Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[minimus]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269294/Anthony-Davis-Might-Be-Available-Via-Trade

AD+Westbrook for dlo, Gobert and Prince

OMG dude

Yeah, this guy has an awful trade for every situation

[moss_is_1]

I found a perfect player to make this roster work. It is Josh Hart. He is an elite rebounder for a guard, solid passer, defender. Can play secondary ballhandler. This year Portland looks great with him.

Would love Hart. Was someone I wanted us to try and get for awhile, doesn't seem possible anymore.

Is Eric Bledsoe totally cooked? What about Kris Dunn, too bad offensively?

[TwolvesFanRome]

I found a perfect player to make this roster work. It is Josh Hart. He is an elite rebounder for a guard, solid passer, defender. Can play secondary ballhandler. This year Portland looks great with him.

Would love Hart. Was someone I wanted us to try and get for awhile, doesn't seem possible anymore.

Is Eric Bledsoe totally cooked? What about Kris Dunn, too bad offensively?

Please no: He reminds me the tragic Draft of 2016...

[Wolves21]

I am in the camp and have been for a few years to trade Towns.Ideally it would be for Ingram from the Pelicans or Brown from the Celtics but doubt either will be moved or if either team has interest.

I think and interesting trade partner could be the Magic a deal something along the lines of KAT for Anthony,Suggs,Ross,Isaac and a 1st.This gives us a PG of the future with Anthony to pair with ANT,a possible 6th man and hometown boy back in Suggs,Cap relief with Ross coming off the books and then Isaac a young talented but always injured big.

While the Magic get a all-star caliber player in his prime to pair up with Banchero & Wagner to give them a young big three that would be a playoff team and possibly a top 4 team in the east.The duo of Banchero & Towns could be deadly.

[Devilzsidewalk]

I am in the camp and have been for a few years to trade Towns.Ideally it would be for Ingram from the Pelicans or Brown from the Celtics but doubt either will be moved or if either team has interest.

I think and interesting trade partner could be the Magic a deal something along the lines of KAT for Anthony,Suggs,Ross,Isaac and a 1st.This gives us a PG of the future with Anthony to pair with ANT,a possible 6th man and hometown boy back in Suggs,Cap relief with Ross coming off the books and then Isaac a young talented but always injured big.

While the Magic get a all-star caliber player in his prime to pair up with Banchero & Wagner to give them a young big three that would be a playoff team and possibly a top 4 team in the east.The duo of Banchero & Towns could be deadly.

I don't know what the right trade is, but I would say that for a 27 year old supermax player, this is not a very inspiring ROI. Very little defensive impact or leadership, hit or miss understanding of the game, and the worst player/ref chemistry since 'Sheed Wallace. There's a lot of holes there. There's never really been an extended period of time of confidence in him. He'll have a nice streak, then inevitably infuriate the **** out of people at some point.

[younggunsmn]

Evan Fournier just got benched for Quentin Grimes in NYK.

How about Russell and Forbes for Rose and Fournier?
Fournier is under contract for 19 mil next year, team option in 24.
Rose has a 15.5 team option next year.

Who says no or do we ask for more incentive for the extra money on next years cap?

Fournier is a career 38% 3pt shooter and Rose shot 40% from deep last year.

Very interesting..

This is one of the more realistic options out there. Don't forget about the French connection with Fournier and Gobert that could help the on-court transition. And if Rosas has sway, the Knicks may be a rare team to target Russell for more than his expiring.

I had not thought about the french connection, that makes it even more interesting.
Rose is just such an awesome glue player, the complete opposite of Russell, would be a tremendous influence on Ant having been an MVP and gone through so much adversity.

I don't know how much influence Rosas has after his spectacular fail running the Donovan Mitchell negotiations, but if it helps us get rid of D-Lo I'm all for it.

[younggunsmn]

Charlotte is 3-10. Hayward for D-Lo straight up to be their tank commander.

[minimus]

Charlotte is 3-10. Hayward for D-Lo straight up to be their tank commander.

Yes, please! The only trade I'd make, not because Hayward is better than DLo, but it would give us some depth on the wings, veteran presence.

Something like DLo, Knight for Hayward, Dennis Smith Jr.

Gobert/Towns/Reid
Towns/ KA/Prince
MCD/Prince/Hayward
Edwards/Hayward/Nowell
Nowell/Smith/JMac

[shrink]

Charlotte is 3-10. Hayward for D-Lo straight up to be their tank commander.

Yes, please! The only trade I'd make, not because Hayward is better than DLo, but it would give us some depth on the wings, veteran presence.

Something like DLo, Knight for Hayward, Dennis Smith Jr.

Gobert/Towns/Reid
Towns/ KA/Prince
MCD/Prince/Hayward
Edwards/Hayward/Nowell
Nowell/Smith/JMac

Hayward isn’t a 2, and Nowell isn’t a starting PG (7 turnovers last game)

While we worried about the fit between KAT and Gobert, the problem has been the guards. I was looking at Win Shares yesterday and was shocked at how clear it has been. Here’s the order

Towns
Gobert
McDaniels
Anderson
Prince
Naz
……
MacLaughlin

Even with the bigs fighting each other for minutes, they are still putting up better win shares than any of the guards.

I don’t mind taking a risk on Haywards’s (32) health since we really want to win now, but he’s $31.5 mil next year, and he has missed 30 or more games, four of the past five seasons. But we need more compensation if the outgoing is DLO’s expiring. Maybe Rozier, if we can match salaries - a proposal that’s been on the trade board. But the focus should be on finding an unselfish point guard that can defend, will push the pace. If they can run pick and roll, or make open three’s, we should pay more.

[shrink]

Evan Fournier just got benched for Quentin Grimes in NYK.

How about Russell and Forbes for Rose and Fournier?
Fournier is under contract for 19 mil next year, team option in 24.
Rose has a 15.5 team option next year.

Who says no or do we ask for more incentive for the extra money on next years cap?

Fournier is a career 38% 3pt shooter and Rose shot 40% from deep last year.

Very interesting..

This is one of the more realistic options out there. Don't forget about the French connection with Fournier and Gobert that could help the on-court transition. And if Rosas has sway, the Knicks may be a rare team to target Russell for more than his expiring.

Yeah, this could have some legs. And DLo was popular in New York when he was an All Star for the Nets.

The problem with Rose though is that he is old and likely to break down as the season progresses. But I think we need help now, and we may get better playmaking from other positions later in the season, as guys adapt more to Gobert. I also think Rose might be able to bring a little leadership to the team, and with his career history, I don’t mind him giving advice to Ant to try to get him on track.

I kind of like this trade

[minimus]

But the focus should be on finding an unselfish point guard that can defend, will push the pace. If they can run pick and roll, or make open three’s, we should pay more.

His name is Tre Jones. Bring this guy home!

[Domejandro]

But the focus should be on finding an unselfish point guard that can defend, will push the pace. If they can run pick and roll, or make open three’s, we should pay more.

His name is Tre Jones. Bring this guy home!

Why would the San Antonio Spurs trade him?

[TimberKat]

But the focus should be on finding an unselfish point guard that can defend, will push the pace. If they can run pick and roll, or make open three’s, we should pay more.

His name is Tre Jones. Bring this guy home!

it's too bad that his name is not Jordan McLaughlin.

[PharmD]

DLo plus Prince for Westbrook works and i'd totally do it

[SO_MONEY]

There is no real way out of this, we just have to find a way through. No trade is going to turn this around. No amount of selling off pieces will get us back to where we were. When we made the deal it was long-term and there is no pivot and we will be operating in an asset deficit for near a decade + what a rebuild looks like. If it doesn't work it is apocalyptic.

[minimus]

DLo plus Prince for Westbrook works and i'd totally do it

Please God, no!

[minimus]

There is no real way out of this, we just have to find a way through. No trade is going to turn this around. No amount of selling off pieces will get us back to where we were. When we made the deal it was long-term and there is no pivot and we will be operating in an asset deficit for near a decade + what a rebuild looks like. If it doesn't work it is apocalyptic.

It is a system problem, no player in NBA can fix it.

[SO_MONEY]

There is no real way out of this, we just have to find a way through. No trade is going to turn this around. No amount of selling off pieces will get us back to where we were. When we made the deal it was long-term and there is no pivot and we will be operating in an asset deficit for near a decade + what a rebuild looks like. If it doesn't work it is apocalyptic.

It is a system problem, no player in NBA can fix it.

Depends on what you mean by system? I personally don't think we have a system problem per se., we have a player problem, fit and culture. We also have a FO and ownership problem. I think Finch is a very capable coach and if he can't make it work it is unlikely results can get much better. It needs to organically solve itself and if it doesn't pro ball in MN will be a void for a very long time, so much so liquidating and moving the team could be an option.

[Klomp]

There is no real way out of this, we just have to find a way through. No trade is going to turn this around. No amount of selling off pieces will get us back to where we were. When we made the deal it was long-term and there is no pivot and we will be operating in an asset deficit for near a decade + what a rebuild looks like. If it doesn't work it is apocalyptic.

No. That is what Dallas fans undoubtedly thought about Porzingis too. One trade was all it took to fix things.

[younggunsmn]

It's time to send DeAngelo Russell home while we search for a trade with his 30 million dollar expiring.
We can't keep starting the game down 20 points by putting him on the floor.
Any trade value he had as a player is cooked there is no point to trying to keep that alive by playing him.

His awful play goes far beyond poor shooting. He is killing our chemistry and our offensive flow and is responsible for a large share of the live ball turnovers and poor defense. There is no reparing this team while he is still on it.

I say make the bold move and make Ant the lead guard in the same way D-Wade was, and find our way with the guard spot next to him depending on matchups. Give Nowell and J-Mac more run, they have flaws, but both play extremely hard and the only way they can get better is with more playing time, Nowell especially if he can just calm down a little bit has tremendous potential.

Russell is cooked. If he didn't have name recognition and a 30 million dollar contract he would be out of the league.

Sometimes the only way for a team to move forward and improve is to cut a bad/ill fitting player loose. Good teams know this.
The key to this season is Ant and Jaden improving, long term its the only way we are going to reach that next level.