NBPA VP Jaylen Brown Concerned Kyrie Irving Hasn't Been Reinstated, 'Time For Larger Conversation'

[Roy T]

Cmon folks we have a new team to start up in Mexico City. We don't want these types of things going on over there either lets just sweep Tsai, Sliver & Kyrie & their personal crusades/ political messaging under the bus for a minute & lets concentrate on the game of basketball

It will be fun to see the NBA work with the mexican cartels to launder their drug money through an NBA Team.

[alienpick]

The only thing worse than being an idiot, is defending one.

... but Tsai is such a likeable guy. How can you not want to defend him?

[DimesandKnicks]

I could be wrong but this seems to be about a slave being defiant! How dare you not take the vaccine! How dare you try to find knowledge of self or who your natural enemy is. Every living creature in this world has a natural enemy. The Most High has a natural enemy.

If anything the anger should be geared toward amazon platform but it's not. Why? Is it because the NBA is planning to do business with Amazon?

It is giving off a bit of that vibe isn't it? I don't agree with the stance that we have "natural enemies" within our own species based on some kind of genetic or tribal affinity, but if someone holds that opinion in private, it's none of my business, nor anyone else's really.

RE: "if someone holds that opinion in private"

What part of anything Kyrie Irving does has been private?

He engages combatively with the media constantly about his fringe beliefs -- flat earth, vaccine, anti-semitism etc -- I doubt he's the only idiot among the 500 NBA players, but he's for sure one of the most visible and vocal idiots, one of the highest paid (by highly-valued brands that will protect their image), and one of the least available on-court.

I don't see much racism here. Myers Leonard got the boot. Donald Sterling got the boot. This is just how corporate values work. Irving is falling victim to his own choices.

Talented knuckleheads have talked/played themselves out of a roster/job/the league plenty of times before.

Whenever headache/injury exceeds production on-court and/or dollars produced off-court, it ends fast. For anyone.

Thinking back off-the-cuff: Arenas, Iverson, Francis, Marbury, Baron Davis, Larry Sanders, Melo (briefly), Kanter etc... all lost their mins and/or jobs entirely, at least 3, 4, 5 years sooner than was necessary.

Kyrie Irving and Ben Simmons are very likely the next items added to this never ending list

Nick Cannon had an interesting conversation with the CEO of the Anti-defamation league about how people in the black community see this as “Buck Breaking”. Ironically the FREAKING CEO OF THE ADL had no clue what that term meant.

[alienpick]

I wonder whether Jaylen thinks part of the "larger conversation" should be to consider what was done to Donald Sterling and Robert Sarver.

completely different circumstances. both of them we outright and verbal about their bigotry and offences. Kyrie linked a video available on Amazon for reasons other than it's anti-semitic views.

This would be completely different if he was caught bashing jews on tape.

[FreeBoosie]

Jaylen Brown ftw. It's time someone called these hypocrites out and he has the balls to do it. Really hope more players start speaking up like this.

[_BALLDONTLIE]

I could be wrong but this seems to be about a slave being defiant! How dare you not take the vaccine! How dare you try to find knowledge of self or who your natural enemy is. Every living creature in this world has a natural enemy. The Most High has a natural enemy.

If anything the anger should be geared toward amazon platform but it's not. Why? Is it because the NBA is planning to do business with Amazon?

It is giving off a bit of that vibe isn't it? I don't agree with the stance that we have "natural enemies" within our own species based on some kind of genetic or tribal affinity, but if someone holds that opinion in private, it's none of my business, nor anyone else's really.

Agreed but it's not that private when you start promoting these thoughts on your social media platform is it? Pretty understandable that an employer doesn't want to be associated with this type of negative media attention and takes action. Of course an NBA team is not just any regular employer, how this this whole ordeal fits into the CBA is definitely an interesting question.

[alphatron10]

I doubt that if any player other than Jaylen Brown was the VP of the NBPA that this wouldn't be an issue. JB is an outspoken idiot who shares Kyrie's belief system. I don't agree with Kyrie being suspended per say, but if a player like Tatum or someone else was in JB's position, this wouldn't even be a talking point. Obviously what Kyrie believes is moronic and shouldn't be said by anyone, but he probably shouldn't be suspended because it sets a bad precedent. The only good thing about this whole situation is now we can see who believes all the Farrakahn/BHI BS since they are coming out and defending Kyrie. Makes it easier to dislike players

[Jonshmo37]

This guy is putting himself out there and walking a very thin line.

Good for him.

This the same guy that threw Kanye under the bus for beefin with the guys on top of the business chain.

[DimesandKnicks]

This guy is putting himself out there and walking a very thin line.

Good for him.

This the same guy that threw Kanye under the bus for beefin with the guys on top of the business chain.

You mean after he said he’s going Death con three on Jews? Yea…same thing.

[TheCage4]

The only thing worse than being an idiot, is defending one.

It seems like you may be defending more than one. How does that fit in your equation?

Who exactly would you say I'm defending?

[TheCage4]

The only thing worse than being an idiot, is defending one.

... but Tsai is such a likeable guy. How can you not want to defend him?

Where did I mention Tsai in my post?

[alienpick]

The only thing worse than being an idiot, is defending one.

... but Tsai is such a likeable guy. How can you not want to defend him?

Where did I mention Tsai in my post?

He's obviously the idiot you are talking about..

[TheCage4]

... but Tsai is such a likeable guy. How can you not want to defend him?

Where did I mention Tsai in my post?

He's obviously the idiot you are talking about..

You sir, are incorrect. Better luck next time.

[arasu]

I could be wrong but this seems to be about a slave being defiant! How dare you not take the vaccine! How dare you try to find knowledge of self or who your natural enemy is. Every living creature in this world has a natural enemy. The Most High has a natural enemy.

If anything the anger should be geared toward amazon platform but it's not. Why? Is it because the NBA is planning to do business with Amazon?

It is giving off a bit of that vibe isn't it? I don't agree with the stance that we have "natural enemies" within our own species based on some kind of genetic or tribal affinity, but if someone holds that opinion in private, it's none of my business, nor anyone else's really.

RE: "if someone holds that opinion in private"

What part of anything Kyrie Irving does has been private?

He engages combatively with the media constantly about his fringe beliefs -- flat earth, vaccine, anti-semitism etc -- I doubt he's the only idiot among the 500 NBA players, but he's for sure one of the most visible and vocal idiots, one of the highest paid (by highly-valued brands that will protect their image), and one of the least available on-court.

I don't see much racism here. Myers Leonard got the boot. Donald Sterling got the boot. This is just how corporate values work. Irving is falling victim to his own choices.

Talented knuckleheads have talked/played themselves out of a roster/job/the league plenty of times before.

Whenever headache/injury exceeds production on-court and/or dollars produced off-court, it ends fast. For anyone.

Thinking back off-the-cuff: Arenas, Iverson, Francis, Marbury, Baron Davis, Larry Sanders, Melo (briefly), Kanter etc... all lost their mins and/or jobs entirely, at least 3, 4, 5 years sooner than was necessary.

Kyrie Irving and Ben Simmons are very likely the next items added to this never ending list

If Kyrie goes full Kanye, or if he is caught in recordings making specific racist remarks, like Sterling, then you may be right. As for his "fringe" beliefs, having beliefs that go against the grain is called freedom, and many, many NBA fans like freedom, so unless he goes that route, the NBA would be shooting itself in the foot to condemn him. Being against mandatory experimental vaccines is hardly "fringe". Only extremists believe that. While flat-Earth is certainly is fringe, by the numbers, why do you care? Why would that belief make you upset?

[arasu]

I doubt that if any player other than Jaylen Brown was the VP of the NBPA that this wouldn't be an issue. JB is an outspoken idiot who shares Kyrie's belief system. I don't agree with Kyrie being suspended per say, but if a player like Tatum or someone else was in JB's position, this wouldn't even be a talking point. Obviously what Kyrie believes is moronic and shouldn't be said by anyone, but he probably shouldn't be suspended because it sets a bad precedent. The only good thing about this whole situation is now we can see who believes all the Farrakahn/BHI BS since they are coming out and defending Kyrie. Makes it easier to dislike players

There's two main types defending him, those you mentioned, but also more live and let live types.

[puja21]

If Kyrie goes full Kanye, or if he is caught in recordings making specific racist remarks, like Sterling, then you may be right. As for his "fringe" beliefs, having beliefs that go against the grain is called freedom, and many, many NBA fans like freedom, so unless he goes that route, the NBA would be shooting itself in the foot to condemn him. Being against mandatory experimental vaccines is hardly "fringe". Only extremists believe that. While flat-Earth is certainly is fringe, by the numbers, why do you care? Why would that belief make you upset?

I responded to a comment that his treatment was racist -- I disagree


No one said anything about being upset or caring-- you're projecting here and your post reads like you're anti-vaccine too. Yes, of course it's your and Kyries' right to believe whatever nonsense you choose... keep on keepin' on

[arasu]

I responded to a comment that his treatment was racist -- I disagree


No one said anything about being upset or caring-- you're projecting here and your post reads like you're anti-vaccine too. Yes, of course it's your and Kyries' right to believe whatever nonsense you choose... keep on keepin' on

Only the goofiest of individuals would conflate a view against rushed and experimental vaccines with being "anti-vaccine". A moronic friend of mine once asked me, "why are you antivax?". I'm not. I'm against human experimentation. It's just common sense to be skeptical. Unfortunately, common sense doesn't exist for those who are brainwashed otherwise.

[puja21]

I responded to a comment that his treatment was racist -- I disagree


No one said anything about being upset or caring-- you're projecting here and your post reads like you're anti-vaccine too. Yes, of course it's your and Kyries' right to believe whatever nonsense you choose... keep on keepin' on

Only the goofiest of individuals would conflate a view against rushed and experimental vaccines with being "anti-vaccine". A moronic friend of mine once asked me, "why are you antivax?". I'm not. I'm against human experimentation. It's just common sense to be skeptical. Unfortunately, common sense doesn't exist for those who are brainwashed otherwise.

and there it is -- "brainwashed" -- surprised you didn't throw in the always popular 'sheep' / 'sheeple'

Let me guess-- you "did your own research," largely on youtube or via confirmation bias sites?

Keep on keepin' on, my man

[arasu]

I responded to a comment that his treatment was racist -- I disagree


No one said anything about being upset or caring-- you're projecting here and your post reads like you're anti-vaccine too. Yes, of course it's your and Kyries' right to believe whatever nonsense you choose... keep on keepin' on

Only the goofiest of individuals would conflate a view against rushed and experimental vaccines with being "anti-vaccine". A moronic friend of mine once asked me, "why are you antivax?". I'm not. I'm against human experimentation. It's just common sense to be skeptical. Unfortunately, common sense doesn't exist for those who are brainwashed otherwise.

and there it is -- "brainwashed" -- surprised you didn't throw in the always popular 'sheep' / 'sheeple'

Let me guess-- you "did your own research," largely on youtube or via confirmation bias sites?

Keep on keepin' on, my man

Address my points, instead of being foul. Your comment is disgusting. Do better. I was a science major at uni. I understand how to differentiate between irrational ideas and whimsical nonsense on random YouTube channels and real hard facts. I also don't think that the "sheeple" insult is constructive. Again. You're just being foul, because you have no response to my rationally irrefutable facts.

[arasu]

I responded to a comment that his treatment was racist -- I disagree


No one said anything about being upset or caring-- you're projecting here and your post reads like you're anti-vaccine too. Yes, of course it's your and Kyries' right to believe whatever nonsense you choose... keep on keepin' on

Only the goofiest of individuals would conflate a view against rushed and experimental vaccines with being "anti-vaccine". A moronic friend of mine once asked me, "why are you antivax?". I'm not. I'm against human experimentation. It's just common sense to be skeptical. Unfortunately, common sense doesn't exist for those who are brainwashed otherwise.

and there it is -- "brainwashed" -- surprised you didn't throw in the always popular 'sheep' / 'sheeple'

Let me guess-- you "did your own research," largely on youtube or via confirmation bias sites?

Keep on keepin' on, my man

Your snide remark is so typical of your cult. While you bristle at the realistic portrayal of your being "brainwashed", you have no interest in displaying the behaviors that would prove that you're NOT brainwashed. It's pretty easy to prove, yet you'd rather end the conversation with your self-affirming condescension.

What's sad, is your complete lack of self-awareness. Your religion (ideology) constantly seeks to "other" people politically, making everything political. When people want to have a discussion or are skeptical about a particular topic that your cult has committed to, you call them "extremists", "conspiracy theorists", or "rightwing". You care nothing for rational conversations or even rationality itself. The idea that we all have biases that we must challenge to better understand reality is an anathema to you. Rather than give people simple respect that they have earned, you mock concepts rooted in rational thought, like bias. Your entire cult is built around mocking and bullying. The idea that one must be officially sanctioned experts and "a professional" to have "credibility" is part of your authoritarian cult and its bullying. By discrediting anyone outside of your cult in this way, it gives you free rein to berate and attack them. You have no interest in real conversations, because that is not the way of your religion.

I understand you so well, it's dumbfounding how little you understand yourself. Your dehumanizing dismissive nature towards me and people like me is an open call to war. You don't want to coexist with me, because I'm the infidel who dares to contest your views. Know that I will physically resist your willingness to impose your views on me with your violence, and millions like me will do the same. Maybe it's time for you to come to the table and treat me with the simple respect every human should have. I won't expect it. But I will demand it.