Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[m2002brian]

It's time to send DeAngelo Russell home while we search for a trade with his 30 million dollar expiring.
We can't keep starting the game down 20 points by putting him on the floor.
Any trade value he had as a player is cooked there is no point to trying to keep that alive by playing him.

His awful play goes far beyond poor shooting. He is killing our chemistry and our offensive flow and is responsible for a large share of the live ball turnovers and poor defense. There is no reparing this team while he is still on it.

I say make the bold move and make Ant the lead guard in the same way D-Wade was, and find our way with the guard spot next to him depending on matchups. Give Nowell and J-Mac more run, they have flaws, but both play extremely hard and the only way they can get better is with more playing time, Nowell especially if he can just calm down a little bit has tremendous potential.

Russell is cooked. If he didn't have name recognition and a 30 million dollar contract he would be out of the league.

Sometimes the only way for a team to move forward and improve is to cut a bad/ill fitting player loose. Good teams know this.

Then KAT has to go also. Though talented, he is ill fitting as ****. Good teams know this.

[younggunsmn]

I don't think KAT is the problem.
He has a skillset you can't find anywhere else.
He also has flaws on the defensive end you need to try to mitigate or learn to live with, which we built a scheme for last year that worked fairly well and then traded away the pieces that made it work.

He is what he is defensively. I haven't seen the glaring immaturity/temperament problems in the last 10 games or so.
I'm encouraged by the improved passing (last night notwithstanding).
I was really down on him after the Memphis series, and first 3 games this year, but I don't think he is the main problem.
The main problem is that our point of attack defense is pretty much nonexistant and we are terrible at playing pick and roll/pop right now because we can't commit to how we are going to attack it.

Even if we wanted to:
A) He cant be traded until the offseason
B) He's now a supermax player which hurts his trade value considerably
C) We basically owe 5 unprotected firsts (one swap, one top 5) firsts, any return must be win-now which severely limits the options.

[minimus]

It's time to send DeAngelo Russell home while we search for a trade with his 30 million dollar expiring.
We can't keep starting the game down 20 points by putting him on the floor.
Any trade value he had as a player is cooked there is no point to trying to keep that alive by playing him.

His awful play goes far beyond poor shooting. He is killing our chemistry and our offensive flow and is responsible for a large share of the live ball turnovers and poor defense. There is no reparing this team while he is still on it.

I say make the bold move and make Ant the lead guard in the same way D-Wade was, and find our way with the guard spot next to him depending on matchups. Give Nowell and J-Mac more run, they have flaws, but both play extremely hard and the only way they can get better is with more playing time, Nowell especially if he can just calm down a little bit has tremendous potential.

Russell is cooked. If he didn't have name recognition and a 30 million dollar contract he would be out of the league.

Sometimes the only way for a team to move forward and improve is to cut a bad/ill fitting player loose. Good teams know this.

Then KAT has to go also. Though talented, he is ill fitting as ****. Good teams know this.

lol. Reminds me how Celtics fans wanted to trade half of the team, before they started to play well and went to the Finals.

[m2002brian]

It's time to send DeAngelo Russell home while we search for a trade with his 30 million dollar expiring.
We can't keep starting the game down 20 points by putting him on the floor.
Any trade value he had as a player is cooked there is no point to trying to keep that alive by playing him.

His awful play goes far beyond poor shooting. He is killing our chemistry and our offensive flow and is responsible for a large share of the live ball turnovers and poor defense. There is no reparing this team while he is still on it.

I say make the bold move and make Ant the lead guard in the same way D-Wade was, and find our way with the guard spot next to him depending on matchups. Give Nowell and J-Mac more run, they have flaws, but both play extremely hard and the only way they can get better is with more playing time, Nowell especially if he can just calm down a little bit has tremendous potential.

Russell is cooked. If he didn't have name recognition and a 30 million dollar contract he would be out of the league.

Sometimes the only way for a team to move forward and improve is to cut a bad/ill fitting player loose. Good teams know this.

Then KAT has to go also. Though talented, he is ill fitting as ****. Good teams know this.

lol. Reminds me how Celtics fans wanted to trade half of the team, before they started to play well and went to the Finals.

The same Celtics who in 2019 didn’t re-sign an elite guard, maybe the best finishing pg in the league, excellent shooter and ball handler, not to mention an nba champion? Went the direction of their up and coming star in Tatum. Seems that worked out for them.

[theGreatRC]

Fully on board the DLO + filler for Russ or DLO for Ben bandwagon.

[moss_is_1]

Fully on board the DLO + filler for Russ or DLO for Ben bandwagon.

I'd do Dlo for Russ, if the filler is prince then so be it. Our shooting would be pretty bad(as if it's not already), but Russ I think gets a bad reputation because he's a horrible fit with LeBron. He was really good in Washington. I also remember Oladipo crediting Russ with helping him in his best year he had in OKC. He will at least play hard, crash the glass and be aggressive.

[moss_is_1]

I'm not even sure what teams would want Dlo. Maybe purely his expiring to hope to get off 2 or 3 year deals.

Indy - Hield and McConnell? I think we would have to add some sort of incentive. Hields deal sucks, but we desperately could use shooting.

Knicks - Fournier and Rose. Yuck.

Hornets - Hayward. He's solid when healthy, would be a good vet, imo.

Nets - Simmons is obvious, idk how we could make the spacing work but think talent alone you'd have to try? Or maybe something like Joe Harris and Royce Oneal?O'Neal?

Man someone like Lonzo Ball OR Caruso would be so nice at PG for us.

[minimus]

Should we try to get Mac McClung as 3rd string PG?

[SO_MONEY]

There is no real way out of this, we just have to find a way through. No trade is going to turn this around. No amount of selling off pieces will get us back to where we were. When we made the deal it was long-term and there is no pivot and we will be operating in an asset deficit for near a decade + what a rebuild looks like. If it doesn't work it is apocalyptic.

No. That is what Dallas fans undoubtedly thought about Porzingis too. One trade was all it took to fix things.

Not remotely the same though.

[shangrila]

I'm not even sure what teams would want Dlo. Maybe purely his expiring to hope to get off 2 or 3 year deals.

Indy - Hield and McConnell? I think we would have to add some sort of incentive. Hields deal sucks, but we desperately could use shooting.

Knicks - Fournier and Rose. Yuck.

Hornets - Hayward. He's solid when healthy, would be a good vet, imo.

Nets - Simmons is obvious, idk how we could make the spacing work but think talent alone you'd have to try? Or maybe something like Joe Harris and Royce Oneal?O'Neal?

Man someone like Lonzo Ball OR Caruso would be so nice at PG for us.

Rozier from Charlotte might be an option. Same as Devonte Graham from the Pels (although that would probably need to be a 3 team at min to make the salaries work).

[babyjax13]

Jevon Carter feels like such a natural fit for what Minnesota needs. Does some of what Beverley does, while being a better distributor.

[babyjax13]

I'm not even sure what teams would want Dlo. Maybe purely his expiring to hope to get off 2 or 3 year deals.

Indy - Hield and McConnell? I think we would have to add some sort of incentive. Hields deal sucks, but we desperately could use shooting.

Knicks - Fournier and Rose. Yuck.

Hornets - Hayward. He's solid when healthy, would be a good vet, imo.

Nets - Simmons is obvious, idk how we could make the spacing work but think talent alone you'd have to try? Or maybe something like Joe Harris and Royce Oneal?O'Neal?

Man someone like Lonzo Ball OR Caruso would be so nice at PG for us.

Rozier from Charlotte might be an option. Same as Devonte Graham from the Pels (although that would probably need to be a 3 team at min to make the salaries work).

Graham seems like a really good call. Could the Pelicans be interested in offloading a bit of salary? Graham, Temple, Lewis all seem like guys not in their long term plans. Would still need filler and for Minnesota to send some guys back attached to DLo.

[shangrila]

I'm not even sure what teams would want Dlo. Maybe purely his expiring to hope to get off 2 or 3 year deals.

Indy - Hield and McConnell? I think we would have to add some sort of incentive. Hields deal sucks, but we desperately could use shooting.

Knicks - Fournier and Rose. Yuck.

Hornets - Hayward. He's solid when healthy, would be a good vet, imo.

Nets - Simmons is obvious, idk how we could make the spacing work but think talent alone you'd have to try? Or maybe something like Joe Harris and Royce Oneal?O'Neal?

Man someone like Lonzo Ball OR Caruso would be so nice at PG for us.

Rozier from Charlotte might be an option. Same as Devonte Graham from the Pels (although that would probably need to be a 3 team at min to make the salaries work).

Graham seems like a really good call. Could the Pelicans be interested in offloading a bit of salary? Graham, Temple, Lewis all seem like guys not in their long term plans. Would still need filler and for Minnesota to send some guys back attached to DLo.

My thought was something like DLo to the Spurs, McDermott+Josh+Graham to the Wolves and Collins to the Pels. That would probably take more incentive but that's the general idea; break DLo into parts and send one of them to the Pels.

[mplsfonz23]

Im with So Money. There is no trade out of this one. Nobody wants Lo and his price tag with his play. We just have to hope he figures it out. Simmons is a bust no matter how good his D is whenever he's healthy. Russ is way too old to grow with this team. And we gave up all our picks so we have nothing to bargain with. Lo or bust. (No pun intended.)

[shrink]

What do you think of Naz for Nassir Little?

He can defend a little, and he’s shooting the three well this year.

POR could use some center help, and this gives them some wiggle room under the lux.

[minimus]

We need PoA defender for 10-15 min... Like GP2...

[NebWolvesFan]

What do you think of Naz for Nassir Little?

He can defend a little, and he’s shooting the three well this year.

POR could use some center help, and this gives them some wiggle room under the lux.

I believe Little signed an extension so he can't be traded.

[shrink]

What do you think of Naz for Nassir Little?

He can defend a little, and he’s shooting the three well this year.

POR could use some center help, and this gives them some wiggle room under the lux.

I believe Little signed an extension so he can't be traded.

Good catch! His Oct 22 extension was more than 5% of his previous salary, so I think he is ineligible to be traded for six months.

[Mamba4Goat]

What do you think of Naz for Nassir Little?

He can defend a little, and he’s shooting the three well this year.

POR could use some center help, and this gives them some wiggle room under the lux.

I believe Little signed an extension so he can't be traded.

Good catch! His Oct 22 extension was more than 5% of his previous salary, so I think he is ineligible to be traded for six months.

Little signed a rookie extension so it’s effected by the poison pill provision where the outgoing salary is his current years salary and his incoming salary is the average of the current year+the extension. So he’d be $4.171mil outgoing for Portland and $6.434mil incoming for Minnesota in a trade. So it’s doable but they’d need to add a player or two.

[shrink]

I believe Little signed an extension so he can't be traded.

Good catch! His Oct 22 extension was more than 5% of his previous salary, so I think he is ineligible to be traded for six months.

Little signed a rookie extension so it’s effected by the poison pill provision where the outgoing salary is his current years salary and his incoming salary is the average of the current year+the extension. So he’d be $4.171mil outgoing for Portland and $6.434mil incoming for Minnesota in a trade. So it’s doable but they’d need to add a player or two.

Thanks. Frustrating that we can’t fit him in the Vanderbilt TPE.