Joel: unchained.

[spikeslovechild]

Tales of Joel Embiid's demise were greatly exaggerated.

If only we had Jarrett Allen

[Eyeamok]

On any other team the fans would have nothing but praise for Joel's performance. I come here and along with praise I read "hate". Well he should do it when etc. Come on people (the doubters and the haters) enjoy the man while you can. It was a historic night by a Superstar savor the moment. Or can you not enjoy it because you are not truly fans?

[Negrodamus]

We need three more 40+pt games from him in a row to get on the top five all time list of consecutive 40 pt games (MJ/Kobe at number 1 with 9 games, a few guys tied at 5).

[Stanford]

Tales of Joel Embiid's demise were greatly exaggerated.

If only we had Jarrett Allen

[elchengue20]

You never trade a true superstar and get better. Embiid will be a sixer as long as he wants maybe even longer than he wants unless Morey gets his act together

Not true.


Well see in the Playoffs. This is the last chance i give him to be truly dominant when it matters. If not, ii rather trade him for 5 picks + prospects type of package while i can and start to rebuild strong.

I rather pull an AD like trade just like NO did than keep trying to win with a player who isnt realiable phisically and mentally to be a #1.

Hope Jojo proves me wrong, i always loved his game and potential but he has never put it all together when it matters the most. This is the last season we should wait for it. Hes not a kid anymore and given his injury profile hes going to decline faster than the average player.

Some people just want to see the world burn.

Scoring 59 against a team built to be in the lottery wont change my opinion.

Kyrie scored 60 against the Magic last season. It isnt that big of a deal.

I been one of Jojo biggests fans here. Always sayed to build around him and get Ben outta here.

Im just starting to realize hes never going to be reliable enough phisically and mentally to be our #1 and lead us to a championship. To me its championship or bust.

Im have not seen anything this season that tells me he has taken the next step. He dissaparead against Boston in opening night and he still has "multiple injuries" as always. This is the last shot to prove he can be that player. He has to be dominant in the Playoffs or im moving on with a haul of assets while we can.

[Bum Adebayo]

Not true.


Well see in the Playoffs. This is the last chance i give him to be truly dominant when it matters. If not, ii rather trade him for 5 picks + prospects type of package while i can and start to rebuild strong.

I rather pull an AD like trade just like NO did than keep trying to win with a player who isnt realiable phisically and mentally to be a #1.

Hope Jojo proves me wrong, i always loved his game and potential but he has never put it all together when it matters the most. This is the last season we should wait for it. Hes not a kid anymore and given his injury profile hes going to decline faster than the average player.

Some people just want to see the world burn.

Scoring 59 against a team built to be in the lottery wont change my opinion.

Kyrie scored 60 against the Magic last season. It isnt that big of a deal.

I been one of Jojo biggests fans here. Always sayed to build around him and get Ben outta here.

Im just starting to realize hes never going to be reliable enough phisically and mentally to be our #1 and lead us to a championship. To me its championship or bust.

Im have not seen anything this season that tells me he has taken the next step. He dissaparead against Boston in opening night and he still has "multiple injuries" as always. This is the last shot to prove he can be that player. He has to be dominant in the Playoffs or im moving on with a haul of assets while we can.

Yeah one of his biggest fans my ass, you are an Embiid hater period. Besides, what would we accomplish by trading him exactly? the offer would be much worse than having Embiid himself, whyare you not asking to build a competent team around Embiid for once? a supporting cast that fits nicely with him, with 3pt shooting and not full of traffic cones on D and unathletic players?

[Bum Adebayo]

Embiid doesn't have the required spacing around him to operate properly, Tobias Harris is not a high-volume 3pt shooter, Maxey release not quick enough to be constant 3pt threat catch and shoot + low release point, James Soften is on vacation mode already, Thybulle is useless of offense, PJ Tucker washed up and extremely low volume, Danuel House sucks and washed up.
I mean, what are we even talking about here blaming Embiid on anything? Sixers org has falied him with this atrocity of a team.

[Jailblazers7]

This game was just a good reminder on why Embiid gets doubled so much. They played single coverage a ton and he made them pay. I was mostly encouraged that he made good, quick reads whenever a double came so he was able to punish any coverage they threw at him.

Utah is a good team I wouldn’t scoff at him being able to dominate them the way he did.

[spikeslovechild]

Not true.


Well see in the Playoffs. This is the last chance i give him to be truly dominant when it matters. If not, ii rather trade him for 5 picks + prospects type of package while i can and start to rebuild strong.

I rather pull an AD like trade just like NO did than keep trying to win with a player who isnt realiable phisically and mentally to be a #1.

Hope Jojo proves me wrong, i always loved his game and potential but he has never put it all together when it matters the most. This is the last season we should wait for it. Hes not a kid anymore and given his injury profile hes going to decline faster than the average player.

Some people just want to see the world burn.

Scoring 59 against a team built to be in the lottery wont change my opinion.

Kyrie scored 60 against the Magic last season. It isnt that big of a deal.

I been one of Jojo biggests fans here. Always sayed to build around him and get Ben outta here.

Im just starting to realize hes never going to be reliable enough phisically and mentally to be our #1 and lead us to a championship. To me its championship or bust.

Im have not seen anything this season that tells me he has taken the next step. He dissaparead against Boston in opening night and he still has "multiple injuries" as always. This is the last shot to prove he can be that player. He has to be dominant in the Playoffs or im moving on with a haul of assets while we can.

Even if I took everything you said at face value this team is built to win now. There is no other option except to move forward. If Embiid needs more help then it's on Morey to get that help.

Furthermore if it doesn't work out and we are not legit contenders in the near future you won't have to wait to move him he'll probably at some point ask out. His patience isn't unlimited unlike some fans here he wants to win.

[TeamHigh]

Im just starting to realize hes never going to be reliable enough phisically and mentally to be our #1 and lead us to a championship. To me its championship or bust.

Im have not seen anything this season that tells me he has taken the next step. He dissaparead against Boston in opening night and he still has "multiple injuries" as always. This is the last shot to prove he can be that player. He has to be dominant in the Playoffs or im moving on with a haul of assets while we can.

By your own criteria, no one outside of Steph, LeBron, and Giannis has shown they're a #1 who can lead a team to a championship. And even Giannis doesn't look like that all the time. Pretty much every other superstar has come up small at times in the playoffs, and most of them have better situations around them than Embiid has. The fact that none of them had to deal with Ben Simmons as their #2 is proof enough of that.

You're getting clowned on because you don't trade superstars if you're looking to win. Superstars, especially those in their prime, pretty much never get equal value back in a trade. And even if you count all the future equity you might get back via picks, they don't help you win a title now or in the immediate future. Not to mention that if you trade him to a competent organization with a decent coach and a few legit 3&D players (aka not Tobi), we'll probably have to watch him absolutely tear up the league en route to playoff success he never had while here.

[GoSixersBro]

It's a long season. Important not to get too emotional of Embiid's peaks and valleys this early on. He's going to have the bad body language games / Chik-Fil-A milkshake speed games, and then he's going to have historical performances like Sunday. Hopefully we see more of the latter, but we will probably be pretty happy with him by the All-Star break.

Once April comes, however, we absolutely need to see that next level.

[eyeatoma]

Tales of Joel Embiid's demise were greatly exaggerated.

If only we had Jarrett Allen

Bruh... I'm dead

That thread makes, assfault, looking like a quality thread.

[elchengue20]

Im just starting to realize hes never going to be reliable enough phisically and mentally to be our #1 and lead us to a championship. To me its championship or bust.

Im have not seen anything this season that tells me he has taken the next step. He dissaparead against Boston in opening night and he still has "multiple injuries" as always. This is the last shot to prove he can be that player. He has to be dominant in the Playoffs or im moving on with a haul of assets while we can.

By your own criteria, no one outside of Steph, LeBron, and Giannis has shown they're a #1 who can lead a team to a championship. And even Giannis doesn't look like that all the time. Pretty much every other superstar has come up small at times in the playoffs, and most of them have better situations around them than Embiid has. The fact that none of them had to deal with Ben Simmons as their #2 is proof enough of that.

You're getting clowned on because you don't trade superstars if you're looking to win. Superstars, especially those in their prime, pretty much never get equal value back in a trade. And even if you count all the future equity you might get back via picks, they don't help you win a title now or in the immediate future. Not to mention that if you trade him to a competent organization with a decent coach and a few legit 3&D players (aka not Tobi), we'll probably have to watch him absolutely tear up the league en route to playoff success he never had while here.

Giannis doesn't look like that? Lol, last year they lost, but he was sensationtal. Giannis is on another dimension as a player. He has really figured it out. His mindset is miles better than Embiid, and he's also reliable phisically.

I'm not even asking Embiid to win the championship, im asking him to show he's a championship calibeer #1. The reality of the situation is he always have some injury bothering him when it matters the most, and/or he dissapears when things get really difficult or the pressure is high, showing terrible bad language, bad decision making and no leadership at all.

If he was a 23/24/25 years old i could understand he was learning to win. Every Superstar does. But now the patience is little to none. It's time to prove he can do it.

Also, given his injury history, hes probably going to decline in his early 30's. Im just saying trading its starting to be not that crazy of an idea. Speacily if the team is flawed, stuck in the treadmil and with no assets to improve.

[spikeslovechild]

Tales of Joel Embiid's demise were greatly exaggerated.

If only we had Jarrett Allen

Bruh... I'm dead

That thread makes, assfault, looking like a quality thread.

It sort of the Dunning-Kruger effect NBA casuals are convinced that Embiid is so much worse than his boxscore stats.

It reminds me way back when before Deandre completely fell off that I got into with it with a LAC who was convinced Deandre was better than Shaq. His TS was better. His WS/48 was better (since been adjusted and fixed)

[eyeatoma]

If only we had Jarrett Allen

Bruh... I'm dead

That thread makes, assfault, looking like a quality thread.

It sort of the Dunning-Kruger effect NBA casuals are convinced that Embiid is so much worse than his boxscore stats.

It reminds me way back when before Deandre completely fell off that I got into with it with a LAC who was convinced Deandre was better than Shaq. His TS was better. His WS/48 was better (since been adjusted and fixed)

All they care about there in the GB are advanced stats. They refuse to actually watch the game.

[76ciology]

Im just starting to realize hes never going to be reliable enough phisically and mentally to be our #1 and lead us to a championship. To me its championship or bust.

Im have not seen anything this season that tells me he has taken the next step. He dissaparead against Boston in opening night and he still has "multiple injuries" as always. This is the last shot to prove he can be that player. He has to be dominant in the Playoffs or im moving on with a haul of assets while we can.

By your own criteria, no one outside of Steph, LeBron, and Giannis has shown they're a #1 who can lead a team to a championship. And even Giannis doesn't look like that all the time. Pretty much every other superstar has come up small at times in the playoffs, and most of them have better situations around them than Embiid has. The fact that none of them had to deal with Ben Simmons as their #2 is proof enough of that.

You're getting clowned on because you don't trade superstars if you're looking to win. Superstars, especially those in their prime, pretty much never get equal value back in a trade. And even if you count all the future equity you might get back via picks, they don't help you win a title now or in the immediate future. Not to mention that if you trade him to a competent organization with a decent coach and a few legit 3&D players (aka not Tobi), we'll probably have to watch him absolutely tear up the league en route to playoff success he never had while here.

Giannis doesn't look like that? Lol, last year they lost, but he was sensationtal. Giannis is on another dimension as a player. He has really figured it out. His mindset is miles better than Embiid, and he's also reliable phisically.

I'm not even asking Embiid to win the championship, im asking him to show he's a championship calibeer #1. The reality of the situation is he always have some injury bothering him when it matters the most, and/or he dissapears when things get really difficult or the pressure is high, showing terrible bad language, bad decision making and no leadership at all.

If he was a 23/24/25 years old i could understand he was learning to win. Every Superstar does. But now the patience is little to none. It's time to prove he can do it.

Also, given his injury history, hes probably going to decline in his early 30's. Im just saying trading its starting to be not that crazy of an idea. Speacily if the team is flawed, stuck in the treadmil and with no assets to improve.

Agree.

Everyone here wants to win the championship. And winning a championship needs an honest evaluation of Embiid.

What you dont want to happen is putting Embiid over the team and thinking that winning a championship either requires embiid or requires revolving the team around Embiid

Winning a championship requires the right shade of Embiid to the overall picture.

[Bum Adebayo]

By your own criteria, no one outside of Steph, LeBron, and Giannis has shown they're a #1 who can lead a team to a championship. And even Giannis doesn't look like that all the time. Pretty much every other superstar has come up small at times in the playoffs, and most of them have better situations around them than Embiid has. The fact that none of them had to deal with Ben Simmons as their #2 is proof enough of that.

You're getting clowned on because you don't trade superstars if you're looking to win. Superstars, especially those in their prime, pretty much never get equal value back in a trade. And even if you count all the future equity you might get back via picks, they don't help you win a title now or in the immediate future. Not to mention that if you trade him to a competent organization with a decent coach and a few legit 3&D players (aka not Tobi), we'll probably have to watch him absolutely tear up the league en route to playoff success he never had while here.

Giannis doesn't look like that? Lol, last year they lost, but he was sensationtal. Giannis is on another dimension as a player. He has really figured it out. His mindset is miles better than Embiid, and he's also reliable phisically.

I'm not even asking Embiid to win the championship, im asking him to show he's a championship calibeer #1. The reality of the situation is he always have some injury bothering him when it matters the most, and/or he dissapears when things get really difficult or the pressure is high, showing terrible bad language, bad decision making and no leadership at all.

If he was a 23/24/25 years old i could understand he was learning to win. Every Superstar does. But now the patience is little to none. It's time to prove he can do it.

Also, given his injury history, hes probably going to decline in his early 30's. Im just saying trading its starting to be not that crazy of an idea. Speacily if the team is flawed, stuck in the treadmil and with no assets to improve.

Agree.

Everyone here wants to win the championship. And winning a championship needs an honest evaluation of Embiid.

What you dont want to happen is putting Embiid over the team and thinking that winning a championship either requires embiid or requires revolving the team around Embiid

Winning a championship requires the right shade of Embiid to the overall picture.

Honest evaluation, the team around Embiid sucks, the end.

[76ciology]

Giannis doesn't look like that? Lol, last year they lost, but he was sensationtal. Giannis is on another dimension as a player. He has really figured it out. His mindset is miles better than Embiid, and he's also reliable phisically.

I'm not even asking Embiid to win the championship, im asking him to show he's a championship calibeer #1. The reality of the situation is he always have some injury bothering him when it matters the most, and/or he dissapears when things get really difficult or the pressure is high, showing terrible bad language, bad decision making and no leadership at all.

If he was a 23/24/25 years old i could understand he was learning to win. Every Superstar does. But now the patience is little to none. It's time to prove he can do it.

Also, given his injury history, hes probably going to decline in his early 30's. Im just saying trading its starting to be not that crazy of an idea. Speacily if the team is flawed, stuck in the treadmil and with no assets to improve.

Agree.

Everyone here wants to win the championship. And winning a championship needs an honest evaluation of Embiid.

What you dont want to happen is putting Embiid over the team and thinking that winning a championship either requires embiid or requires revolving the team around Embiid

Winning a championship requires the right shade of Embiid to the overall picture.

Honest evaluation, the team around Embiid sucks, the end.

[Mik317]

its not about putting Embiid above the team..its about the reality that as currently built...he is the only reason the team is relevant lol. Trading him for a Rudy package is probably the only move left but don't get it twisted that will probably mean at least 5 years again before even getting to this current stage of depression again lol.

The fact that we are sad and crying over second round losses is something I think people take for granted a bit. Been a fan since the AI 01 run and that means I have sat through a lot of 42-42 seasons, in which we were a lock to get gentlemen's swept most of the time, pick 13th in a draft and hope we got a steal , we never did get said steal, and did it again the following season. That was the norm for like a decade lol. I personally don't have faith in this current team to win anything (honestly think we might ironically be back in the above situation as a first round exit lol) BUT as long as we have Embiid, we have a chance at a fluke run if nothing else. This time last year no one had the finals as Celtics/Warriors as the Celtics were on the verge of implosion and the Warriors were a nice story but not a "real" contender. **** happens. I again doubt it happens for us as the coach and basic roster make up is just not good but having a star means you are never truly out of it even flawed stars like Embiid.

So again the inevitable trade might happen and might lead to a chip...but idk the last 10 years proved how difficult it is to get that guy again even flawed ones and in this league having a dude who wants to stay isn't something to sneeze at either. IMO you don't trade a star unless he asks out or is going to be a FA

BUT due to our franchise being ran by dopes...may not have a choice lol

[Bum Adebayo]

its not about putting Embiid above the team

It kinda is, though. Embiid IS the team, the others are just scrubs in comparison, we need to maximize Embiid, it's the best chance we have to win, unless a better player than him comes here.