How big was Shaq fouling out defenders?

[ShaqAttac]

I hear people talk about it but I wonder how much of a difference it made

[penbeast0]

It's a legit issue. Shaq drew more fouls per minute than the other ATG's though he didn't stay out on the floor anywhere near the minutes of Wilt, though to be fair, neither did anyone else.

A few names (using career FTA/36 from BB-R as per 100 stats aren't available for older guys).

Shaq 9.7
Wilt 8.9
Jordan 7.7
LeBron 7.4
Kareem 7.1

Probably even stronger effect for someone like Shaq or Wilt than for Jordan or LeBron as you can switch different primary defenders onto Jordan or LeBron where you pretty much have to have your big man on Shaq or Wilt. So if they could get the primary big man into foul trouble, the reserve most likely won't have nearly the impact as it has always been harder to find great 7 footers.

[HeartBreakKid]

It'd force some really crappy bench players onto the court. it must have made a tangible difference.

[OhayoKD]

It's a legit issue. Shaq drew more fouls per minute than the other ATG's though he didn't stay out on the floor anywhere near the minutes of Wilt, though to be fair, neither did anyone else.

A few names (using career FTA/36 from BB-R as per 100 stats aren't available for older guys).

Shaq 9.7
Wilt 8.9
Jordan 7.7
LeBron 7.4
Kareem 7.1

Probably even stronger effect for someone like Shaq or Wilt than for Jordan or LeBron as you can switch different primary defenders onto Jordan or LeBron where you pretty much have to have your big man on Shaq or Wilt. So if they could get the primary big man into foul trouble, the reserve most likely won't have nearly the impact as it has always been harder to find great 7 footers.

Wouldn't weakenign the defense for other players hold back shaq's impact stuff

[MyUniBroDavis]

It's a legit issue. Shaq drew more fouls per minute than the other ATG's though he didn't stay out on the floor anywhere near the minutes of Wilt, though to be fair, neither did anyone else.

A few names (using career FTA/36 from BB-R as per 100 stats aren't available for older guys).

Shaq 9.7
Wilt 8.9
Jordan 7.7
LeBron 7.4
Kareem 7.1

Probably even stronger effect for someone like Shaq or Wilt than for Jordan or LeBron as you can switch different primary defenders onto Jordan or LeBron where you pretty much have to have your big man on Shaq or Wilt. So if they could get the primary big man into foul trouble, the reserve most likely won't have nearly the impact as it has always been harder to find great 7 footers.

Wouldn't weakenign the defense for other players hold back shaq's impact stuff

It might weaken in the sense of his impact doesn’t reflect his true value because he forces weaker players on the court but it shouldn’t lead to the lineup adjusted stuff being worse than it is

[MiamiBulls]

It warped the game to where opposing defenses were always in a perpetual negative disposition schematically and psychologically.

With Shaq, it was the equivalence of a Rush-Happy NFL Offense that featured a premiere ATG Power Back that ran through the tackles and applied physical punishment like Derrick Henry or Jerome Bettis. For Defenses it is psychological nightmare when they can't get off the field with the opposing offense controlling time of possession that has defenders fatiguing substantially after every down while still having to continuously accept percussive shock from the elite RB.

[ShaqAttac]

It's a legit issue. Shaq drew more fouls per minute than the other ATG's though he didn't stay out on the floor anywhere near the minutes of Wilt, though to be fair, neither did anyone else.

A few names (using career FTA/36 from BB-R as per 100 stats aren't available for older guys).

Shaq 9.7
Wilt 8.9
Jordan 7.7
LeBron 7.4
Kareem 7.1

Probably even stronger effect for someone like Shaq or Wilt than for Jordan or LeBron as you can switch different primary defenders onto Jordan or LeBron where you pretty much have to have your big man on Shaq or Wilt. So if they could get the primary big man into foul trouble, the reserve most likely won't have nearly the impact as it has always been harder to find great 7 footers.

Wouldn't weakenign the defense for other players hold back shaq's impact stuff

It might weaken in the sense of his impact doesn’t reflect his true value because he forces weaker players on the court but it shouldn’t lead to the lineup adjusted stuff being worse than it is

what is impact?

[FuShengTHEGreat]

It depends.....it wasn't happening when Shaq was encountering teams with HOF PFs and Cs that could score and rebound as well as he could.

[cupcakesnake]

Lots of people are correctly pointing out that it forced weaker players on the court. I'd like to add it also forced teams to carry weaker players on their rosters. If you considered yourself a contender in the early 2000s, it was mandatory to carry 3-5 centers with enough mass to do some emergency Shaq duty.

Go look at the Kings, Blazers, Nets, Mavs rosters from 2000-2004. Sometimes a full third of their roster is guys over 6'10 because whatever extra roster spots they had were dedicated to Shaq fodder. This meant these teams were deprived of anything else you'd want to spend an extra roster spot. An upside swing, an extra shooter or defender, an extra backup at a crucial position? You are allowed none of those luxuries because... Shaq.

[migya]

Any player that draws fouls causes havoc for the opposition. Robinson and the Malones were also elite. As pointed out, or causes a lesser player to play more and the opposition to constantly think about the movements of that player that draws the fouls.

Shooting at a good efficiency is all good but harder to maintain than going to the foul line for free throws.

[penbeast0]

what is impact?

It's when the refs let a 350 pound athletic freak put his shoulder into you to give himself space to shoot in the post. Or, when you are driving looking for the and-1 and the foul knocks you back 8 feet on your butt. It's the description of Shaq's game.

[prolific passer]

Wouldn't weakenign the defense for other players hold back shaq's impact stuff

It might weaken in the sense of his impact doesn’t reflect his true value because he forces weaker players on the court but it shouldn’t lead to the lineup adjusted stuff being worse than it is

what is impact?

An elbow to the face from Shaq to the guy who is guarding him and the guy who gets elbowed gets called for the foul. That's impact.

[migya]

what is impact?

Also,

When a270 pound freight train knocks over anyone in front of him on the way to the rim, over and over for two decades, not needing much more"skill" to score.

That's competing for alltime great impact.

[dooki667]

I think it was the recent thinking basketball with Mike dantoni he brought up philly going small for like 12 minutes and doing well. does anyone know of any other times a team tried that and how it worked out?

[ShaqAttac]

what is impact?

Also,

When a270 pound freight train knocks over anyone in front of him on the way to the rim, over and over for two decades, not needing much more"skill" to score.

That's competing for alltime great impact.

im confuseeed

[OhayoKD]

Wouldn't weakenign the defense for other players hold back shaq's impact stuff

It might weaken in the sense of his impact doesn’t reflect his true value because he forces weaker players on the court but it shouldn’t lead to the lineup adjusted stuff being worse than it is

what is impact?

Impact in this context means a player's individual influence on a team's success. It is, roughly, how good a team is with a player - without a player and then people usually look to other things to adjust for context.

Theoretically, Shaq putting players in foul trouble would make it easier for his teammates to score when he's not on the floor...'

Since he wouldn't be on the floor, those points coming might work against how he grades by stuff that tracks that.

[ShaqAttac]

It might weaken in the sense of his impact doesn’t reflect his true value because he forces weaker players on the court but it shouldn’t lead to the lineup adjusted stuff being worse than it is

what is impact?

Impact in this context means a player's individual influence on a team's success. It is, roughly, how good a team is with a player - without a player and then people usually look to other things to adjust for context.

Theoretically, Shaq putting players in foul trouble would make it easier for his teammates to score when he's not on the floor...'

Since he wouldn't be on the floor, those points coming might work against how he grades by stuff that tracks that.

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