Packers News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - 2023 Off Season

[MoMM]

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He's been poop, but so has Savage this season.

What about Savage and Amos grades in the past seasons?

[CWoodfan]

I really thought Abrams was the next Bob Sanders.

Feels like safety is a hard position to predict how guys will transition to the pros. I don't have any data but seems like they have a higher than normal bust rate.

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There is a safety playing very well for the 7-1 Vikings who was there for the taking by GB in the 2012 draft in Harrison Smith.

This was the draft after Nick Collins was forced to retire (in 2011) due to injury. The need at safety was obvious and apparent.

Ted Thompson took Nick Perry one pick before Minnesota selected Smith. Last anyone heard from Nick was in 2017 when he was stealing $ from the Packers.

The Packers have taken two safeties in round 1 since then in HaHa Clinton-Dix and Darnell Savage. Those picks are obvious misses.

The decision by Ted to take Perry over Smith has turned out to be nearly as egregious as his decision to take the "retired after 5 meh seasons" Kevin King over TJ Watt.

Someone at some point will do a complete recap of all the 1st and 2nd round picks this franchise has wasted over the past decade on **** defensive players when better alternatives were there for the selecting.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I really thought Abrams was the next Bob Sanders.

Feels like safety is a hard position to predict how guys will transition to the pros. I don't have any data but seems like they have a higher than normal bust rate.

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There is a safety playing very well for the 7-1 Vikings who was there for the taking by GB in the 2012 draft in Harrison Smith.

This was the draft after Nick Collins was forced to retire (in 2011) due to injury. The need at safety was obvious and apparent.

Ted Thompson took Nick Perry one pick before Minnesota selected Smith. Last anyone heard from Nick was in 2017 when he was stealing $ from the Packers.

The Packers have taken two safeties in round 1 since then in HaHa Clinton-Dix and Darnell Savage. Those picks are obvious misses.

The decision by Ted to take Perry over Smith has turned out to be nearly as egregious as his decision to take the "retired after 5 meh seasons" Kevin King over TJ Watt.

Someone at some point will do a complete recap of all the 1st and 2nd round picks this franchise has wasted over the past decade on **** defensive players when better alternatives were there for the selecting.

Sure in hindsight give me Smith. But I feel like you could do this exercise with every 1st rounder for every team for the past decade and 90% of the time you'll find a better player picked somewhere after that guy.

Perry is interesting because grading on a curve he's probably not even a bust, he at least was a solid starter for a few years.

Plus hard for me to kill that pick too much because I would always value an edge rusher over a S when deciding on a high pick. In fact CB and Edge are really the only defensive positions I really view as worthy of high picks. And I'm beginning to think the Packers shouldn't draft any defensive players high.

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[ReasonablySober]

I will dance in the street if the Packers take WIll Anderson.

[MickeyDavis]

Ah yes the old should have taken someone else 10 years ago.

I feel like you could do this exercise with every 1st rounder for every team for the past decade and 90% of the time you'll find a better player picked somewhere after that guy.

With my perfect 20/20 hindsight anyone can do this ad nauseam

[MickeyDavis]

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[Treebeard]

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Interesting article.

With the way things have gone south this season in GB, it won't surprise me at all if Mac gets a hearty mix of cheers as well as the expected boos on being introduced.

[Treebeard]

Friday's Injury Report From Packers.com:
https://www.packers.com/news/packers-cowboys-injury-report-week-10-nov-11-2022

Packers list two questionable to play vs. Cowboys | Week 10 Injury Report
Green Bay rules out four for Sunday; LB Krys Barnes doubtful
Nov 11, 2022 at 03:00 PM
Wes Hodkiewicz

GREEN BAY – The Packers have listed receiver Amari Rodgers (hamstring) and tackle David Bakhtiari (knee) as questionable for Sunday's game against the Dallas Cowboys.

Green Bay also ruled out linebackers De'Vondre Campbell (knee), receiver Romeo Doubs (ankle), and cornerbacks Eric Stokes (ankle/knee) and Shemar Jean-Charles (ankle).

Linebacker Krys Barnes (concussion) is doubtful after not practicing this week.

Amari Rodgers was added to the injury report as a limited participant on Friday. Bakhtiari practiced on both Thursday and Friday in a limited capacity.

Head Coach Matt LaFleur said before Friday's practice the team hasn't made a final decision on Stokes yet, but it appears "unlikely" the second-year cornerback plays again this season after being injured last Sunday in Detroit.

The following Packers players didn't receive a game status and are expected to be available: quarterback Aaron Rodgers (right thumb), running back Aaron Jones (ankle), receivers Allen Lazard (shoulder) and Sammy Watkins (knee), guards Elgton Jenkins (knee) and Jon Runyan (knee), linebacker Preston Smith (neck), kicker Mason Crosby (back), cornerback Rasul Douglas (calf), defensive lineman Devonte Wyatt (personal), and tight end Marcedes Lewis (veteran rest).

The Cowboys ruled out linebacker Anthony Barr (hamstring) and listed running back Ezekiel Elliott (knee) as questionable.

Dallas didn't offer a game status for the following players who are expected to be available: receiver Noah Brown (foot), defensive end Dorance Armstrong (shoulder), receiver Michael Gallup (chest), safety Malik Hooker (hamstring), linebacker Micah Parsons (shoulder), tight end Dalton Schultz (knee), receiver KaVontae Turpin (chest), defensive end Sam Williams (knee), tight end Jake Ferguson (illness), and safety Donovan Wilson (tooth).

[MickeyDavis]

Rodgers was drafted in 2005. Raiders picked ahead of us, they chose to stick with 33 year old Kerry Collins and drafted Fabian Washington. Vikings decided they preferred 37 year old Brad Johnson to Rodgers and drafted Badger Erasmus James instead. Saints chose to go with former Packer Aaron Brooks and drafted Jamaal Brown instead. And so on and so on. As Week said above it's easy to go back in time and point out draft mistakes. For every team.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Rodgers was drafted in 2005. Raiders picked ahead of us, they chose to stick with 33 year old Kerry Collins and drafted Fabian Washington. Vikings decided they preferred 37 year old Brad Johnson to Rodgers and drafted Badger Erasmus James instead. Saints chose to go with former Packer Aaron Brooks and drafted Jamaal Brown instead. And so on and so on. As Week said above it's easy to go back in time and point out draft mistakes. For every team.

Not going to lie I thought Erasmus James was going to be the next Reggie White and I was pissed the Vikings got him

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[CWoodfan]

Feels like safety is a hard position to predict how guys will transition to the pros. I don't have any data but seems like they have a higher than normal bust rate.

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There is a safety playing very well for the 7-1 Vikings who was there for the taking by GB in the 2012 draft in Harrison Smith.

This was the draft after Nick Collins was forced to retire (in 2011) due to injury. The need at safety was obvious and apparent.

Ted Thompson took Nick Perry one pick before Minnesota selected Smith. Last anyone heard from Nick was in 2017 when he was stealing $ from the Packers.

The Packers have taken two safeties in round 1 since then in HaHa Clinton-Dix and Darnell Savage. Those picks are obvious misses.

The decision by Ted to take Perry over Smith has turned out to be nearly as egregious as his decision to take the "retired after 5 meh seasons" Kevin King over TJ Watt.

Someone at some point will do a complete recap of all the 1st and 2nd round picks this franchise has wasted over the past decade on **** defensive players when better alternatives were there for the selecting.

Sure in hindsight give me Smith. But I feel like you could do this exercise with every 1st rounder for every team for the past decade and 90% of the time you'll find a better player picked somewhere after that guy.

Perry is interesting because grading on a curve he's probably not even a bust, he at least was a solid starter for a few years.

Plus hard for me to kill that pick too much because I would always value an edge rusher over a S when deciding on a high pick. In fact CB and Edge are really the only defensive positions I really view as worthy of high picks. And I'm beginning to think the Packers shouldn't draft any defensive players high.

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[CWoodfan]

Feels like safety is a hard position to predict how guys will transition to the pros. I don't have any data but seems like they have a higher than normal bust rate.

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There is a safety playing very well for the 7-1 Vikings who was there for the taking by GB in the 2012 draft in Harrison Smith.

This was the draft after Nick Collins was forced to retire (in 2011) due to injury. The need at safety was obvious and apparent.

Ted Thompson took Nick Perry one pick before Minnesota selected Smith. Last anyone heard from Nick was in 2017 when he was stealing $ from the Packers.

The Packers have taken two safeties in round 1 since then in HaHa Clinton-Dix and Darnell Savage. Those picks are obvious misses.

The decision by Ted to take Perry over Smith has turned out to be nearly as egregious as his decision to take the "retired after 5 meh seasons" Kevin King over TJ Watt.

Someone at some point will do a complete recap of all the 1st and 2nd round picks this franchise has wasted over the past decade on **** defensive players when better alternatives were there for the selecting.

Perry is interesting because grading on a curve he's probably not even a bust, he at least was a solid starter for a few years.

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7 seasons in GB, Nick Perry finished with 2,4,3.5, 7, and 1.5 sacks in 6 of those seasons.

You can get that sort of production out a journeyman.

Perry did get 11.5 sacks in a contract year and Ted rewarded him with a huge, new, awful deal because no team is more loyal to its own draft picks than the GB Packers.

Looking back in hindsight, only a Packer homer would consider Nick Perry to be anything other than a colossal and expensive bust as a 1st round pick.

There really is almost no limit to which homer Packer fans will go to defend the team's abysmal track record when it comes to drafting defense in rounds 1-2 over the past 10 plus years.

Can't wait to hear how Damarious Randall was a solid pick because hey he lasted 6 years in the league.

[jakecronus8]

Just think. If the Packers would've just dumped Favre and picked Tom Brady in the 5th round. How many super bowls do we have? Poverty franchise.

[skones]

McCarthy became stubborn and lacked innovation at the end, but he doesn't deserve boos at all. Guy had 8 10 or more win seasons and a Super Bowl. Didn't deserve the vitriol many of us shot towards him during the end of his tenure here either.

[ReasonablySober]

I can't imagine he'll get anything but a warm reception on Sunday.

[th87]

Rodgers was drafted in 2005. Raiders picked ahead of us, they chose to stick with 33 year old Kerry Collins and drafted Fabian Washington. Vikings decided they preferred 37 year old Brad Johnson to Rodgers and drafted Badger Erasmus James instead. Saints chose to go with former Packer Aaron Brooks and drafted Jamaal Brown instead. And so on and so on. As Week said above it's easy to go back in time and point out draft mistakes. For every team.

1. Those players TT missed were obvious picks/needs even at the time. But for some reason, there was this mantra of not drafting for need, which seemed to border on actually *avoiding* drafting for need for some reason. Almost like they had to think outside the box and couldn't do the obvious option staring them in the face (especially with Watt).

2. TT is supposed to be better than the Raiders and Vikings FOs right? But it sounds like you're arguing that drafts are random, and the same GM that can draft Rodgers can also miss on Smith and Perry and many others. So why do we have any reverence to any GM whatsoever? If TT passed on Rodgers, someone would've drafted him, and then they'd be considered the genius.

And so on this, I agree. TT was an average drafter, just like everyone else. Gute is average, Spielman is average, Wolf was average, Polian was average, Policy was average, Newsome was average, and so on. If their draft picks worked, they were hailed as a genius. If they didn't, they were fired. Just like hedge fund managers.

Where anyone might differ as GM is philosophy. TT's ultimate flaws were not drafting for need, overvaluing his picks, and an avoidance of FAcy. Nailing the Rodgers pick bought him a decade of employment.

[Mags FTW]

Gute strikes me as a guy that wants to show everyone how smart he is by being contrarian instead of making the obvious move that everyone is calling for.

Edit: It should be known I wrote this before Amari fumbled, a guy who wouldn't even be on this team if Gute was willing to admit he whiffed hard on him.

[Ayt]

Gute strikes me as a guy that wants to show everyone how smart he is by being contrarian instead of making the obvious move that everyone is calling for.

Edit: It should be known I wrote this before Amari fumbled, a guy who wouldn't even be on this team if Gute was willing to admit he whiffed hard on him.

What does that even mean? Do you want a GM that picks players based on an ESPN board?

[Mags FTW]

Gute strikes me as a guy that wants to show everyone how smart he is by being contrarian instead of making the obvious move that everyone is calling for.

Edit: It should be known I wrote this before Amari fumbled, a guy who wouldn't even be on this team if Gute was willing to admit he whiffed hard on him.

What does that even mean? Do you want a GM that picks players based on an ESPN board?

It means when the world is screaming, "Why is Amari Rodgers still on the roster?" he is not only still on the roster, he is fielding punts and producing costly turnovers.

JuJu went to KC on a 1-year $3 mil deal. They got Toney for a comp 3rd, and will have him on his rookie deal for at least another year. When the world is screaming, "Get receiver help!" those are simple moves you can make.

[ReasonablySober]

I'll never fault the team for not adding Toney.