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Post#121 » by doclinkin » Mon Sep 5, 2022 1:18 am

payitforward wrote:You know what's great? Every single good thing you do on offense either helps increase your team's scoring % (i.e. helps you win) or helps increase the number of shots/FTs you get to take (i.e. helps you win).


Yes. Now ask yourself this, is it possible that a player might have a lower Offensive rebounding % and yet his team has a higher % in the same stat when he is on the floor? And the fact that he has a lower % is actually directly related to his teammates grabbing a higher %?

Not all actions on the basketball court show up in your OWN box score stats. A Big who shoots from outside, and is too tall to be guarded by smaller players, has to be marked by a taller frontcourt player. The long bounces that result from these longer range shots are often available to smaller quicker players, especially ones facing the basket, rather than the sole Big now posted alone in the paint.

Imagine that Porzingis drawing Bigs away from the paint provides more opportunities for his teammate to get extra possessions. Will that number show up in his own box score totals? Nope. It will show up best in his opponent's defensive board % during minutes when Porzingis is on the court.

If you look at Porzingis' on/off stats you see generally his offensive rebounding totals are meagre for a Big, but his team is generally neutral or in the positive in both offensive and defensive rebounding % when he is on court. Especially in the team differentials between his production and that of the opponent in +/- stats.

Point being, role plays a role. For a long range player, a face up player, Porzingis is a damn good defensive rebounder and shot blocker. And a high percentage scorer on the inside. Compare him to other players not by his height, but by the types of shots he takes. Then you won't read a damn good player as 'terrible'. His health is the thing that has limited him, that and a drop off in his 3fg%. Otherwise, looking at his effect on points scored for and against his team, the stats say he is having good effect when he is out there. His team is benefitting by his play. Even if he himself is not racking up high totals in whichever accumulated box score roll-up you prefer.
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Post#122 » by DCZards » Mon Sep 5, 2022 2:38 am

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Dallas just traded him for, essentially, nothing much. Here's why: although KP is extremely talented, he's been a big disappointment in the NBA so far.

I think Nate has it right when it comes to why Dallas was so quick to move on from KP...and take so little for him. In short, they didn't put him in the best position to succeed. They didn't use him in a way that best fits his skillset. So he struggled. In large part because he was in an offense built around Luka's skillset.

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When Dallas traded for Porzingis, I think they viewed him as merely a stretch 5 - a guy that could defend the paint on defense, and basically just get out of Luka's way on offense. His job was to pick and pop, or to space the floor on the other side of the court and draw away the big man. But as it turns out, Porzingis isn't really THAT great of 3-point shooter. He shot 36% from 3-point range prior to this last season, which is respectable, but not really a weapon. So when used in that role, he wasn't particularly great. And on defense, his lack of mobility limits him to being exclusively a drop coverage guy, and Dallas' guards didn't have the defensive chops to fight through screens in a drop coverage scheme.
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Post#123 » by payitforward » Mon Sep 5, 2022 3:09 pm

Zards, I'm not sure what the point of this is, to tell the truth....

For starters, KP was far more productive with Dallas than he was with the Knicks. So, whatever "mis-use" they made of him, it worked reasonably well.

Secondly, KP played exactly 17 games for us last year (nate keeps thinking it was 19, btw, but it wasn't). Mostly meaningless games vs. teams for whom the games were also meaningless. IOW, we have no significant basis on which to project the success of a very different role for KP -- which is not to say that we have no inklings; we do. & we all want it to work out in just that way.

Thirdly, what I said about KP is that his NBA career so far has been a disappointment. I'd be willing to bet that he'd agree, that he feels the same way. For that matter, that is pretty much how everyone has described his NBA career. & I would also bet that pretty much everyone who uses that descriptor for KP's NBA career thinks about it in more or less the same way:

1. KP is exceptionally talented. If he weren't so talented, why would anyone be "disappointed?"
2. KP has found it difficult to avoid injury -- lots of missed games & one whole missed season. That is "disappointing."
3. KP has not posted particularly outstanding numbers in any area of the game in any season of his career (w/ the sole exception of blocked shots; over time he blocks about 1 more shot per 40 minutes than average for a big). He's a perfectly adequate rebounder, but his scoring has been at a low % (i.e. relatively low -- compared to other NBA bigs).

OTOH, in his 17 games with us, his numbers were far better than either his career numbers or any of his seasons w/ the Knicks or Dallas. That's what I mean by "inklings."

Obviously, Wes figured out new ways to use KP that were imaginative & effective. & opposing teams weren't able to counter those innovations in the 17 games he played.

Maybe, they'll never figure out effective defensive strategies. Maybe no such strategies are possible. & maybe KP will remain healthy, take advantage of his new situation, & become a star -- or superstar, for that matter, why not?

But none of that has anything to do with what I wrote about Kristaps Porzingis' NBA career so far. Which has been just as I described it -- i.e. substantially disappointing.

As to why Dallas was willing to take so little for him, the answer to that is simple: they took the best offer they could get. It's not about how they used KP; it's about the fact that there was no competition to speak of to trade for him. If there had been, surely they wouldn't have taken no more than Bertans' obviously bad contract plus Spencer Dinwiddie whom we obviously wanted to get rid of -- & they still had to throw in a R2 pick to move him!
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Post#127 » by tontoz » Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:38 pm

One thing I noticed about his 3 point shooting is that he doesn't get squared up consistently. If he catches the ball on a kick out and is already squared up then he shoots them well. If his body is turned when he catches the ball his percentage goes way down.

He could improve his shooting a lot just by practicing getting squared up before he shoots. He shoots quickly and I think it hurts him at times.
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Post#128 » by BearlyBallin » Mon Nov 14, 2022 4:03 am

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Does anyone else feel Porzingis is quicker after the game he took off ?

Or is Adams a slow twitch guy?
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Post#129 » by doclinkin » Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:07 pm

Both. He said his legs felt great after the one game rest. And Adams is a brute strength guy. Not the quickest, just impossible to move and universally noted as the strongest guy in the NBA. Though apparently his family members are even stronger.
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Post#130 » by Frichuela » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:41 pm

Porzinga is spear heading us to the 7th best defense of the league. Good read below.

https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nba/2022/11/22/23473357/myles-turner-trade-rumors-giannis-antetokounmpo
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Post#131 » by tleikheen » Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:50 pm

Porzinga is spear heading us to the 7th best defense of the league. Good read below.


I can remember arguing alot about having Avidja and Kuzma's length and younger legs in the front court with KP when most of the board was promoting Will Barton as the SF . How's Will Barton doing now?
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Post#132 » by payitforward » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:18 am

tleikheen wrote:I can remember arguing a lot about how we should trade for Markelle Fultz even though he hasn't really played in like 3 years. Aren't I smart?


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Post#133 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:31 am

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tleikheen wrote:I can remember arguing a lot about how we should trade for Markelle Fultz even though he hasn't really played in like 3 years. Aren't I smart?


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Post#134 » by nate33 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:42 am

tleikheen wrote:
Porzinga is spear heading us to the 7th best defense of the league. Good read below.


I can remember arguing alot about having Avidja and Kuzma's length and younger legs in the front court with KP when most of the board was promoting Will Barton as the SF . How's Will Barton doing now?

Who was promoting Will Barton? I can’t think of one poster. By my recollection, everybody was really anxious that Wes would foolishly start Barton ahead of Kispert or Avdija.
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Post#136 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Dec 7, 2022 10:44 am

I wonder what Porzingis’ numbers are with and without Bradley Beal?
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Post#137 » by nate33 » Sun Dec 11, 2022 2:53 pm

Porzingis continues to impress. As I said last season, he is our best player. Right now, he leads the team in BPM, Win Shares and PER. He is scoring with volume and efficiency while anchoring the defense.

RPM has Porzingis as the 3rd best center in the league on a per-minute basis, and the 2nd best in terms of total contribution.
RAPTOR has him as the 8th best center in the league on a per-minute basis, and the 6th best in terms of total contribution.
EPM has him 6th per minute and 5th in total contribution. He is arguably the 2nd best center in the East behind only Embiid (when he plays) and in the mix with Brook Lopez and Pascal Siakam. And he has played more minutes than all of those guys.

He has really picked it up in the last 4 games in Beal's absence, averaging 28.5 points, 10.5 boards, 3.5 assists and 1.8 blocks. In that stretch, he averaged 10.5 FTA's and managed a TS% of .607 as the team's 1st option despite missing everything from 3-point range (22.2%).

(He has actually been killing it for 7 games now, averaging 29 and 11 on a TS% of .648, but I thought it was important to break out his production without Beal.)

Note, the Wizards have the best rim defense in the league. They allow the lowest total FG% within 6 feet of the basket, and the lowest contested FG% within 6 feet of the basket. They contest the 6th highest percentage of shots at the rim with the highest reduction of shot efficiency on contested shots.

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Post#138 » by Dark Faze » Sun Dec 11, 2022 5:27 pm

He'll probably get between 4 years 100/120 million this summer if he opts out.
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Post#139 » by AFM » Sun Dec 11, 2022 6:40 pm

For all the sh*t we give Porzingis for being injury prone, it’s important to note Beal is out here licking toilet seats and missing every other game with Covid for the 29th time.
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