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[thebuzzardman]

Beefing with fans LIE
Inefficient scorer IMPROVING
Makes dumb decisions with the ball on offense
Lackluster defensive effort. LIE

Randle and RJ might as well be twins.

Nice troll job but, I'm not the one bruh. RJ may need to clean up some things but, other than being inefficient for a couple of years he is nothing like Boolius.

My biggest issue with RJ is when he plays with his head down. He can go solo a little too often at times. It is what it is. He is nothing like Randle though. Two completely different players.

They are both selfish in different ways.

Randle because he holds onto the ball.

RJ because he shoots it whenever he touches the ball. Yes, it's an exaggeration, sue me. But just to provide some evidence, among high-usage players (>24 usage rate and >30 minutes per game), RJ ranks 48 out of 54 in assists per game. Definition of a chucker.

They are both delusional about their abilities as well. The way they carry themselves doesn't match how good they are.

They are both try-hards.

I think the "RJ is selfish" thing is kind of silly.

I just think he plays a way that isn't efficient.
I see Randle do things that are more obviously egregious, but maybe he too just doesn't know any better.

Really, they are just a terrible fit together.

I don't even want to debate their overall ability, who is better etc - ultimately, neither are good starters.
Thibs just compounds it by playing them together.
Fournier made it worse.

Maybe Elf and Bullocks covered up some of their defensive sins and Foolius was happy because he could dominate the offense, but all that was self limiting in other ways, from Elf's horrible offense, to Bullocks limited skill set, etc etc.

Knicks basically have one NBA starter in Brunson - not an allstar, but a legitimate starter, and an adequate C tandem by today's standards, in Mitch and Sims (f*ck Shart, he's nothing, I was wrong)

After that, they have a kind of deep bench, but still searching for 3 starters.

Thibs makes it worse by playing the worst combination of guys possible, for 90% of the games.

[WargamesX]

I agree, but I can't remember a regime that is full sending a .500 record...like this is the most mid team maybe in NBA history.

If .500 gets them in the play in Dolan is happy.

Dolan was fuming 2 games ago with getting embarrassed by OKC. Dolan wants a star more than anything.

To justify raising ticket prices

[thebuzzardman]

He’s been fantastic and I love how he’s found his way. He’s not pressing and hunting shots, attacking the rim aggressively and he’s been knocking down the 3s too. Love what Im seeing from him, so much better than Fournier.

Now we need to replace Randle with Obi and we will see improvements and would be more entertaining to watch

He's still pretty young. Maybe he's a late bloomer. I love what I'm seeing.

How is Obi more entertaining g to watch? He doesn't do anything but leak out and shoot wide open 3s.

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He's not overdribbling the ball, doing dumb stuff on offense 5 times a game and not taking revenge shots or drives several times a game that almost always end up in misses or turnovers?

I'd find that more interesting

[thebuzzardman]

Sorry to be really down on RJ. I've gone back and forth on him over first 3 years and had settled into basically pro RJ, lets give him some time, but after the contract and that this is 4th NBA season but he's basically the same player?

He's just not that good. He's ok. It's not a sin to be "ok".

In my opinion, he's more likely to play within the concept than Randle, who seems to freelance out of control, so MAYBE in that regard I'd support RJ starting over Randle, but the reality is, both of them starting is just a horrible fit and nothing would save that tandem. I don't think a star wing next to RJ and Randle would fix them.

One has to go. I'll try to not be too angry at either of them as the Knicks continue to suck because of their pairing until the day one is traded, but as long as they are 2/5ths the starting rotation, team is going nowhere.

Fournier vs Grimes vs Cam vs IQ not changing that equation. They just buff the RJ-Randle treadmill a bit.

[DOT]

I turned it off at halftime. Need my beauty rest lol

Good to see Reddish having 2 good games in a row. He just needs to be consistent, he has time the rest of the year to do so, but I'm still standing by my prior statements until he shows more than just flashes. Also, he's still out of position on defense more often than not, which is a big problem and if he would fix that, he'd be one of the best wing defenders in the league

RJ just needs to be better, plain and simple. I can forgive him having a bad game or 2 every once in a while, but he needs to be consistently good outside of them, which he still really hasn't been. I'm more lenient with him than Cam because he's shown more consistency in his career and he's also like a year younger, but similar situation. Year 4, need to see more

Honestly though, this team is just treading water until we trade for a star. And if we can't by this offseason, the window has passed, and we honestly should just blow it up. We'd be in a fantastic position to do so, since we already have a good amount of excess picks, but we won't. We need top tier talent, and we don't have that. None of our current players are it, and none of them have the potential to be it. And they all kind of don't fit with each other anyways. So I'm kind of disinterested in the team until we make a move, but because Leon kinda sucks, I'm not expecting anything

Oh, and fire Thibs too. He's not the sole problem, but he is a problem.

[Jalen Bluntson]

They are both selfish in different ways.

Randle because he holds onto the ball.

RJ because he shoots it whenever he touches the ball. Yes, it's an exaggeration, sue me. But just to provide some evidence, among high-usage players (>24 usage rate and >30 minutes per game), RJ ranks 48 out of 54 in assists per game. Definition of a chucker.

They are both delusional about their abilities as well. The way they carry themselves doesn't match how good they are.

They are both try-hards.

They are two different players. RJ is also 5 years younger. More likely learning bad habits from Julius than anything else. RJ moves the ball more and moves without the ball more. He plays better defnese more often and he's more team oriented and plays at a faster pace.

The only thing they have in common is inefficient scoring. That's it. RJ does put his head down at times and it does bother me when he drives and can't finish. They are two completely different players though.

Randle walks around the court most of the time. Plays zero defense. Thinks he's Kobe. There's a huge difference in the way they play. Randle passes more because most of them are bail outs at the end of the clock.

It's lazy comparisons lumping the two together. I still have a little faith in RJ improving some of his flaws. Randle will not change at all.

RJ was like this at Duke as well. It was one of his red flags. Several scouts pointed out his selfishness, especially on a team with Zion. So it's not Randle's fault that RJ plays as selfishly as he does. This trait precedes Randle.

But if anything, I blame Thibs and the organization for enabling his worst tendencies and not correcting them as part of his development. RJ is the definition of a chucker and a black hole at this point. Many people celebrated his selfish chase for 20ppg last year as if it meant something, but personally it just made me sad.

There are some stylistic differences (even though they're both boring to watch) but sorry, they have more than a few traits in common.

They are both inefficient. They are both selfish. They are both boring to watch. They are both physical/aggressive players who lack athleticism. They are both try-hards. They both drop the ball on defense. They both got over $100 million from the Knicks. The only difference is that Randle's a ball-hog, while RJ is a chucker. And yes, age, but Randle was 22 once.

Well...you can keep saying it but it's not true. Two completely different players with similar flaws is all you got. I agree with some of this and that's all. RJ is a better team player on every level. Boring to watch? That's your opinion. It is meaningless to the point I am making. Money? Meaningless. Don't pile in nonsense to try and make a point that still falls short.

[DaGawd]

Sorry to be really down on RJ. I've gone back and forth on him over first 3 years and had settled into basically pro RJ, lets give him some time, but after the contract and that this is 4th NBA season but he's basically the same player?

He's just not that good. He's ok. It's not a sin to be "ok".

In my opinion, he's more likely to play within the concept than Randle, who seems to freelance out of control, so MAYBE in that regard I'd support RJ starting over Randle, but the reality is, both of them starting is just a horrible fit and nothing would save that tandem. I don't think a star wing next to RJ and Randle would fix them.

One has to go. I'll try to not be too angry at either of them as the Knicks continue to suck because of their pairing until the day one is traded, but as long as they are 2/5ths the starting rotation, team is going nowhere.

Fournier vs Grimes vs Cam vs IQ not changing that equation. They just buff the RJ-Randle treadmill a bit.

fair take on rj. he’s not a scrub.. but he’s not really good either… he’s just… mid

[thebuzzardman]

The unholy alliance of Thibs and Scott Perry keep gassing up Randle and overplaying him as both of staked their current employment on him.

Different people might have decided to start Randle at C or made him a 6th man backing up Obi and Mitch/Sims, but Thibs is running scared and Perry encourages it.

At least someone in the FO had the vision to try and trade RJ if the team insisted on the madness of having Randle and a limited C playing together all the time.

I'd say let that guy make decisions, as perhaps it was someone with bball acumen, but then I realized it was probably Thibs and Perry fighting for their jobs so forget about it

[DOT]

Sorry to be really down on RJ. I've gone back and forth on him over first 3 years and had settled into basically pro RJ, lets give him some time, but after the contract and that this is 4th NBA season but he's basically the same player?

He's just not that good. He's ok. It's not a sin to be "ok".

In my opinion, he's more likely to play within the concept than Randle, who seems to freelance out of control, so MAYBE in that regard I'd support RJ starting over Randle, but the reality is, both of them starting is just a horrible fit and nothing would save that tandem. I don't think a star wing next to RJ and Randle would fix them.

One has to go. I'll try to not be too angry at either of them as the Knicks continue to suck because of their pairing until the day one is traded, but as long as they are 2/5ths the starting rotation, team is going nowhere.

Fournier vs Grimes vs Cam vs IQ not changing that equation. They just buff the RJ-Randle treadmill a bit.

Yeah, he's just kinda okay

Like, if everything breaks right, I keep saying it, but his ceiling is Khris Middleton. Fringe All Star territory. Playstyle, maybe more similar to All Star season Julius though, but that same level where he's not good enough to lead a team, but could be a secondary option with a good enough first option

Which is disappointing yes, but I think some people go overboard with him because of him not living up to expectations, especially with Ja and Garland being so good

It is what it is with him. Year 4, he needs to show more consistency. But as I said in my other post, we're just treading water because we have no top tier talent, and none which will develop from within. We're a poorly constructed team

C'est la vie.

[thebuzzardman]

Sorry to be really down on RJ. I've gone back and forth on him over first 3 years and had settled into basically pro RJ, lets give him some time, but after the contract and that this is 4th NBA season but he's basically the same player?

He's just not that good. He's ok. It's not a sin to be "ok".

In my opinion, he's more likely to play within the concept than Randle, who seems to freelance out of control, so MAYBE in that regard I'd support RJ starting over Randle, but the reality is, both of them starting is just a horrible fit and nothing would save that tandem. I don't think a star wing next to RJ and Randle would fix them.

One has to go. I'll try to not be too angry at either of them as the Knicks continue to suck because of their pairing until the day one is traded, but as long as they are 2/5ths the starting rotation, team is going nowhere.

Fournier vs Grimes vs Cam vs IQ not changing that equation. They just buff the RJ-Randle treadmill a bit.

fair take on rj. he’s not a scrub.. but he’s not really good either… he’s just… mid

And so is Randle, in a different way.

Randle has more skills and ability, but his stubbornness to do dumb stuff on offense and low effort on defense bring him right down to RJ level.
And make them a terrible fit together.

[3toheadmelo]

RJ is nothing like Middleton. Complete opposite playing style.

[DaGawd]

RJ is nothing like Middleton. Complete opposite playing style.

who tf said he’s like middleton?????

[thebuzzardman]

Sorry to be really down on RJ. I've gone back and forth on him over first 3 years and had settled into basically pro RJ, lets give him some time, but after the contract and that this is 4th NBA season but he's basically the same player?

He's just not that good. He's ok. It's not a sin to be "ok".

In my opinion, he's more likely to play within the concept than Randle, who seems to freelance out of control, so MAYBE in that regard I'd support RJ starting over Randle, but the reality is, both of them starting is just a horrible fit and nothing would save that tandem. I don't think a star wing next to RJ and Randle would fix them.

One has to go. I'll try to not be too angry at either of them as the Knicks continue to suck because of their pairing until the day one is traded, but as long as they are 2/5ths the starting rotation, team is going nowhere.

Fournier vs Grimes vs Cam vs IQ not changing that equation. They just buff the RJ-Randle treadmill a bit.

Yeah, he's just kinda okay

Like, if everything breaks right, I keep saying it, but his ceiling is Khris Middleton. Fringe All Star territory. Playstyle, maybe more similar to All Star season Julius though, but that same level where he's not good enough to lead a team, but could be a secondary option with a good enough first option

Which is disappointing yes, but I think some people go overboard with him because of him not living up to expectations, especially with Ja and Garland being so good

It is what it is with him. Year 4, he needs to show more consistency. But as I said in my other post, we're just treading water because we have no top tier talent, and none which will develop from within. We're a poorly constructed team

C'est la vie.

Randle and RJ are the main poor fit. It's compounded by other lesser bad decisions.
This FO had 3 opportunities to not explore this pairing over the course of 3 years and did it anyway.

For all the "but Bullocks/Fournier/Burks/Elf/Noel/Obi/Grimes/IQ/Mitch/even Brunson sucks" noise, this is their primary sin and why all of them should be fired.

[DaGawd]

Sorry to be really down on RJ. I've gone back and forth on him over first 3 years and had settled into basically pro RJ, lets give him some time, but after the contract and that this is 4th NBA season but he's basically the same player?

He's just not that good. He's ok. It's not a sin to be "ok".

In my opinion, he's more likely to play within the concept than Randle, who seems to freelance out of control, so MAYBE in that regard I'd support RJ starting over Randle, but the reality is, both of them starting is just a horrible fit and nothing would save that tandem. I don't think a star wing next to RJ and Randle would fix them.

One has to go. I'll try to not be too angry at either of them as the Knicks continue to suck because of their pairing until the day one is traded, but as long as they are 2/5ths the starting rotation, team is going nowhere.

Fournier vs Grimes vs Cam vs IQ not changing that equation. They just buff the RJ-Randle treadmill a bit.

Yeah, he's just kinda okay

Like, if everything breaks right, I keep saying it, but his ceiling is Khris Middleton. Fringe All Star territory. Playstyle, maybe more similar to All Star season Julius though, but that same level where he's not good enough to lead a team, but could be a secondary option with a good enough first option

Which is disappointing yes, but I think some people go overboard with him because of him not living up to expectations, especially with Ja and Garland being so good

It is what it is with him. Year 4, he needs to show more consistency. But as I said in my other post, we're just treading water because we have no top tier talent, and none which will develop from within. We're a poorly constructed team

C'est la vie.

i see rj best case scenario being harrison barnes

[F N 11]

DNP Fournier to actually see what Cam has? How long would this last? This can’t be real life.

[3toheadmelo]

RJ is nothing like Middleton. Complete opposite playing style.

who tf said he’s like middleton?????

A couple posters keep posting that comparison and it’s terrible

[thebuzzardman]

Chanel should post a long victory essay as he's the real winner over all these unholy forum alliances

[F N 11]

we need more Randle...he was close trying to pull that one out with a -13

Obi should of finished but Thibs has no guts. He even went back to RJ late to make it look like he would bench RJ while going back to Randle. Dude is all politics.

[3toheadmelo]

Chanel should post a long victory essay as he's the real winner over all these unholy forum alliances

Clyde style would take the essay personally and tell him to stop posting thinking everyone will agree with him

[thebuzzardman]

Where I'm at now:

I see RJ and Randle on the floor together and I'm disgusted.

I know at best they'll be a couple of decent plays and the rest of it just crap.

Just waiting for one or both to sub out.

Life as a Knicks fan.

Once again on the 3 or 4 year wait for a pair of contracts to expire.