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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#101 » by Krapinsky » Sat Nov 5, 2022 4:24 pm

Shake up -

Nowell / JMac
Ant / D-Lo (6th man)
Prince / McDaniels
KAT / Slo-mo
Gobert / Naz
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#102 » by TimberKat » Sat Nov 5, 2022 4:42 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Shake up -

Nowell / JMac
Ant / D-Lo (6th man)
Prince / McDaniels
KAT / Slo-mo
Gobert / Naz

Like it. How about start JMac instead of Nowell?
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#103 » by twolves31 » Sat Nov 5, 2022 5:18 pm

Krapinsky wrote:Shake up -

Nowell / JMac
Ant / D-Lo (6th man)
Prince / McDaniels
KAT / Slo-mo
Gobert / Naz


I would start Jmac, honestly Nowell should get benched for the next few games to send him a message we don't need him taking 3.7 shots per 36 more than Ant and 6.1 more shots per 36 minutes than Kat. He looked better yesterday, but he just takes the worst shots, that do go in at times.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#104 » by winforlose » Sat Nov 5, 2022 5:27 pm

twolves31 wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:Shake up -

Nowell / JMac
Ant / D-Lo (6th man)
Prince / McDaniels
KAT / Slo-mo
Gobert / Naz


I would start Jmac, honestly Nowell should get benched for the next few games to send him a message we don't need him taking 3.7 shots per 36 more than Ant and 6.1 more shots per 36 minutes than Kat. He looked better yesterday, but he just takes the worst shots, that do go in at times.


I disagree. Nowell is being used as the primary scorer on the bench unit. His shots are taken in the flow of the offense and within his game. He has also shown a willingness to defer his own scoring to KAT, Ant, Dlo, MCD, Rudy and others. Moreover, JMAC is a non shooter who is 2 of 14 from deep this season, all of which were wide open. Nowell should start for Dlo. JMAC, Dlo, Ant, Naz, and Rudy is a lineup I want to explore. Another is Nowell, Dlo, Prince, MCD, and KAT. If we are gonna insist on at least one small lineup, at least load it with shooters.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#105 » by Krapinsky » Sat Nov 5, 2022 7:07 pm

I like J-Mac running second unit. Don’t fix what’s not broken. He gives us a spark. I also think he gets a little overmatched by starting point guards, many of whom are 6’3-4”. I also like staggering D-Lo and Nowell since they are a bit redundant.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#106 » by twolves31 » Sat Nov 5, 2022 7:26 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:Shake up -

Nowell / JMac
Ant / D-Lo (6th man)
Prince / McDaniels
KAT / Slo-mo
Gobert / Naz


I would start Jmac, honestly Nowell should get benched for the next few games to send him a message we don't need him taking 3.7 shots per 36 more than Ant and 6.1 more shots per 36 minutes than Kat. He looked better yesterday, but he just takes the worst shots, that do go in at times.


I disagree. Nowell is being used as the primary scorer on the bench unit. His shots are taken in the flow of the offense and within his game. He has also shown a willingness to defer his own scoring to KAT, Ant, Dlo, MCD, Rudy and others. Moreover, JMAC is a non shooter who is 2 of 14 from deep this season, all of which were wide open. Nowell should start for Dlo. JMAC, Dlo, Ant, Naz, and Rudy is a lineup I want to explore. Another is Nowell, Dlo, Prince, MCD, and KAT. If we are gonna insist on at least one small lineup, at least load it with shooters.


Honestly just laughed for a few minutes at the his shots are taken in the flow of the offense. He is currently 4th in the NBA in shots per 36 minutes behind Trae, Doncic, and Giannis, ahead of Shai, Lebron, Morant, and Curry. He does make some tough shots and I do like his pull up midrange shot and a decent amount of his drives to the hoop, I just want to see him passing it more. All I see from Nowell most of this season is someone trying to score as much as he can to earn the biggest contract he can get this summer. We need him to take advantage of his scoring ability within the offense.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#107 » by winforlose » Sat Nov 5, 2022 7:45 pm

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I would start Jmac, honestly Nowell should get benched for the next few games to send him a message we don't need him taking 3.7 shots per 36 more than Ant and 6.1 more shots per 36 minutes than Kat. He looked better yesterday, but he just takes the worst shots, that do go in at times.


I disagree. Nowell is being used as the primary scorer on the bench unit. His shots are taken in the flow of the offense and within his game. He has also shown a willingness to defer his own scoring to KAT, Ant, Dlo, MCD, Rudy and others. Moreover, JMAC is a non shooter who is 2 of 14 from deep this season, all of which were wide open. Nowell should start for Dlo. JMAC, Dlo, Ant, Naz, and Rudy is a lineup I want to explore. Another is Nowell, Dlo, Prince, MCD, and KAT. If we are gonna insist on at least one small lineup, at least load it with shooters.


Honestly just laughed for a few minutes at the his shots are taken in the flow of the offense. He is currently 4th in the NBA in shots per 36 minutes behind Trae, Doncic, and Giannis, ahead of Shai, Lebron, Morant, and Curry. He does make some tough shots and I do like his pull up midrange shot and a decent amount of his drives to the hoop, I just want to see him passing it more. All I see from Nowell most of this season is someone trying to score as much as he can to earn the biggest contract he can get this summer. We need him to take advantage of his scoring ability within the offense.


Not saying he doesn’t shoot a lot. I am saying he is out there to shoot. That is his role. He is an iso scorer who gets to his spots and shoots at either at the rim or in the paint on the pull up. Most of his 3s are pick and pop and swing and fire. He does tend to go cold and a few times per game which is a problem. Also, a few games back he was unwise attacking the rim protector. Except for those lapses, most his shots are what Finch wants him shooting. He also defers quite a lot when playing with KAT and Ant. He only really prioritizes his own shot when playing with only one, and again it is usually shots Finch Wants him taking.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#108 » by winforlose » Sun Nov 6, 2022 3:26 am

Anderson, Ant, MCD, KAT, and Rudy would be fun to watch and impossible to guard.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#109 » by TheZachAttack » Sun Nov 6, 2022 2:21 pm

I would have concerns about the bench’s ability to move the ball but this would be interesting:

Starting 5:

Jmac
Edwards
TP
Towns
Gobert

Bench rotation:

DLo
Nowell
Anderson
McDaniels
Gobert

I envision D Lo and McLaughlin each playing in the mid 20s for minutes but just who they play with predominantly changing. You’d have to find ways to work Naz in along with Nowell/Anderson/TP just like right now.

I think the first unit would have much better flow and the second unit would have enough shot making to win their minutes along with elite defense if you ran Gobert with that group predominantly.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#110 » by TimberKat » Mon Nov 7, 2022 1:26 am

TheZachAttack wrote:I would have concerns about the bench’s ability to move the ball but this would be interesting:

Starting 5:

Jmac
Edwards
TP
Towns
Gobert

Bench rotation:

DLo
Nowell
Anderson
McDaniels
Gobert

I envision D Lo and McLaughlin each playing in the mid 20s for minutes but just who they play with predominantly changing. You’d have to find ways to work Naz in along with Nowell/Anderson/TP just like right now.

I think the first unit would have much better flow and the second unit would have enough shot making to win their minutes along with elite defense if you ran Gobert with that group predominantly.
I think we played Jmac, Edwards, TP, Towns, Gobert already but not sure about the stats. Feels like it should work. Reid had played so well that should earn him a reserve spot. I was expecting this type of breakout last year but it's better late than never.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#111 » by younggunsmn » Mon Nov 7, 2022 2:15 am

Starters:
Slomo
Ant
McD
Kat
Rudy

Bench unit 1 (pace and space)
Jmac
Nowell
Prince
Naz
KAT

bench unit 2 (grit and grind)
Jmac
Nowell
Ant
Naz
Rudy

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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#112 » by Klomp » Tue Nov 8, 2022 7:52 pm

I think Rivers is going to find himself in the regular rotation before long and possibly even the starting lineup. Don't be surprised....
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#113 » by TimberKat » Tue Nov 8, 2022 11:31 pm

Klomp wrote:I think Rivers is going to find himself in the regular rotation before long and possibly even the starting lineup. Don't be surprised....

That is what I am wondering also. DLo, JMcL, and Nowell doesn't look good as starters. Maybe give Rivers the first 5 min for some D and Vet leadership. JMcL second choice, at least he is trying and quick. DLo could be the sixth man scorer.
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Post#114 » by Klomp » Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:35 pm

Here's an outside the box idea: Russell out, Anderson in

Russell moves to the second unit, where he essentially takes on the Beasley role. Get your shots! He plays a lot next to McLaughlin, which has benefitted him a lot in the past.

Who does this affect most? Forbes probably doesn't play much in this scenario and Nowell might not have the same amount of freedom (which might be a good thing). Lineups will still mix and match though, but this could give more balance.
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#115 » by TimberKat » Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:15 pm

Klomp wrote:Here's an outside the box idea: Russell out, Anderson in

Russell moves to the second unit, where he essentially takes on the Beasley role. Get your shots! He plays a lot next to McLaughlin, which has benefitted him a lot in the past.

Who does this affect most? Forbes probably doesn't play much in this scenario and Nowell might not have the same amount of freedom (which might be a good thing). Lineups will still mix and match though, but this could give more balance.
like Russell as the new Beasley. Who will run point in this case? Edwards play like Harden? Not sure if he is ready. Towns pass well but can he run the offense? Is Edwards willing to guard the other team's pg and be effective?
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Post#116 » by Klomp » Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:22 pm

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Klomp wrote:Here's an outside the box idea: Russell out, Anderson in

Russell moves to the second unit, where he essentially takes on the Beasley role. Get your shots! He plays a lot next to McLaughlin, which has benefitted him a lot in the past.

Who does this affect most? Forbes probably doesn't play much in this scenario and Nowell might not have the same amount of freedom (which might be a good thing). Lineups will still mix and match though, but this could give more balance.
like Russell as the new Beasley. Who will run point in this case? Edwards play like Harden? Not sure if he is ready. Towns pass well but can he run the offense? Is Edwards willing to guard the other team's pg and be effective?

Anderson is more than capable as a facilitator. It gets trickier on defense, as more would be on Ant for sure. But it's not like Russell has been strong there either.
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2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#117 » by minimus » Sat Nov 12, 2022 8:38 pm

Klomp wrote:
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Klomp wrote:Here's an outside the box idea: Russell out, Anderson in

Russell moves to the second unit, where he essentially takes on the Beasley role. Get your shots! He plays a lot next to McLaughlin, which has benefitted him a lot in the past.

Who does this affect most? Forbes probably doesn't play much in this scenario and Nowell might not have the same amount of freedom (which might be a good thing). Lineups will still mix and match though, but this could give more balance.
like Russell as the new Beasley. Who will run point in this case? Edwards play like Harden? Not sure if he is ready. Towns pass well but can he run the offense? Is Edwards willing to guard the other team's pg and be effective?

Anderson is more than capable as a facilitator. It gets trickier on defense, as more would be on Ant for sure. But it's not like Russell has been strong there either.

If only Anderson can hit 3s with league average accuracy.

P.S. I'd give Austin Rivers a chance and promote him in starting five. The ideal solution in our situation would be a healthy PJ Dozier
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Re: 2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#118 » by minimus » Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:43 pm

I wish we had a capable PoA defender. Otherwise 50+ pt games from opponent best perimeter star will be a normal thing. I have been sick of Anderson, MCD, Nowell and Ant fouling in every possession. We need someone who can apply some pressure on ballhandler tunneling him towards Gobert and Towns.
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2022/23 Rotation Thread 

Post#119 » by minimus » Sun Dec 11, 2022 3:29 pm

A few questions about rotation:

1) what changes can be made to improve our defensive rebounding? Many have been scapegoating Towns, but it looks like without him we are not rebounding better. My theory is that with MCD assigned to opponent PoA and Gobert boxing out biggest opponent it is up to other three guys on the floor to step up. I.e. Ant, Russell and Anderson have to box out and work harder to get rebounds. Also Reid, TP and Nowell are not known as good rebounders. JMac is too small, but gives 100% effort.

2) after we inserted KA into starting lineup Russell efficiency went up. Is it because of KA decision making and passing? It might our workaround to help Russell to succeed. Give him secondary ballhandler who is smart, versatile and can defend.

3) Wendell Moore gets some minutes without TP. Hopes this trend continues once TP is back.

4) Nowell has been good lately. But our bench has not been as good as last season. Maybe PJ Dozier can help? Any thoughts?

5) is Forbes out of rotation?
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Post#120 » by Klomp » Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:16 pm

minimus wrote:2) after we inserted KA into starting lineup Russell efficiency went up. Is it because of KA decision making and passing? It might our workaround to help Russell to succeed. Give him secondary ballhandler who is smart, versatile and can defend.

Russell said recently that he's had a mindset change from the beginning of the year, but it could be that playing next to Anderson more has allowed him to activate that mindset more.

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