2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

The-Power · Post #481 » by **The-Power** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:37 am

Impuniti wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:I'd be surprised if Giannis played much more than 60 games this season tbh.

Why not? He's 27 years old, he has no reason to load manage more than 10-12 games a season.

If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

JN61 · Post #482 » by **JN61** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:53 am

The-Power wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:I'd be surprised if Giannis played much more than 60 games this season tbh.

Why not? He's 27 years old, he has no reason to load manage more than 10-12 games a season.

If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

Are LeBron fans this insecure? Of course he should play over 75 games to get than MVP and eventually pass LeBron.

JN61 · Post #483 » by **JN61** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:56 am

moderndarwin wrote:Say wtv you want but it’s Steph.

Let's see... Is it a player putting up good numbers on 40% winning team or 80% winning team. Sorry I take guy with near flawless record.

JN61 · Post #484 » by **JN61** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:57 am

steefP2 wrote:Yeah it might be Steph lol. Tatum and giannis (and Luka) not that far behind though but curry is putting up 2016 stats. It’s gonna be a marathon; who can sustain the longest which is probably giannis but he might just play a lot less so hard to tell.

In a losing team.

TroyD92 · Post #485 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:09 pm

JN61 wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Impuniti wrote:Why not? He's 27 years old, he has no reason to load manage more than 10-12 games a season.

If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

Are LeBron fans this insecure? Of course he should play over 75 games to get than MVP and eventually pass LeBron.

Its been brought up but Giannis has some chronic knee issues and played pretty much the entire summer with Greece. In the Atlanta game he looked noticeably hobbled.

CharityStripe34 · Post #486 » by **CharityStripe34** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 12:32 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
JN61 wrote:
The-Power wrote:If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

Are LeBron fans this insecure? Of course he should play over 75 games to get than MVP and eventually pass LeBron.

Its been brought up but Giannis has some chronic knee issues and played pretty much the entire summer with Greece. In the Atlanta game he looked noticeably hobbled.

Had Jrue not dinged his ankle, I bet they both play against the Spurs last night. But they probably figured since next week's schedule (Hawks, Cavs, Sixers all on the road) is looking tough may as well rest the main guys and keep them fresh for that road stretch. After that it's hosting the Blazers, Bulls and Cavs. Six tougher games in a 10-day stretch.

Alonzo_Morning · Post #487 » by **Alonzo_Morning** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:26 pm

I think there's a clear top 4

Giannis
Luka
Curry
Tatum

Is LeBron with them? When healthy I think so

Donovan Mitchell I would have 6th

Impuniti · Post #488 » by **Impuniti** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:39 pm

The-Power wrote:
Impuniti wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:I'd be surprised if Giannis played much more than 60 games this season tbh.

Why not? He's 27 years old, he has no reason to load manage more than 10-12 games a season.

If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

Because that sounds incredibly dumb and doesn't actually make sense. Why would a 27 year old be ok playing 3/4 of a season? :crazy:

Are you running the Kawhi Leonard fanclub by any chance? :lol:

Impuniti · Post #489 » by **Impuniti** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:45 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
JN61 wrote:
The-Power wrote:If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

Are LeBron fans this insecure? Of course he should play over 75 games to get than MVP and eventually pass LeBron.

Its been brought up but Giannis has some chronic knee issues and played pretty much the entire summer with Greece. In the Atlanta game he looked noticeably hobbled.

As it's not going away? :banghead:

I never heard about this.

TroyD92 · Post #490 » by **TroyD92** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:50 pm

Impuniti wrote:
TroyD92 wrote:
JN61 wrote:Are LeBron fans this insecure? Of course he should play over 75 games to get than MVP and eventually pass LeBron.

Its been brought up but Giannis has some chronic knee issues and played pretty much the entire summer with Greece. In the Atlanta game he looked noticeably hobbled.

As it's not going away? I never heard about this.

I believe he's had it since he was 16 or so. I think there was a greek article that talked about it (but am not greek) haha.

The-Power · Post #491 » by **The-Power** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:03 pm

Impuniti wrote:
The-Power wrote:
Impuniti wrote:Why not? He's 27 years old, he has no reason to load manage more than 10-12 games a season.

If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

Because that sounds incredibly dumb and doesn't actually make sense. Why would a 27 year old be ok playing 3/4 of a season?

Are you running the Kawhi Leonard fanclub by any chance?

Again. If he stays in rhythm and the Bucks are at the top, why shouldn't he be okay? It's the smart thing to do. Without injuries it's probably better to play 65-70 games to stay in rhythm but injuries do happen and I'm also not an NBA team's performance coach / medical staff member. That has nothing to do with Kawhi either. Completely different scenarios.

JN61 · Post #492 » by **JN61** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:10 pm

TroyD92 wrote:
JN61 wrote:
The-Power wrote:If they don't need him more than 60 games to secure a top seat, why shouldn't he load manage a lot? As long as he stays in rhythm and is ramping up for the playoffs properly, rest days are good for him.

Are LeBron fans this insecure? Of course he should play over 75 games to get than MVP and eventually pass LeBron.

Its been brought up but Giannis has some chronic knee issues and played pretty much the entire summer with Greece. In the Atlanta game he looked noticeably hobbled.

Eh. Everyone gets more or less joint issues for playing on hardwood. Just play on till the wheels fall off then retire. Way better strategy than waste your prime years in a manner of Leonard just to be able to put up 1-2 points more when you are 38.

Exp0sed · Post #493 » by **Exp0sed** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:15 pm

For me it's Curry rn
Giannis was in the lead but missing ganes and the Bucks rollin' without him

Obiously if the season ended today his team's winning % w would have ruled him out but i'm assuning the Dubs work out their early season troubles and be at least a 4th seed

Hard for the Dubs to load manage him as well, when they're struggling overall so he might get to like 70 games if he stays healthy

The Dubs would be winless ir maybe with a win or two without him this season

It's unlikely that he can continue this level of play all thru a long season but if he somehow does - he'll be the front runner imo and one of the other obvious candidates needs to deliever a heck of a season to dethrone him, especially if Dallas continues to struggle record wise and Giannis will play 60-ish games

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Post #494 » by **bisme37** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:23 pm

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greekbuck34 · Post #495 » by **greekbuck34** » Sat Nov 12, 2022 6:30 pm

Giannis missed 3 games.
Mitchell started losing.
Siakam injured.
Luka is struggling.
Curry lost 5 in a row before two tough wins at home.

For me the only one who has risen to top 3 with Giannis and Luka is Tatum.

If Giannis was healthy and had destroyed the OKC and the Spurs games he missed he would have a big lead right now.

BoatsNZones · Post #496 » by **BoatsNZones** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:52 am

Curry has been the best player; he's even significantly outproducing his own play from last year where he was the runaway MVP favorite through the first couple straw polls past Christmas. He's simply reliant on their bench in not blowing the amount of leads they have to get their record back into contention in the future. As is they have been the worst in NBA history (his >+28 NET on/off rating per game is just LOL), so I would imagine that won't continue.

Checking out Curry vs Luka's 4th quarter stats and they're pretty astounding:

Curry: 10/1.7/1.5 in 7.5 mpg (48/8/7 per 36 minutes) on 55/47/87 (+25)

Luka: 4.5/1.4/0.9 in 6.6 mpg (25/8/5 per 36 minutes) on 36/16/67 (-39)

A handful of valid MVP numbers through the first month of the season, though.
It will take until mid January to see what is actually beginning to shake out as far as a top 5 goes. A ton can/will change from now to then.

PhilBlackson · Post #497 » by **PhilBlackson** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:24 am

Looks like it will be a 3 horse race...

Giannis - Steph - Luka (what a battle, honestly)

Personally I'd like to see Steph win one more just as kind of a nice cherry on top to be possibly very near ending the Warriors' Era of bball & even though some people somehow have KD above him in all-time rankings. Better yet I think a lot (if not most) have him outside the top 10...he does this I think that just puts that to bed & considering how great Steph has been I feel like he's just earned that right.

I can still see Giannis or Luka competing for the honours the next 3-4+ years after and you know at the rate Luka's going, it's not if, it's when & how many times so I wouldn't feel too bad if he's denied. But I just think if the Bucks keep up this pace, you simply CAN'T deny Giannis. The Bucks end up with the best record in the East and/or league, then give the man his antler crown back (not that he actually lost it to anyone, only in name) but right now is just clearly Giannis' time.

Obviously each guy has to remain healthy but THIS season could be one of THE best MVP competitions EVER imo because you basically have the not too distant, if even at all past (Steph) vs what most people consider the present (Giannis) vs who people think either got next or now, it's hard to tell lol (Luka). No disrespect to Tatum (he's going to be knocking right at the door too), Embiid (still can dominate), Joker (still right there but Giannis is that dude of this era & MVP many times is narrative driven, don't see it being on his side), while possibly being unfair, I think MEM will have to finish 1st in the West for Ja to take this away from the 3 names I think are the favorites. Booker won't get serious consideration until he shows up & balls tfo in the Playoffs, what Luka did TO him last year can't happen if you're THAT guy, you have to answer & Luka blew him....and CP3 into oblivion, but hey that's the scapegoat over there's fault, DeAndre Ayton's how could you?! You're supposed to be the guy in PHX, oh wait.

SeanieWard · Post #498 » by **SeanieWard** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:34 am

Luka for me but if Warriors were winning more it'll be Steph. Giannis and Jokic are right there as usual

California Gold · Post #499 » by **California Gold** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:44 am

Post #500 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:44 am

reading this thread I see you are only allowed to cite a player on your favorite team. But while Dwight Powell is a worthy candidate after a slow start, I have Giannis and Tatum the two clear early frontrunners.

It's early but who is your current NBA MVP?