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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#481 » by Feed Your Head » Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:09 pm

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Most Complete Player: Jayson Tatum
This label does not mean Tatum is the best player in the world. Instead, view it as a way to mark his remarkable development. It’s Year 6 and the fat has been sizzled entirely out of his game. No star has fewer weaknesses.

Tatum can shoot, pass, dribble, rebound, defend, read the floor, draw fouls, and score from all three levels in myriad ways—posting up on the block, isolating on the wing, functioning in pick-and-rolls as both a ball handler and screener—at an elite level. He’s averaging a whopping 32.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 4.1 assists per game, shooting 50 percent from the floor, 59.6 percent inside the arc, and 38.7 percent from 3-point range on 9.5 tries a night.

As a bona fide MVP candidate who would scoot past Luka in this very column if his supporting cast wasn’t so much more impressive than Doncic’s—whose best teammate this season has been Spencer Dinwiddie—it’s all coming together. Tatum has touch, footwork, every ballhandling counter in the book, and a brain that seamlessly combines all of it without wasting any movement. He’s taking 4.4 more free throw attempts than his career average and shooting 81.4 percent at the rim.

Again, this doesn’t mean he’s “better” than Doncic, Curry, or Jokic, but none are ever asked to guard the other team’s best player, or able to help (he’s currently averaging the same number of blocks per game as Jarrett Allen) like the conservatively measured 6-foot-8 Tatum can. This doesn’t mean he’s better than Giannis. But when defenses load in the paint, Tatum has no problem creating a high-percentage shot by himself from the perimeter, then reliably making eight (not six) out of every 10 free throws. (It’s hard to think of any other player better than Tatum right now.)

Tatum controls games without dominating the ball. His fingerprints are all over this four-point swing:

He enhances Boston’s actions with the selflessness of a star who understands when to impose himself on a game and when to turn a defense’s aggression against itself.

Whenever healthy over the past few years, Kawhi Leonard was this guy, an all-around menace whose skill set was a perfect mesh of dominance and malleability. The closest thing to a create-a-player who turns every category up to 95. Tatum has officially grabbed that torch, and at 24 years old is still getting better. Nothing looks hard because he can now do everything so well.
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#482 » by bisme37 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:10 pm

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Most Complete Player: Jayson Tatum
This label does not mean Tatum is the best player in the world. Instead, view it as a way to mark his remarkable development. It’s Year 6 and the fat has been sizzled entirely out of his game. No star has fewer weaknesses.

Tatum can shoot, pass, dribble, rebound, defend, read the floor, draw fouls, and score from all three levels in myriad ways—posting up on the block, isolating on the wing, functioning in pick-and-rolls as both a ball handler and screener—at an elite level. He’s averaging a whopping 32.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 4.1 assists per game, shooting 50 percent from the floor, 59.6 percent inside the arc, and 38.7 percent from 3-point range on 9.5 tries a night.

As a bona fide MVP candidate who would scoot past Luka in this very column if his supporting cast wasn’t so much more impressive than Doncic’s—whose best teammate this season has been Spencer Dinwiddie—it’s all coming together. Tatum has touch, footwork, every ballhandling counter in the book, and a brain that seamlessly combines all of it without wasting any movement. He’s taking 4.4 more free throw attempts than his career average and shooting 81.4 percent at the rim.

Again, this doesn’t mean he’s “better” than Doncic, Curry, or Jokic, but none are ever asked to guard the other team’s best player, or able to help (he’s currently averaging the same number of blocks per game as Jarrett Allen) like the conservatively measured 6-foot-8 Tatum can. This doesn’t mean he’s better than Giannis. But when defenses load in the paint, Tatum has no problem creating a high-percentage shot by himself from the perimeter, then reliably making eight (not six) out of every 10 free throws. (It’s hard to think of any other player better than Tatum right now.)

Tatum controls games without dominating the ball. His fingerprints are all over this four-point swing:



He enhances Boston’s actions with the selflessness of a star who understands when to impose himself on a game and when to turn a defense’s aggression against itself.



Whenever healthy over the past few years, Kawhi Leonard was this guy, an all-around menace whose skill set was a perfect mesh of dominance and malleability. The closest thing to a create-a-player who turns every category up to 95. Tatum has officially grabbed that torch, and at 24 years old is still getting better. Nothing looks hard because he can now do everything so well.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/11/14/23456714/nba-awards-luka-doncic-jayson-tatum
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Re: Jayson Tatum Thread: Part Deuce 

Post#483 » by bisme37 » Mon Nov 14, 2022 6:11 pm

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Post#484 » by zoyathedestroya » Mon Nov 14, 2022 7:03 pm

Greatest improvement in my book is him doing all this without dominating the ball. We already know what he can do as a ballhandler. But Mazzulla ball has him (and JB) giving up the ball, cutting hard, screening for others, slipping screens, flaring for threes, etc. Mentioned in the Hauser thread how his point per touch has skyrocketed from his previous high. Fantasies from years past coming true! Orgasmic. Just elevated our offense to a whole nother level.

It's different from the way Warriors do it too. He's not being asked to run around at break-neck speed constantly like an idiot. Just decisive, timed movement. (Cs average third least distance traveled and 5th least speed on offense).
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His next big jump is to not be officiated like this. Imagine if they T’d up Lebron for something this minor?
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Post#489 » by sam_I_am » Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:38 pm

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His next big jump is to not be officiated like this. Imagine if they T’d up Lebron for something this minor?


I heard Ja Morant also tweeted about this. The best players tuned in to see Shai play against Tatum…..interesting.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#490 » by jmr07019 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:08 pm

Thunder are better than many, myself included, gave them credit for going into the game. I don’t see them tanking this year. Too much talent.
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Post#491 » by playa-hater » Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:27 pm

jmr07019 wrote:Thunder are better than many, myself included, gave them credit for going into the game. I don’t see them tanking this year. Too much talent.


Not sure they need to tank anymore.. they have what a 100 draft picks coming. They have already many young highly drafted players.. They already play with good energy. SGA is the "veteran" they need to lead the way. One thing every competitive team needs is a pecking order. They have the first in SGA. Not sure who is/will be there second.. They, when healthy, also have some size/length. They will keep getting better. Just how fast remains to be seen.
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Post#496 » by bisme37 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 4:25 pm

Hoopshype: Nine players taking a leap this season

Jayson Tatum (Boston)

Speaking of Tatum, the No. 2 player this season in our Global Rating metric also sits Top 10 in Win Shares per 48 minutes, BPM and VORP, per Basketball-Reference, as the former Duke standout has the Boston Celtics looking like the favorites to win the Eastern Conference, if not the outright championship, with his play.

Boston currently sits with a 12-3 record, first in the East, with the best net rating in the NBA at plus-7.7. That is in no small part thanks to Tatum, who has been spectacular on the year, averaging 31.1 points, 7.4 rebounds, 4.1 assists and 1.4 blocks on a career-best 48.1 percent field-goal percentage.

It might be cliche to say, but Tatum’s 2022-23 has all of the classic makings of a superstar coming out on fire due to having a chip on their shoulder after falling just short of a championship the year prior. The fact Tatum’s play was lackluster (by his standards) in the Finals defeat to Golden State has probably only further fueled his outstanding start to the year.

One of the biggest factors to Tatum’s success has been his tougher approach to the game, attacking aggressively more often and getting to the foul stripe more than ever. Tatum is shooting a career-high 9.1 free throws this year, nearly 3.0 more than his previous career-best rate. He’s also shattering his previous career-high mark in free-throw rate, now at 0.433; his previous best mark, back in 2017-18, was 0.309.

All in all, that final step Tatum took to get to the foul line more has changed his game and made him an even bigger superstar in today’s NBA.


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Post#497 » by jmr07019 » Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:39 pm

Free throw rate.... which is simply FT/FGA ....

Career - .277
Last Year - .300
Career High - .309
This Year - .433

All that complaining to the refs is finally paying off
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Post#498 » by playa-hater » Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:08 pm

They have been complaints, by me included, that Tatum settles too much from 3, even when he is ice cold and out of rhythm. Combine that when he is crushing most times going at the Rim. Frustrating in close games.

But I am convinced the main reason he does that has not been discussed. Tatum is or has been getting fatigued. When a player is fatigued, he tends to just settle. Tired legs = less shooting efficiency. But it is a Lot less energy expended doing that vs driving hard and maybe getting knocked to the floor.

I am really starting to get worried that Tatum will be burned out and have a similar ending like last year if Boston isn't careful.

The solution is to "try" to lessen his minutes a bit. Not an easy task since Tatum is such a monster with the 2nd unit and his +/- overall. He is on an MVP run and wants to play. But I don't want to win the battle but lose the war. Once we get Brogdon and Smart back, I really want a few less min per from Tatum. Give more minutes to Hauser and Grant if necessary.

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Post#499 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:14 pm

Short sample size obviously, but god damn. All time best PPP for 30 ppg scorers.

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Post#500 » by BK_2020 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 3:17 pm

playa-hater wrote:They have been complaints, by me included, that Tatum settles too much from 3, even when he is ice cold and out of rhythm. Combine that when he is crushing most times going at the Rim. Frustrating in close games.

But I am convinced the main reason he does that has not been discussed. Tatum is or has been getting fatigued. When a player is fatigued, he tends to just settle. Tired legs = less shooting efficiency. But it is a Lot less energy expended doing that vs driving hard and maybe getting knocked to the floor.

I am really starting to get worried that Tatum will be burned out and have a similar ending like last year if Boston isn't careful.

The solution is to "try" to lessen his minutes a bit. Not an easy task since Tatum is such a monster with the 2nd unit and his +/- overall. He is on an MVP run and wants to play. But I don't want to win the battle but lose the war. Once we get Brogdon and Smart back, I really want a few less min per from Tatum. Give more minutes to Hauser and Grant if necessary.

just a thought.

My thoughts exactly. Tatum should play 34ish minutes per game in the regular season and also should work on his fadeaway game. He's already got the Kobe drop step in the post, now needs a counter. That would let him start more possessions closer to the basket and spend less energy.

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