2023 NBA Draft

Post #721 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:57 am

Justin Edwards gotta be rethinking that UK commit haha. Man Cal seriously has no idea how to incorporate wings into his lineup, it just blows my mind. But if youre a big man, Im knocking people over to play there.

clyde21 · Post #722 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 2:58 am

Duke4life831 wrote:Justin Edwards gotta be rethinking that UK commit haha. Man Cal seriously has no idea how to incorporate wings into his lineup, it just blows my mind. But if youre a big man, Im knocking people over to play there.

bigs or guards yes, wings nope. Cal should just stick to transfers or graduates to fill his wings and consolidate the offers to everything else.

Post #723 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 3:21 am

clyde21 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Justin Edwards gotta be rethinking that UK commit haha. Man Cal seriously has no idea how to incorporate wings into his lineup, it just blows my mind. But if youre a big man, Im knocking people over to play there.

bigs or guards yes, wings nope. Cal should just stick to transfers or graduates to fill his wings and consolidate the offers to everything else.

Yup he should look at wings like Jacob Grandison who Duke got in the transfer portal this summer. 6'7 does pretty much nothing but can defend and shoot 3s for 20-25 minutes a game. Load up with your elite guards and elite big men in recruiting, then get some solid old experienced wings that can do the small things that is needed.

Now to be fair to Cal, its not like any of those wings he has gotten have gone on to do great things elsewhere. So there is that. But he gets legit nothing out of his wings. Even if these guys were all bust when it comes to NBA prospects, he shouldve been able to squeeze some college production out of these guys.

But ya when you watch them play, it really isnt all that hard to see why this has become a trend. If you didnt remind me of Livingston, I wouldve legit forgot he played today. Cal's offense can turn so guard/big men heavy pretty quick. If youre chilling out on the wing, youre just not going to get any touches.

clyde21 · Post #724 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:40 am

nice to see Proc playing well now, love his game if he can put it together

Post #725 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:41 am

clyde21 wrote:nice to see Proc playing well now, love his game if he can put it together

He is running the PnR really well right now. NBA has to love seeing that.

clyde21 · Post #726 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:48 am

lol this Duke team is still without DWH...embarrassment of riches

Post #727 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:53 am

clyde21 wrote:lol this Duke team is still without DWH...embarrassment of riches

Im loving it. We're running PnRs, we are letting bigs like Flip touch the ball out on the perimeter and make moves. Plug in Whitehead with this team, cant wait!!!

But ya already in love with Scheyer. With K Proctor would just be chilling in the corner. With Scheyer made the adjustment at half time and just let him run PnR and he's looked great. Weird seeing actual offensive systems and adjustments in a Duke game haha.

WargamesX · Post #728 » by **WargamesX** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:54 am

I am going to get on that Brandon Miller train early and say he is looking like a top #10 pick if he keeps his production up.

Post #729 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:59 am

If Flip becomes a 3-4 year guy at Duke. He is the obvious choice for the next super hated Dukie.

clyde21 · Post #730 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:15 am

Mark Mitchell has terrible BBIQ

CptCrunch · Post #731 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:27 am

What a horrible last 3 minutes of basketball from Duke. Lively out also? Whitehead injured. Mitchell is terrible. Flip seems too good to be a multi-year player, too bad to be a lotto OAD.

Post #732 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:36 am

Fun game. The wheels came off in the final 5 minutes. But all fixable stuff. If Flip starts doing his biggest strength (hitting jumpshots) he is going to be damn good this year. That dude has that dog in him.

But ya after running good offensive sets for the majority of the game, boy they sure did fall back to the "someone just try and do something" offense in those final 5 minutes haha.

Whitehead should fix a good amount of issues with the team.

My biggest take away from a draft perspective, Lively looks rough. If you tuned into just this game, youd think Flip was the big man that was known for defense. Lively looked low effort and lost defensively. Also had a few open looks from 3 but didnt even think about shooting. There kind of goes his whole pick and pop ability that he was supposed to bring.

Post #733 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:40 am

CptCrunch wrote:What a horrible last 3 minutes of basketball from Duke. Lively out also? Whitehead injured. Mitchell is terrible. Flip seems too good to be a multi-year player, too bad to be a lotto OAD.

Lively played, just inconsistent minutes because he wasnt any good.

I know it wont happen, but id love for Flip to be Duke's Timme and just stick around for awhile.

clyde21 · Post #734 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:55 am

im not sure what Lively does to have him rated so highly coming out HS, seems very ordinary in every way, and this isn't hindsight didn't get it watching him at that level either

Ware is so much better than Lively in almost every way, and is an actual NBA level athlete

Post #735 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:01 am

clyde21 wrote:im not sure what Lively does to have him rated so highly coming out HS, seems very ordinary in every way, and this isn't hindsight didn't get it watching him at that level either

Ware is so much better than Lively in almost every way, and is an actual NBA level athlete

Really mobile with a 7'8 wingspan and is supposed to be a legit pick and pop guy.

But with that said, I do have a feeling Lively is a guy lots of analysts picked early on thinking he would take that next level but never did and just didnt want to budge and admit he isnt that guy. Because Im with you, I kept on (still want to) buy the hype. But whenever I watched a full game of his against legit guys, lots of time I forgot he was even out there. Same thing tonight the only reason I didnt forget he was out there was because he was constantly getting abused on the defensive end.

clyde21 · Post #736 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:01 am

Flip is most likely a OAD but yea, not a lotto guy by any stretch

The-Power · Post #737 » by **The-Power** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:02 am

clyde21 wrote:im not sure what Lively does to have him rated so highly coming out HS, seems very ordinary in every way, and this isn't hindsight didn't get it watching him at that level either

Ware is so much better than Lively in almost every way, and is an actual NBA level athlete

Super long shot blocking C who looks skilled and mobile enough at the HS level that people talk themselves into that player being a legit perimeter threat. This type of player has been highly ranked since forever but they rarely pan out these days.

clyde21 · Post #738 » by **clyde21** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:07 am

The-Power wrote:
clyde21 wrote:im not sure what Lively does to have him rated so highly coming out HS, seems very ordinary in every way, and this isn't hindsight didn't get it watching him at that level either

Ware is so much better than Lively in almost every way, and is an actual NBA level athlete

Super long shot blocking C who looks skilled and mobile enough at the HS level that people talk themselves into that player being a legit perimeter threat. This type of player has been highly ranked since forever but they rarely pan out these days.

i don't see great pass blocking chops from him, maybe it's early and he'll adjust but at this point doesn't look like a 1st rounder, and in HS a lot of these bigs can be deceiving just bc they are so much bigger than everyone else and have enough athleticism and ball skills to dominate but most of the time it's not scalable at all

but yea, comp him to Kel'El who's a similar archetype and he just looks way more dominant right now, and is an absurd athlete in ways Lively isn't despite Lively being mobile himself

Post #739 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:32 am

On paper I totally get the Lively hype. Again legit 7 footer with a 7'8 wingspan and ya maybe not the most vertical athlete (not bad in that department) but without a doubt extremely mobile for his size. Then add in the good shooting form and shooting touch from the perimeter. Thats all check check check, for all the things you look for in a big in today's game.

But ya something just isnt there. Whether its a lack of fire or what. The size and mobility really doesnt matter if you dont know where to be defensively. Then the whole shooting thing doesnt really matter either if you dont even look at the basket when youre open on the perimeter.

BostonCouchGM · Post #740 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:40 am

Lively just chose the wrong school. They run the offense through Flip and he's left as an afterthought with no plays run for him and no scoring chances except in fast breaks or offensive rebounds. College game really does centers no favors so they'd be better served by going to a smaller school that will showcase them rather than be lost in the shuffle at a major.

I'm really impressed with Kansas' program. Their ability to take the toolsy 3 star guys and have them improve each season until they make an NBA player out of them is impressive. Jalen Wilson is that guy taking after Braun and Agbaji.