2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

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It's early but who is your current NBA MVP?

Giannis Antetokounmpo
99
26%
Luka Doncic
75
20%
Jayson Tatum
80
21%
Nikola Jokic
53
14%
Stephen Curry
33
9%
Donovan Mitchell
4
1%
Ja Morant
2
1%
Zion Williamson
12
3%
Devin Booker
12
3%
Joel Embiid
14
4%
 
Total votes: 384

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Post#501 » by Yuri36 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:25 am

Texas Chuck wrote:reading this thread I see you are only allowed to cite a player on your favorite team. But while Dwight Powell is a worthy candidate after a slow start, I have Giannis and Tatum the two clear early frontrunners.


Lol how can Tatum be a clear front runner ahead of Luka or even Steph?
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Post#502 » by itrsteve » Sun Nov 13, 2022 12:16 pm

Yuri36 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:reading this thread I see you are only allowed to cite a player on your favorite team. But while Dwight Powell is a worthy candidate after a slow start, I have Giannis and Tatum the two clear early frontrunners.


Lol how can Tatum be a clear front runner ahead of Luka or even Steph?


It’s easy, watch some basketball.

GSW isn’t even a 500 team.
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Post#503 » by Lamak » Sun Nov 13, 2022 1:43 pm

Doncic, Giannis, Curry, Mitchell, and KD my 5 choices right now
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Post#504 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:05 pm

Yuri36 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:reading this thread I see you are only allowed to cite a player on your favorite team. But while Dwight Powell is a worthy candidate after a slow start, I have Giannis and Tatum the two clear early frontrunners.


Lol how can Tatum be a clear front runner ahead of Luka or even Steph?


He's playing great basketball on one of the two best teams in the league.

This thread is about MVP, not who is most awesome at basketball. When the most awesome at basketball thread is started, I would have Steph ahead of Tatum.

I'm simply trying to stick to the topic, sorry about that.
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Post#505 » by Dutchball97 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:54 pm

Has anyone mentioned that EPM is now available for 22/23 yet? I try to check the stat regularly as it remains one of my favorites so I was happy to find we have something better than RAPTOR or BPM to rely on again.

Curry, Luka and KD are the top 3 both in per minute play and overall value added so far. We've been talking about Curry becoming the frontrunner possibly when the Warriors get over .500 again but looks like the same might be true for KD and the Nets.

Other than that the other serious MVP contenders like Tatum, Mitchell, Giannis and Jokic are all doing well too at +5 or +6. The likes of Ja, SGA, Harden, Dame, PG and Siakam who have been getting some buzz are all +4 or +5 as well so looks like EPM is confirming what we've already been saying for the most part. KD has been climbing up the rankings so he's only a bit of a surprise but nobody is talking about Butler at all, while he's 5th in EPM with +6.1 and 6th in estimated wins with 2.4.

Bane, Haliburton and Markkanen rightfully seem to have made the step to All-Star level players with them being around +4 as well.
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Post#506 » by Floody100 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:26 pm

Lamak wrote:Doncic, Giannis, Curry, Mitchell, and KD my 5 choices right now


Ah yes. Tell us you hate the Celtics without actually telling us you hate the Celtics ….
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Post#507 » by _NoMas » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:49 pm

Tatum my front runner so far. Combining counting stats, team record and defence. Long long way to go though, Curry Luka Mitchell Giannis and Jokic will all have a say I’m sure
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Post#509 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:41 pm

SGA 37/8/5 in a big comeback win. Thunder hovering around .500. It’s laughable he’s not a top 5 MVP candidate while Luka is on a near .500 team with much higher expectations. It’s like some players are being punished for bad team, others not. PS these are my two favorite NBA players, so it’s nothing personal.
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Post#510 » by slick_watts » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:43 pm

ClipsFanAgain wrote:SGA 37/8/5 in a big comeback win. Thunder hovering around .500. It’s laughable he’s not a top 5 MVP candidate while Luka is on a near .500 team with much higher expectations. It’s like some players are being punished for bad team, others not. PS these are my two favorite NBA players, so it’s nothing personal.


sga has been great but he's not in the same echelon as the top guys so far. the curious thing about sga season is how many 2pt shots he's making. 10+ a game. uncommon. giannis is the only other guy doing that this year, and zion williamson is the only guy to do it over a full season since 2007. the last guards to do it are allen iverson and kobe bryant in 2005-06, before that michael jordan in 1997-98.

basically, sga has been a serious outlier on how prolific and efficient he has been inside 3pt line, hard to see him keep that up over a full season. for the sake of his body's wear and tear maybe he should increase his 3pt attempts...
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Post#511 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:47 pm

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ClipsFanAgain wrote:SGA 37/8/5 in a big comeback win. Thunder hovering around .500. It’s laughable he’s not a top 5 MVP candidate while Luka is on a near .500 team with much higher expectations. It’s like some players are being punished for bad team, others not. PS these are my two favorite NBA players, so it’s nothing personal.


sga has been great but he's not in the same echelon as the top guys so far. the curious thing about sga season is how many 2pt shots he's making. 10+ a game. uncommon. giannis is the only other guy doing that this year, and zion williamson is the only guy to do it over a full season since 2007. the last guards to do it are allen iverson and kobe bryant in 2005-06, before that michael jordan in 1997-98.

basically, sga has been a serious outlier on how prolific and efficient he has been inside 3pt line, hard to see him keep that up over a full season. for the sake of his body's wear and tear maybe he should increase his 3pt attempts...


This isn’t it. He’s not Luka/Giannis level, but there is zero data I’m finding that reflects he isn’t in the tier with Tatum, Mitchell etc that people are praising here. I personally think he should be 4th after Giannis/Luka/Tatum. The difference is he’s the only superstar player who doesn’t even have a second all star caliber guy next to him out of the MVP candidates, maybe outside of Jokic if Jamal doesn’t return to form.

Ps.. he’s been playing this way for years. 538 wrote about his prolific driving frequency in 2021. In 2020 they wrote about how insane he is in ISO. It’s not an outlier. HE may be an anomaly, but it’s been sustained. There is no fluke here. It’s literally his game and skill set. It’s not hard on his body at all. Nobody can stay in front of him in the league. He rarely takes contact like Ja for example, because he doesn’t make explosive, risky moves driving. He goes AROUND contact.

Do you remember last season by any chance? He averaged 31/7/6 the second half of last season after returning from injury. Doing exactly the same things. We have enough sample size to know this is sustainable.

WS/48 around .240, better than Tatum (and most of these MVP’s), TS 63%, +14 PP100 differential… I mean he’s worthy of MVP talks.
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Post#512 » by BoatsNZones » Sun Nov 13, 2022 11:43 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Yuri36 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:reading this thread I see you are only allowed to cite a player on your favorite team. But while Dwight Powell is a worthy candidate after a slow start, I have Giannis and Tatum the two clear early frontrunners.


Lol how can Tatum be a clear front runner ahead of Luka or even Steph?


He's playing great basketball on one of the two best teams in the league.

This thread is about MVP, not who is most awesome at basketball. When the most awesome at basketball thread is started, I would have Steph ahead of Tatum.

I'm simply trying to stick to the topic, sorry about that.

Not even critiquing your picks here, but using record this early in the season is a fools errand. It’s much more prescient to see who has been the best players period (and have the ability to keep it up), while taking into account who is likely to be HCA.
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Post#513 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Nov 14, 2022 1:29 am

BoatsNZones wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Yuri36 wrote:
Lol how can Tatum be a clear front runner ahead of Luka or even Steph?


He's playing great basketball on one of the two best teams in the league.

This thread is about MVP, not who is most awesome at basketball. When the most awesome at basketball thread is started, I would have Steph ahead of Tatum.

I'm simply trying to stick to the topic, sorry about that.

Not even critiquing your picks here, but using record this early in the season is a fools errand. It’s much more prescient to see who has been the best players period (and have the ability to keep it up), while taking into account who is likely to be HCA.


I mean I feel a lot better about Boston and the Bucks finishing with a top record than I do Golden State so I don't see how that changes my picks any?

I agree they don't award the MVP with 15% of the season complete. But if I'm going to participate itt this early I can only speak about right now. I think it would be fine if you think its way too premature to just avoid this thread. Then you don't have to worry about Steph not getting the love you think he must always have. :wink:
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Re: 2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1) 

Post#514 » by youngcrev » Mon Nov 14, 2022 3:05 am

Joel Embiid has entered the chat

(Just kidding, Sixers stink right now, but hell of a game)
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Post#515 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:08 am

Where was that meme, of Jokic slamming the door on Embiid grabbing the MVP trophy.

Still some work to do, but he's definitely entered the discussion.
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Post#516 » by greekbuck34 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:22 am

eyeatoma wrote:Where was that meme, of Jokic slamming the door on Embiid grabbing the MVP trophy.

Still some work to do, but he's definitely entered the discussion.


We are 13 games in.

He missed 4 games, he was beyond terrible in at least 3-4 and his team is .500. He didn't enter any discussion yet unless you mean top 10 or top 15.
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Post#517 » by Floody100 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:31 am

eyeatoma wrote:Where was that meme, of Jokic slamming the door on Embiid grabbing the MVP trophy.

Still some work to do, but he's definitely entered the discussion.


No he hasn’t :lol:
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Post#518 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:42 am

greekbuck34 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Where was that meme, of Jokic slamming the door on Embiid grabbing the MVP trophy.

Still some work to do, but he's definitely entered the discussion.


We are 13 games in.

He missed 4 games, he was beyond terrible in at least 3-4 and his team is .500. He didn't enter any discussion yet unless you mean top 10 or top 15.



He has been terrible for the first few games, and has been putting up great numbers over the last 5-6 games. He is on a roll now, and this is the same thing that happened last year. Played bad, got covid, and then came back as the bigman version of MJ.

It's a stacked race right now, and Embiid is on the outside looking in, but if he plays and averages over 30 and the Sixers are winning? He'll most definitely be in the discussion. Also historically we've never had this many good MVP candidates, a bunch will drop off soon.

Right now I'd have it at

Giannis
Luka
Tatum
Mitchell
Morant
SGA

Embiid is probably where SGA is at this point.
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Post#519 » by greekbuck34 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:49 am

eyeatoma wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Where was that meme, of Jokic slamming the door on Embiid grabbing the MVP trophy.

Still some work to do, but he's definitely entered the discussion.


We are 13 games in.

He missed 4 games, he was beyond terrible in at least 3-4 and his team is .500. He didn't enter any discussion yet unless you mean top 10 or top 15.



He has been terrible for the first few games, and has been putting up great numbers over the last 5-6 games. He is on a roll now, and this is the same thing that happened last year. Played bad, got covid, and then came back as the bigman version of MJ.

It's a stacked race right now, and Embiid is on the outside looking in, but if he plays and averages over 30 and the Sixers are winning? He'll most definitely be in the discussion. Also historically we've never had this many good MVP candidates, a bunch will drop off soon.

Right now I'd have it at

Giannis
Luka
Tatum
Mitchell
Morant
SGA

Embiid is probably where SGA is at this point.


There are more near or above SGA's level.

Siakam, Jokic, Lillard, Young, Zion etc.

If you are not close to top 3 or top 4 there is no point to discuss. There is a big gap yet from legit MVP candidates. If Empiid continues to dominate in the next 10 games and most of the top 4 MVPs miss games or struggle then Embiid will close the gap.
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Post#520 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:54 am

greekbuck34 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:
We are 13 games in.

He missed 4 games, he was beyond terrible in at least 3-4 and his team is .500. He didn't enter any discussion yet unless you mean top 10 or top 15.



He has been terrible for the first few games, and has been putting up great numbers over the last 5-6 games. He is on a roll now, and this is the same thing that happened last year. Played bad, got covid, and then came back as the bigman version of MJ.

It's a stacked race right now, and Embiid is on the outside looking in, but if he plays and averages over 30 and the Sixers are winning? He'll most definitely be in the discussion. Also historically we've never had this many good MVP candidates, a bunch will drop off soon.

Right now I'd have it at

Giannis
Luka
Tatum
Mitchell
Morant
SGA

Embiid is probably where SGA is at this point.


There are more near or above SGA's level.

Siakam, Jokic, Lillard, Young, Zion etc.

If you are not close to top 3 or top 4 there is no point to discuss. There is a big gap yet from legit MVP candidates. If Empiid continues to dominate in the next 10 games and most of the top 4 MVPs miss games or struggle then Embiid will close the gap.


Denver are a little better this year, but Jokic's scoring has dropped a lot, and his boards are done, with an uptick in assists. Not that impressed IMO.

SIakim was good, but now he's hurt, is he back yet?

Trae was good to start the season?

Zion? Um no...

Lillard was out for a bit as well, he started the season really hot, and now has tapered off.

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