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GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM)

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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#101 » by Frichuela » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:18 pm

nate33 wrote:Just watched the first 3 quarters. (I only caught the 4th quarter last night). A few observations:

- Utah was being outplayed most of the night. They stayed in it early with some insane 3-point shooting which I thought was pretty well contested, for the most part. The made 10 of their first 17 3's, including 6 of 8 to start the 2nd quarter. That's 30 points on 17 shots for an eFG% of 88%. Shooting like that can keep you in any game. They finally hit a dry spell late in the 2nd quarter, missing 5 in a row, that allowed the Wizards to pull ahead.

- I don't care what anybody says, I'm really starting to like Kyle Kuzma. He probably tries to do a little more than he should, but man, he is a really skilled player who can do everything pretty well. His game has no weakness, other than perhaps an irrational confidence. He'll post up small guys; he'll slash against slow guys. He has very good touch on that floater and pretty good vision, which makes him a threat as the ball-handler on the pick-and-roll. And he has a pretty good turnaround fadeaway. It's not good enough to be a primary option, but it's useful as a bailout shot when an offensive set breaks down. I like how Wes is taking him out of the starting lineup early (bringing in Rui) so that Kuz can be a fulcrum for the 2nd unit.

- Having Deni and Kuzma at forward really gives Wes a lot of flexibility. The both handle the ball as well as a typical shooting guard, so Wes can go with a big lineup and not really face any consequences.

- I think the Wizards are playing better without Beal because of Kispert. Kispert is no where near as good as Beal in the abstract, but he provides exactly what the team needs better than Beal. Kispert's off ball activity and quick release provides just enough off-ball gravity, that it opens up things for everyone else. Meanwhile, Kispert has the size on defense to fit in with the Wizards' switching scheme seamlessly. He was guarding Olynyk for much of the night with no issues. That's our SG guarding their center. With Beal in the lineup, Kispert has to play SF, and we lose the defensive benefits of our huge front line, which is usually 2 out of Deni, Kuz and Rui, plus a center. When Beal comes back, we might be better off with him replacing a lot of Morris' minutes. But rather than have him be the primary ball handler, let Kuzma and Avdija initiate the offense.


Aye aye sir. And certainly Morris-Beal should NOT play together at any time as we are too weak defensively with both on court. Beal should be accompanied with Wright, Goodwin or Deni playing the PG role.
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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#102 » by badinage » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:26 pm

dobrojim wrote:
badinage wrote:What a phenomenal win. Wow.

I can’t believe there isn’t more excitement here. A beat-down of the best team in the league, and without Beal.

I came on, hoping to find some giddiness. But no, nothing.

Whatever.

It was fun, these guys are so durn likable, and a lot of performances that spoke well for the future.


The board wants the Tank. You can blame me for the paltry W prediction, reverse ju-ju. (which was the lowest
on the board when I made it IIRC).


Here’s the thing. If they tank, I stop watching games. Stop following accounts in the media. Stop coming on here. Write off the season and do other things with my time until the draft.

Tanking might be shrewd (not smart; smart is reserved for expressions of and works of intellect), but it gives no pleasure. Last night was pleasure. Dallas was pleasure. I enjoyed the he|| out of those games.
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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#103 » by nate33 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:39 pm

Frichuela wrote:
DCZards wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:Maybe brads smart enough to see how well the offence is flowing and is open to being more off the ball and playing more team ball.

Yup….Brad needs to see that and Wes Jr. needs to enforce it.


He needs to revert to how he played when Wall was around. Focus on being Ray Allen 2.0 and let others handle the rock at crunch time.

If (and BIG if) he can put his ego aside and do that, and Wes gets his shite together, this team could certainly be of playoff caliber…making Turd a happy chap..

I honestly don't think he is a good enough shooter to do that anymore.

I think Beal is doing the things he does best right now - being a slasher, cutter, and a secondary ball-handler in the pick-and-roll. And it shows in that he is playing his most efficient basketball of his career. The trick is, to put the right combination of spacing and defense around him, since Beal is neither a spacer nor a top notch defender. For spacing, we need Kispert, and to maintain our defense, we want Kispert at SG so we can have our versatile, switchable defenders (Avdija, Kuzma, Rui) at forward. So I think we need Beal to man the PG position, but only nominally. Play him at PG, but have Kuzma and Avdija initiate the offense.
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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#104 » by Frichuela » Sun Nov 13, 2022 3:55 pm

nate33 wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
DCZards wrote:Yup….Brad needs to see that and Wes Jr. needs to enforce it.


He needs to revert to how he played when Wall was around. Focus on being Ray Allen 2.0 and let others handle the rock at crunch time.

If (and BIG if) he can put his ego aside and do that, and Wes gets his shite together, this team could certainly be of playoff caliber…making Turd a happy chap..

I honestly don't think he is a good enough shooter to do that anymore.

I think Beal is doing the things he does best right now - being a slasher, cutter, and a secondary ball-handler in the pick-and-roll. And it shows in that he is playing his most efficient basketball of his career. The trick is, to put the right combination of spacing and defense around him, since Beal is neither a spacer nor a top notch defender. For spacing, we need Kispert, and to maintain our defense, we want Kispert at SG so we can have our versatile, switchable defenders (Avdija, Kuzma, Rui) at forward. So I think we need Beal to man the PG position, but only nominally. Play him at PG, but have Kuzma and Avdija initiate the offense.


And to think Turd played $250mn to a player with such limitations :banghead:
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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#105 » by DCZards » Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:07 pm

nate33 wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
DCZards wrote:Yup….Brad needs to see that and Wes Jr. needs to enforce it.


He needs to revert to how he played when Wall was around. Focus on being Ray Allen 2.0 and let others handle the rock at crunch time.

If (and BIG if) he can put his ego aside and do that, and Wes gets his shite together, this team could certainly be of playoff caliber…making Turd a happy chap..

I honestly don't think he is a good enough shooter to do that anymore.

I think Beal is doing the things he does best right now - being a slasher, cutter, and a secondary ball-handler in the pick-and-roll. And it shows in that he is playing his most efficient basketball of his career. The trick is, to put the right combination of spacing and defense around him, since Beal is neither a spacer nor a top notch defender. For spacing, we need Kispert, and to maintain our defense, we want Kispert at SG so we can have our versatile, switchable defenders (Avdija, Kuzma, Rui) at forward. So I think we need Beal to man the PG position, but only nominally. Play him at PG, but have Kuzma and Avdija initiate the offense.

I agree that Beal is best used as a slasher, secondary balhandler and someone who runs off picks for open midrange shots. The 3 ball is clearly not BB's strength...although he is shooting it better this year than last year.

If Beal does play PG, I hope it is only in a very limited role. I don't have a big problem with the ball being in BB's hands at crunch time when appropriate or necessary. He's shown that he can make plays even when the defense knows that's the game plan. I believe it was the Chicago game that he took over at crunch time using his ability to get to the hoop.
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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#106 » by nate33 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 4:18 pm

Frichuela wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
He needs to revert to how he played when Wall was around. Focus on being Ray Allen 2.0 and let others handle the rock at crunch time.

If (and BIG if) he can put his ego aside and do that, and Wes gets his shite together, this team could certainly be of playoff caliber…making Turd a happy chap..

I honestly don't think he is a good enough shooter to do that anymore.

I think Beal is doing the things he does best right now - being a slasher, cutter, and a secondary ball-handler in the pick-and-roll. And it shows in that he is playing his most efficient basketball of his career. The trick is, to put the right combination of spacing and defense around him, since Beal is neither a spacer nor a top notch defender. For spacing, we need Kispert, and to maintain our defense, we want Kispert at SG so we can have our versatile, switchable defenders (Avdija, Kuzma, Rui) at forward. So I think we need Beal to man the PG position, but only nominally. Play him at PG, but have Kuzma and Avdija initiate the offense.


And to think Turd played $250mn to a player with such limitations :banghead:

Yup. This is a fair criticism.

Beal is a very good player, but he does have some noteworthy limitations that keep him out of the top tier of stars. He should never have been given a supermax. He is a $35M-a-year player, not a $50M-a-year-player.
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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#107 » by dobrojim » Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:59 pm

Has Beal ever really been that good at the 3 ball? Seems to me he's been
a bit over-rated in that regard almost from the beginning of his career.
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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#108 » by BearlyBallin » Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:22 pm

badinage wrote:
dobrojim wrote:
badinage wrote:What a phenomenal win. Wow.

I can’t believe there isn’t more excitement here. A beat-down of the best team in the league, and without Beal.

I came on, hoping to find some giddiness. But no, nothing.

Whatever.

It was fun, these guys are so durn likable, and a lot of performances that spoke well for the future.


The board wants the Tank. You can blame me for the paltry W prediction, reverse ju-ju. (which was the lowest
on the board when I made it IIRC).


Here’s the thing. If they tank, I stop watching games. Stop following accounts in the media. Stop coming on here. Write off the season and do other things with my time until the draft.

Tanking might be shrewd (not smart; smart is reserved for expressions of and works of intellect), but it gives no pleasure. Last night was pleasure. Dallas was pleasure. I enjoyed the he|| out of those games.


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Re: GT #13: Jazz @ Bullets 6 PM (NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#109 » by Dolevi » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:28 pm

Nigel Tufnel wrote:The ball just moves so much better without Beal. When he’s there the ball just gets stuck in his hands while he tries to take on three defenders, especially in the last five minutes of a game.
Yep

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