrote:If pompey is right that Embiid dosent like harden/enjoy playing with him I think harden most likely will walk.



This is a monumental IF

He’s going to get plenty of games to play without him. Are we thinking he wants Beal?



Nahh, my point is, by rule you don't hear what Pompey says.
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Post#217 » by Negrodamus » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:48 am

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Yes. Because you have small 3-4 and Embiid has been a liability on defense when you funnel the defense to him.

The guards also has to play with a big who ROLLS to the basket or else you’re basically just setting up ISO opportunities for Embiid at the Elbow


We need an Al Horford or something.


Yes. If you can remember the Al-Biid high low play was money. It was even used as our go to action down the stretch. We were even able to best the Bucks at december. The problem there was the guard play.

If we had Maxey and even just this version of Harden, instead of Ben-Jrich, we could make it deep that season.

Right now, Biid is more like Al on defense. While our team likes to think Biid is like Robert Williams.


That’s a favorable memory of that experiment. I remember us having absolutely no clue what to do in the half court offense since we lacked anything that resembled a point guard on that team (unless you count Fultz (I don’t)).
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Post#218 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:52 am

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76ciology wrote:

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That's not a rotation to the paint, Reed is in the paint the entire play, he's expecting a pass to the corner or covering the paint yeah, but he's doing it from the paint.


Lol whatever. But its ok and thats just my point. Trez can step out then Reed can protect the paint
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Post#219 » by Kobblehead » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:00 am

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We need an Al Horford or something.


Yes. If you can remember the Al-Biid high low play was money. It was even used as our go to action down the stretch. We were even able to best the Bucks at december. The problem there was the guard play.

If we had Maxey and even just this version of Harden, instead of Ben-Jrich, we could make it deep that season.

Right now, Biid is more like Al on defense. While our team likes to think Biid is like Robert Williams.


That’s a favorable memory of that experiment. I remember us having absolutely no clue what to do in the half court offense since we lacked anything that resembled a point guard on that team (unless you count Fultz (I don’t)).

So now that we have better shooting/passing from the Gs, let's run it back but with Karl-Anthony Towns this time.
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Re: Game 11 Hawks @ Sixers (Insert Witty title here) 

Post#220 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:00 am

76ciology wrote:
Murray_17 wrote:
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That's not a rotation to the paint, Reed is in the paint the entire play, he's expecting a pass to the corner or covering the paint yeah, but he's doing it from the paint.


Lol whatever. But its ok and thats just my point. Trez can step out then Reed can protect the paint


Other possessions.

Reed trap. Harrell steps in to draw charge.
Harrell traps, then steal.

I’ll post more clips later
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