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Post#201 » by GTR11 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:07 pm

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The people who use that term to describe this situation are unhinged.


I think this is actually being too kind to the people using that term ("buck-breaking").

I think accusing others of racism in a situation like this -- i.e. where a black person has done something unacceptable and is being held accountable for it -- is a weak, low-character, petulant, destructive and dishonest move. Sadly, this type of race-baiting has become pretty common, and it's a major contributing factor IMHO to the growing divisiveness in our society.

Throughout human history race, religion and nationality always been reason for wars and genocide. Resources only became factor since 1900+.

Kyrie deciding to talk about history brings race and religion factor into sport business industry. You best bet owners and Silver will fight against it till death.
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Post#202 » by ChuckS » Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:35 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:
The people who use that term to describe this situation are unhinged.


I think this is actually being too kind to the people using that term ("buck-breaking").

I think accusing others of racism in a situation like this -- i.e. where a black person has done something unacceptable and is being held accountable for it -- is a weak, low-character, petulant, destructive and dishonest move. Sadly, this type of race-baiting has become pretty common, and it's a major contributing factor IMHO to the growing divisiveness in our society.



Until this post, I didn't understand the furor over this analogy I now understand it as believed to be being used as a false accusation of racism. But since racism was the reason for "buck-breaking" I probably should have. I thought the expression was logical to use as an example of humiliating, and putting ANYONE in their place. Actually, I think it is still valid for that purpose. But perhaps the original racial origin cannot be ignored, so I now understand the rancor.

My discomfort, in this instant case, is what I see as an effort to make KAI eat crap. What does it say to find him not guilty of antisemitism but still insist on such remedial training? I still believe this requirement and most of this punishment is demeaning and excessive. Whether the "buck breaking" analogy is appropriate, I leave to individual interpretation.
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Re: Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay 

Post#203 » by CalamityX12 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 5:59 pm

Am I wrong to be irked by Jaylen Brown and his comments as a rep for the NBAPA?

For me, you(Brown/NBAPA) didn't say squat nor took action when all of this began. Now you're chiming your two cents or stance on Kyrie's current suspension?

The players union lost me if this how they'll condone it going forward. As everyone has already posted, its' not an arm or leg that Kyrie needs to cut off here. Social Media is turning this into racial imprisonment which is so far off the charts that it bares no ground for this stand on.

Being held accountable is not discrimination.
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CalamityX12 wrote:Am I wrong to be irked by Jaylen Brown and his comments as a rep for the NBAPA?

For me, you(Brown/NBAPA) didn't say squat nor took action when all of this began. Now you're chiming your two cents or stance on Kyrie's current suspension?

The players union lost me if this how they'll condone it going forward. As everyone has already posted, its' not an arm or leg that Kyrie needs to cut off here. Social Media is turning this into racial imprisonment which is so far off the charts that it bares no ground for this stand on.

Being held accountable is not discrimination.


Kyrie is being asked to attend training and speak to the people whose lives are put in danger by the type of propaganda he promoted. The notion that Kyrie is a victim, or is being racially discriminated against because he's being asked to be held accountable for his actions for the first time in his life is a load of crap.

Meyers Leonard was blacklisted from the sport after he got caught using a racial slur for Jewish people on a video game live stream. Maybe Jaylen Brown would prefer that the league and Nets say nothing and just shut Kyrie down completely? Idiot
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Re: Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay 

Post#205 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:25 pm

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Riconet wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
The people who use that term to describe this situation are unhinged.


I think this is actually being too kind to the people using that term ("buck-breaking").

I think accusing others of racism in a situation like this -- i.e. where a black person has done something unacceptable and is being held accountable for it -- is a weak, low-character, petulant, destructive and dishonest move. Sadly, this type of race-baiting has become pretty common, and it's a major contributing factor IMHO to the growing divisiveness in our society.



Until this post, I didn't understand the furor over this analogy I now understand as believed to be being used as a false accusation of racism. But since racism was the reason for "buck-breaking" I probably should have. I thought the expression was logical to use as an example of humiliating, and putting ANYONE in their place. Actually, I think it is still valid for that purpose. But perhaps the original racial origin cannot be ignored, so I now understand the rancor.

My discomfort, in this instant case, is what I see as an effort to make KAI eat crap. What does it say to find him not guilty of antisemitism but still insist on such remedial training? I still believe this requirement and most of this punishment is demeaning and excessive. Whether the "buck breaking" analogy is appropriate, I leave to individual interpretation.


Taking a sensitivity class and asking Kyrie to have a sit down with community leaders in the city to talk isn't the same as Kyrie being stripped naked against his will, beaten brutally across his back with a bullwhip and then being raped up his ass by a slave master in front of other slaves. It's a disgusting analogy.

He also isn't being forced to do this against his will. He is free to refuse, and he can then sit out the remaining months that are left of his NBA career.

I dunno. I don't think a lot is being asked of him at all considering the circumstances. People act like he's being asked to give up a limb when in reality, this is pretty lenient. He also was the one who a) chose to promote that video, and b) get in front of the media and double down.

He did this to himself.
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Post#206 » by Riconet » Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:34 pm

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Until this post, I didn't understand the furor over this analogy I now understand as believed to be being used as a false accusation of racism. But since racism was the reason for "buck-breaking" I probably should have. I thought the expression was logical to use as an example of humiliating, and putting ANYONE in their place. Actually, I think it is still valid for that purpose. But perhaps the original racial origin cannot be ignored, so I now understand the rancor.

My discomfort, in this instant case, is what I see as an effort to make KAI eat crap. What does it say to find him not guilty of antisemitism but still insist on such remedial training? I still believe this requirement and most of this punishment is demeaning and excessive. Whether the "buck breaking" analogy is appropriate, I leave to individual interpretation.


But why does it have to be interpreted as making Kyrie eat crap? Kyrie broadcasted a bigoted message to millions of people, then refused to admit it and got into petulant arguments with the media about it, also in front of millions of people. He embarrassed the Nets and the NBA. For over a week, he didn't take his employer's calls or return their calls or texts. Then, only after getting suspended, he issued a written apology that someone else probably wrote.

Is it not reasonable for the Nets to want a bit more than that? He's more or less the face of the franchise, and they've paid him over $100MM. We can quibble over the particular items that they asked for, but shouldn't the Nets be entitled to have him speak, on camera, about his mistakes and make it clear that he understands that what he did was bigoted and wrong? They aren't asking him to tell the world that he's a slave and Joe Tsai is his master -- they just want him to make it clear that he's not a bigot and that the Nets don't pay a bigot $36MM per year. For that matter, shouldn't he want to speak publicly and make it clear that he's not a bigot?
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Post#208 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:55 pm

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fam I heard this same stuff when Bill Cosby got sent to jail for drugging and raping women. There's this idea among us that says well, if other powerful white men can get away murder, then so should powerful black men...and I find that to be asinine. No one should get away with anything. People should be held accountable for their actions. If you or I did what Kyrie did, our employers would fire us with just cause.

I understand Shannon's point, and in no way do I put what Kyrie did on the same level as Kanye who is just a disgusting, hate filled human being. But I don't see what is excessive about any of the things being asked of him. Most of the list can be handled before noon if Kyrie wanted to. He has plenty of free time.

Either way, none of this even comes to this had Kyrie apologized at that press conference instead of doing what he did. This is his own fault.

Also, again, Meyers Leonard, a white man, was immediately blacklisted for what he did. Kyrie is still being given a chance. I don't see where he's being unfairly punished or is some kind of victim.
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Post#209 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:59 pm

Riconet wrote:
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Until this post, I didn't understand the furor over this analogy I now understand as believed to be being used as a false accusation of racism. But since racism was the reason for "buck-breaking" I probably should have. I thought the expression was logical to use as an example of humiliating, and putting ANYONE in their place. Actually, I think it is still valid for that purpose. But perhaps the original racial origin cannot be ignored, so I now understand the rancor.

My discomfort, in this instant case, is what I see as an effort to make KAI eat crap. What does it say to find him not guilty of antisemitism but still insist on such remedial training? I still believe this requirement and most of this punishment is demeaning and excessive. Whether the "buck breaking" analogy is appropriate, I leave to individual interpretation.


But why does it have to be interpreted as making Kyrie eat crap? Kyrie broadcasted a bigoted message to millions of people, then refused to admit it and got into petulant arguments with the media about it, also in front of millions of people. He embarrassed the Nets and the NBA. For over a week, he didn't take his employer's calls or return their calls or texts. Then, only after getting suspended, he issued a written apology that someone else probably wrote.

Is it not reasonable for the Nets to want a bit more than that? He's more or less the face of the franchise, and they've paid him over $100MM. We can quibble over the particular items that they asked for, but shouldn't the Nets be entitled to have him speak, on camera, about his mistakes and make it clear that he understands that what he did was bigoted and wrong? They aren't asking him to tell the world that he's a slave and Joe Tsai is his master -- they just want him to make it clear that he's not a bigot and that the Nets don't pay a bigot $36MM per year. For that matter, shouldn't he want to speak publicly and make it clear that he's not a bigot?



The Nets aren't even asking him to get in front of a camera or anything. They just want him to attend a stupid ass class and speak to Jewish leaders in a private closed session. What's outrageous about that?

Maybe these same people who think Kyrie, who makes millions of dollars to play basketball, is being harshly punished will be satisfied when he gets blacklisted. I dunno what to tell you.
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Post#210 » by NetsWorld » Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:22 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Riconet wrote:
ChuckS wrote:
Until this post, I didn't understand the furor over this analogy I now understand as believed to be being used as a false accusation of racism. But since racism was the reason for "buck-breaking" I probably should have. I thought the expression was logical to use as an example of humiliating, and putting ANYONE in their place. Actually, I think it is still valid for that purpose. But perhaps the original racial origin cannot be ignored, so I now understand the rancor.

My discomfort, in this instant case, is what I see as an effort to make KAI eat crap. What does it say to find him not guilty of antisemitism but still insist on such remedial training? I still believe this requirement and most of this punishment is demeaning and excessive. Whether the "buck breaking" analogy is appropriate, I leave to individual interpretation.


But why does it have to be interpreted as making Kyrie eat crap? Kyrie broadcasted a bigoted message to millions of people, then refused to admit it and got into petulant arguments with the media about it, also in front of millions of people. He embarrassed the Nets and the NBA. For over a week, he didn't take his employer's calls or return their calls or texts. Then, only after getting suspended, he issued a written apology that someone else probably wrote.

Is it not reasonable for the Nets to want a bit more than that? He's more or less the face of the franchise, and they've paid him over $100MM. We can quibble over the particular items that they asked for, but shouldn't the Nets be entitled to have him speak, on camera, about his mistakes and make it clear that he understands that what he did was bigoted and wrong? They aren't asking him to tell the world that he's a slave and Joe Tsai is his master -- they just want him to make it clear that he's not a bigot and that the Nets don't pay a bigot $36MM per year. For that matter, shouldn't he want to speak publicly and make it clear that he's not a bigot?



The Nets aren't even asking him to get in front of a camera or anything. They just want him to attend a stupid ass class and speak to Jewish leaders in a private closed session. What's outrageous about that?

Maybe these same people who think Kyrie, who makes millions of dollars to play basketball, is being harshly punished will be satisfied when he gets blacklisted. I dunno what to tell you.



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Re: Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay 

Post#211 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 pm

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But why does it have to be interpreted as making Kyrie eat crap? Kyrie broadcasted a bigoted message to millions of people, then refused to admit it and got into petulant arguments with the media about it, also in front of millions of people. He embarrassed the Nets and the NBA. For over a week, he didn't take his employer's calls or return their calls or texts. Then, only after getting suspended, he issued a written apology that someone else probably wrote.

Is it not reasonable for the Nets to want a bit more than that? He's more or less the face of the franchise, and they've paid him over $100MM. We can quibble over the particular items that they asked for, but shouldn't the Nets be entitled to have him speak, on camera, about his mistakes and make it clear that he understands that what he did was bigoted and wrong? They aren't asking him to tell the world that he's a slave and Joe Tsai is his master -- they just want him to make it clear that he's not a bigot and that the Nets don't pay a bigot $36MM per year. For that matter, shouldn't he want to speak publicly and make it clear that he's not a bigot?



The Nets aren't even asking him to get in front of a camera or anything. They just want him to attend a stupid ass class and speak to Jewish leaders in a private closed session. What's outrageous about that?

Maybe these same people who think Kyrie, who makes millions of dollars to play basketball, is being harshly punished will be satisfied when he gets blacklisted. I dunno what to tell you.



I say we trade both and tank for Victor. Get picks from a **** team looking to contend. Victor is the future


If we tank and land the #1, it goes to Houston :cry:

Marks screwed us so badly its not even funny
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Post#212 » by Eatgreenz » Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:36 pm

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fam I heard this same stuff when Bill Cosby got sent to jail for drugging and raping women. There's this idea among us that says well, if other powerful white men can get away murder, then so should powerful black men...and I find that to be asinine. No one should get away with anything. People should be held accountable for their actions. If you or I did what Kyrie did, our employers would fire us with just cause.

I understand Shannon's point, and in no way do I put what Kyrie did on the same level as Kanye who is just a disgusting, hate filled human being. But I don't see what is excessive about any of the things being asked of him. Most of the list can be handled before noon if Kyrie wanted to. He has plenty of free time.

Either way, none of this even comes to this had Kyrie apologized at that press conference instead of doing what he did. This is his own fault.

Also, again, Meyers Leonard, a white man, was immediately blacklisted for what he did. Kyrie is still being given a chance. I don't see where he's being unfairly punished or is some kind of victim.

Bro its not that we should go scoth free we shouldnt but its fact that same energy is not be applied n thats were its looks fishy. As in are we working for equality for all or just Jewish people. Meyers had to get blacklisted cuz he was literally shouting out slurs aint no coming back from that, it almost like the media is tryna make it seem like kyrie did same as him. I do agree with you he should of apologized but his pride got in the way when got goof balls like nick fridell tryna poke at you and make you feel you stupid.
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Post#213 » by Riconet » Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:06 pm

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I've heard this refrain a number of times -- i.e. "why do black people have to grovel and apologize when they make a mistake but white people don't?"

It is complete BS.

I haven't seen anyone making this argument cite even one example of a white person saying something bigoted and not having to face the music for it. Shannon Sharpe is talking about something Trump said about American Jews vs Israeli Jews -- really? Trump is widely despised, was impeached, was not re-elected and is under continuous legal and social harassment (not to mention that anything he said about Jews was nowhere near what Kyrie did, plus Trump has a Jewish daughter and Jewish grandchildren and was very pro-Israel as president).

Where are the examples of non-black sports or entertainment figures slurring blacks and not having to publicly repent?

There aren't any, at least not in the last 5-10 years. (And there shouldn't be. When you're a celebrity and you act in a bigoted manner, you need to publicly apologize and make amends. That applies to everyone, including Kyrie.)
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Post#214 » by ChuckS » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:58 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Riconet wrote:
ChuckS wrote:
Until this post, I didn't understand the furor over this analogy I now understand as believed to be being used as a false accusation of racism. But since racism was the reason for "buck-breaking" I probably should have. I thought the expression was logical to use as an example of humiliating, and putting ANYONE in their place. Actually, I think it is still valid for that purpose. But perhaps the original racial origin cannot be ignored, so I now understand the rancor.

My discomfort, in this instant case, is what I see as an effort to make KAI eat crap. What does it say to find him not guilty of antisemitism but still insist on such remedial training? I still believe this requirement and most of this punishment is demeaning and excessive. Whether the "buck breaking" analogy is appropriate, I leave to individual interpretation.


But why does it have to be interpreted as making Kyrie eat crap? Kyrie broadcasted a bigoted message to millions of people, then refused to admit it and got into petulant arguments with the media about it, also in front of millions of people. He embarrassed the Nets and the NBA. For over a week, he didn't take his employer's calls or return their calls or texts. Then, only after getting suspended, he issued a written apology that someone else probably wrote.

Is it not reasonable for the Nets to want a bit more than that? He's more or less the face of the franchise, and they've paid him over $100MM. We can quibble over the particular items that they asked for, but shouldn't the Nets be entitled to have him speak, on camera, about his mistakes and make it clear that he understands that what he did was bigoted and wrong? They aren't asking him to tell the world that he's a slave and Joe Tsai is his master -- they just want him to make it clear that he's not a bigot and that the Nets don't pay a bigot $36MM per year. For that matter, shouldn't he want to speak publicly and make it clear that he's not a bigot?



The Nets aren't even asking him to get in front of a camera or anything. They just want him to attend a stupid ass class and speak to Jewish leaders in a private closed session. What's outrageous about that?

Maybe these same people who think Kyrie, who makes millions of dollars to play basketball, is being harshly punished will be satisfied when he gets blacklisted. I dunno what to tell you.



Feel free to take points off for a late apology, probably co-written with an advisor, but in his name, and with his approval. The league and team have found him not to be an anti Semite. But I still think he said he hated no group, or something to that effect, in his initial inquisition with the reporter. But even if not, he and the union did not, at least to this point, grieve the suspension. I think because of the sensitivity of the subject. It seems staggering so I hope my math is right, but that would be two and a quarter million dollars, plus a half million if the contribution to an anti-hate group is still in play. Add to that over $451,000.00 dollars for each additional missed game without pay, and pretty soon we'll be talking real money. He made a mistake posting something potentially harmful, but which were not his words, and which was already public record. For that he paid a huge price with public scorn, censure, disgrace, and possibly immeasurable harm to his future livelihood. The fact that some believe that is not already adequate is frightening.
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Post#215 » by NetsWorld » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:17 pm

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The Nets aren't even asking him to get in front of a camera or anything. They just want him to attend a stupid ass class and speak to Jewish leaders in a private closed session. What's outrageous about that?

Maybe these same people who think Kyrie, who makes millions of dollars to play basketball, is being harshly punished will be satisfied when he gets blacklisted. I dunno what to tell you.



I say we trade both and tank for Victor. Get picks from a **** team looking to contend. Victor is the future


If we tank and land the #1, it goes to Houston :cry:

Marks screwed us so badly its not even funny


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Post#216 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:18 pm

Eatgreenz wrote:
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fam I heard this same stuff when Bill Cosby got sent to jail for drugging and raping women. There's this idea among us that says well, if other powerful white men can get away murder, then so should powerful black men...and I find that to be asinine. No one should get away with anything. People should be held accountable for their actions. If you or I did what Kyrie did, our employers would fire us with just cause.

I understand Shannon's point, and in no way do I put what Kyrie did on the same level as Kanye who is just a disgusting, hate filled human being. But I don't see what is excessive about any of the things being asked of him. Most of the list can be handled before noon if Kyrie wanted to. He has plenty of free time.

Either way, none of this even comes to this had Kyrie apologized at that press conference instead of doing what he did. This is his own fault.

Also, again, Meyers Leonard, a white man, was immediately blacklisted for what he did. Kyrie is still being given a chance. I don't see where he's being unfairly punished or is some kind of victim.

Bro its not that we should go scoth free we shouldnt but its fact that same energy is not be applied n thats were its looks fishy. As in are we working for equality for all or just Jewish people. Meyers had to get blacklisted cuz he was literally shouting out slurs aint no coming back from that, it almost like the media is tryna make it seem like kyrie did same as him. I do agree with you he should of apologized but his pride got in the way when got goof balls like nick fridell tryna poke at you and make you feel you stupid.


I disagree bro...this isn't about equality, it's about accountability and folks not wanting Kyrie to be held accountable -again- for f*cking up.

The NBA kicked out two white owners within the last 20 years for being racist, and blacklisted another white player for antisemitism. How is the energy different? Kyrie has been given multiple chances to make this right even before he got suspended and he refused, and only apologized after the Nets threw the hammer down and it became clear to him that he just flushed his career down the toilet.

I know our instinct is to circle the wagons to protect one of our own, but Kyrie is not a victim here. He's being asked to do mundane tasks (outside of the $500k part. I don't agree with that) and hasn't had his contract terminated. What kind of offense is being committed against him?

If you have an issue with Joe Tsai being the one to hand out this punishment, I feel you 100%. I hope this situation renews the scrutiny on Joe Tsai's activity in China and he gets forced to sell the team. But I don't see Kyrie being wronged here in any fashion.
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But why does it have to be interpreted as making Kyrie eat crap? Kyrie broadcasted a bigoted message to millions of people, then refused to admit it and got into petulant arguments with the media about it, also in front of millions of people. He embarrassed the Nets and the NBA. For over a week, he didn't take his employer's calls or return their calls or texts. Then, only after getting suspended, he issued a written apology that someone else probably wrote.

Is it not reasonable for the Nets to want a bit more than that? He's more or less the face of the franchise, and they've paid him over $100MM. We can quibble over the particular items that they asked for, but shouldn't the Nets be entitled to have him speak, on camera, about his mistakes and make it clear that he understands that what he did was bigoted and wrong? They aren't asking him to tell the world that he's a slave and Joe Tsai is his master -- they just want him to make it clear that he's not a bigot and that the Nets don't pay a bigot $36MM per year. For that matter, shouldn't he want to speak publicly and make it clear that he's not a bigot?



The Nets aren't even asking him to get in front of a camera or anything. They just want him to attend a stupid ass class and speak to Jewish leaders in a private closed session. What's outrageous about that?

Maybe these same people who think Kyrie, who makes millions of dollars to play basketball, is being harshly punished will be satisfied when he gets blacklisted. I dunno what to tell you.



Feel free to take points off for a late apology, probably co-written with an advisor, but in his name, and with his approval. The league and team have found him not to be an anti Semite. But I still think he said he hated no group, or something to that effect, in his initial inquisition with the reporter. But even if not, he and the union did not, at least to this point, grieve the suspension. I think because of the sensitivity of the subject. It seems staggering so I hope my math is right, but that would be two and a quarter million dollars, plus a half million if the contribution to an anti-hate group is still in play. Add to that over $451,000.00 dollars for each additional missed game without pay, and pretty soon we'll be talking real money. He made a mistake posting something potentially harmful, but which were not his words, and which was already public record. For that he paid a huge price with public scorn, censure, disgrace, and possibly immeasurable harm to his future livelihood. The fact that some believe that is not already adequate is frightening.


I have no issue with the apology, nor do I agree with the half a million dollar fine as it is outside the bounds of the CBA.

But what is frightening about Kyrie having to attend sensitivity training and speaking with Jewish leaders in Brooklyn? They're not making him get on TV and beg for his job back. How is any of this demeaning or frightening? Maybe I'm missing something.

And remember: This would have never gotten out of hand had Kyrie just said sorry and disavowed the content on the film. It would have taken 30 seconds.

It's on him. The same way I've had dudes say to my face that Britney Griner deserved to be thrown in a Russian penal colony for having weed, saying its on her for bringing hash into Russia, but yet think Kyrie is being oppressed for having to make amends after he went off the rails. I'll keep that same energy: It's all on him.
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Re: Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay 

Post#218 » by Eatgreenz » Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:24 am

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fam I heard this same stuff when Bill Cosby got sent to jail for drugging and raping women. There's this idea among us that says well, if other powerful white men can get away murder, then so should powerful black men...and I find that to be asinine. No one should get away with anything. People should be held accountable for their actions. If you or I did what Kyrie did, our employers would fire us with just cause.

I understand Shannon's point, and in no way do I put what Kyrie did on the same level as Kanye who is just a disgusting, hate filled human being. But I don't see what is excessive about any of the things being asked of him. Most of the list can be handled before noon if Kyrie wanted to. He has plenty of free time.

Either way, none of this even comes to this had Kyrie apologized at that press conference instead of doing what he did. This is his own fault.

Also, again, Meyers Leonard, a white man, was immediately blacklisted for what he did. Kyrie is still being given a chance. I don't see where he's being unfairly punished or is some kind of victim.

Bro its not that we should go scoth free we shouldnt but its fact that same energy is not be applied n thats were its looks fishy. As in are we working for equality for all or just Jewish people. Meyers had to get blacklisted cuz he was literally shouting out slurs aint no coming back from that, it almost like the media is tryna make it seem like kyrie did same as him. I do agree with you he should of apologized but his pride got in the way when got goof balls like nick fridell tryna poke at you and make you feel you stupid.


I disagree bro...this isn't about equality, it's about accountability and folks not wanting Kyrie to be held accountable -again- for f*cking up.

The NBA kicked out two white owners within the last 20 years for being racist, and blacklisted another white player for antisemitism. How is the energy different? Kyrie has been given multiple chances to make this right even before he got suspended and he refused, and only apologized after the Nets threw the hammer down and it became clear to him that he just flushed his career down the toilet.

I know our instinct is to circle the wagons to protect one of our own, but Kyrie is not a victim here. He's being asked to do mundane tasks (outside of the $500k part. I don't agree with that) and hasn't had his contract terminated. What kind of offense is being committed against him?

If you have an issue with Joe Tsai being the one to hand out this punishment, I feel you 100%. I hope this situation renews the scrutiny on Joe Tsai's activity in China and he gets forced to sell the team. But I don't see Kyrie being wronged here in any fashion.

Okay i see were you are coming from now with accountability. That I can agree with Kyrie should of owned this and apologized even if he didnt mean it just so we can get back to bball. Yea there defiantly is a problem with Tsai giving out the punishment when he has major dirt that needs to be brought to light.
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Re: Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay 

Post#219 » by gigantes » Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:50 am

MrDollarBills wrote:It's on him. The same way I've had dudes say to my face that Britney Griner deserved to be thrown in a Russian penal colony for having weed, saying its on her for bringing hash into Russia, but yet think Kyrie is being oppressed for having to make amends after he went off the rails. I'll keep that same energy: It's all on him.

The other problem (maybe the real problem?) with Griner is that she took Russian oligarch money for many years during the offseasons before finally being caught up in a snafu, perhaps a political stunt or perhaps not.

Eatgreenz wrote:...Yea there defiantly is a problem with Tsai giving out the punishment when he has major dirt that needs to be brought to light.

I see some people here keep bringing up Tsai's "major dirt" like a schoolyard accusation, but what "major dirt" are you actually accusing him of?

So he toed the CCP's line about everything being fine & dandy with the Uyghur peoples. Yes, it's a horrible thing to say, but every other mainlander or Han with strong CCP / family ties around the world is forced to say the same thing.

Do you actually expect him to step in front of a mic and commit political and financial suicide by going to bat for the Uyghurs / Tibetans / HKers / Taiwanese?
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Re: Nets suspend Kyrie Irving at least five games without pay 

Post#220 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:04 am

As if it wasn't clear that Kyrie leaked the list (since Shams broke the story), here's further evidence as the reporting is that the Nets have not confirmed the 6 part list. I know leaks are common now, but Kyrie publicizing it could have been some more gasoline added to the fire.

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