esqtvd wrote:og15 wrote:esqtvd wrote:unresponsive to
Wall isn't ready for back-to-backs so that means disrespecting and yo-yoing Reggie in and out of the starting lineup.
and frankly, Wall is the Westbrook-type player
Today, Wall entered the game at 6:21, was called for traveling, got a technical, was blocked at the rim, got an assist, was blocked at the rim again, hit a 3 and ended up playing more than half of the 1st quarter.
Just NOT what a team searching for continuity needs.
please don't do me like that
what emotion?
all facts
and what is wrong with respecting Reggie anyway
last year's leader and captain
and not shittting on him after 13 games
you are totally out of line
Mr Moderator
Not much to re-hash, like I said, Reggie is not the level of player you have to feel obligated to stick with until he figures it out. He can get his shooting back in any role.
It's okay in his case to switch things up, relieve some of that, "
I'm the starting PG I have to get it done" pressure. Maybe it helps him get himself straight and get to better form, maybe the new role is more effective for him. We've seen him in that role before and he did well which is what got him starting opportunity in the first place as a Clipper.
The team has another option. Wall is healthy and was healthy all last season, there's no physical or fitness reason we can pin point to say, "this is why he's not playing back to backs, etc". The only reason is that the team set up an overly cautious plan for handling him and it's not based on an particular ailment or rehab or getting back to form or anything like that, just caution....and there's nothing wild about sitting him on back to backs if he's the starter either.
When Reggie first got signed here,.it was a very low pressure role, come off the bench, take what is there, might not play every game, move on.
Right now he has the pressure of "Wall is coming for my spot", Reggie does not believe he's a conclusively better player than Wall, even post injury, he's played against the guy for many years and has gone against him in practice. For their whole careers and still now, shooting is the only thing, Wall is a better scorer, defender, rebounder, passer, ball handle, Reggie isn't dumb, he knows that.
There's no harm or insult to take the pressure of him, see how it goes, none of these moves in the first 25-30% of the season is going to solidify anything, it's a great time to tinker. It's in February that barring a trade or something drastic, one would prefer not to tinker.
I'm just surprised at the seemingly large reaction to suggestions of testing out lineups and rotations between none staple in the lineup players getting taken to the heights of "disrespect" and bringing out statements like "Clipper for life" as if this is some monumental thing. No one is saying Paul George should be coming off the bench, that would be disrespect.
Will it hurt? Probably not. I know everyone's anxious to play with their new toy, but after a rather disastrous start we just won 5 of 7 and are just now finding our feet--and Reggie was not the reason we lost to the Nets.
It's the scapegoating that annoys me. Wall is not significantly outplaying Reggie at this point and frankly his shooting both now and over his career are suspect. He may be a better fit for the second unit with Powell and RoCo and we have no idea how he'll fit with the Kawhi/PG tandem. There is simply no rush.
I don't think the team and coaching staff should be complacent in wins though, and I don't think they are. You can win and still say, "okay, this or that could be better". No, I don't think the team lost to the Nets because of Reggie, never even mentioned anything close to that.
What I do think and has shown to be true so far is that Reggie is not consistently bringing any element to really elevate the team. It's not his fault, he's not that good of a player, no one was expecting him to play at any high impact level, he was supposed to just be a support guy. His fit next to PG and Kawhi was primarily based on his spot up shooting ability, and ability to take advantage of the court as a third option.
I like sample sizes, which is why I didn't say anything 5, 6, 7 games in, and in the beginning of the season when this Reggie vs Wall was posed on the general board, I said Reggie starting makes sense and I'm content with whatever decision the coaching staff makes, but nothing should be in stone.
The sample sizes are still tough for sure, there are some promising 3 man lineups, there's a lot of noise in some areas to really make any conclusions.
PG/Kennard/Morris as a three man lineup has had a +15 NetRtg in 129 minutes, add Jackson and it's +13.2 NetRtg in 93 minutes. Sample of course is still at a stage where it is pretty noisy, but I can see Lue looking at that and saying, "let's see how this keeps going".
On the other hand,
Wall/PG/Morris/Zubac is +22.5 NetRtg in a, much smaller 35 minutes, so that's even harder to predict from, but also a possible sign of a lineup that could be strong.
Then to be totally fair to Mann, Reggie/Mann/PG/Morris was at +9.2 NetRtg in 58 minutes with a solid 116.7 NetRtg and they went away from that lineup with only a 4 game sample.
We'll see, like always, time will tell.
At least for Wall, his confidence is not waned, he's doing him, maybe Lue is scared Reggie will be too hurt by a demotion at this point, I don't know his personality that intimately to know.
