Official Blow it up Trade Ideas Thread

[gigantes]

To me, this is a tough (borderline impossible) 'blow it up' situation, at least at the moment.

Durant's price tag & age combined with it being early-season really limit the teams who might trade for him, and the value the Nets might get.

Kyrie, Simmons & Harris are all but negative contracts at this point, but could conceivably be rehabilitated later in the season. By the same token, if those three do pick up their play down the line, then you've got a possible contender, which appeals to the logic of the window still being open, creating an argument for keeping the team intact until the end of the season.

Yes this season has been torture, but I think the Nets could easily make their future worse by trying to break the club up now instead of doing it closer to the deadline, when demand will be greater and our assets more attractive.

Agree / disagree?

[Decipher]

To me, this is a tough (borderline impossible) 'blow it up' situation, at least at the moment.

Durant's price tag & age combined with it being early-season really limit the teams who might trade for him, and the value the Nets might get.

Kyrie, Simmons & Harris are all but negative contracts at this point, but could conceivably be rehabilitated later in the season. By the same token, if those three do pick up their play down the line, then you've got a possible contender, which appeals to the logic of the window still being open, creating an argument for keeping the team intact until the end of the season.

Yes this season has been torture, but I think the Nets could easily make their future worse by trying to break the club up now instead of doing it closer to the deadline, when demand will be greater and our assets more attractive.

Agree / disagree?

Agreed

We live in a 24/7 news cycle

IF Kyrie is allowed to play for us again & goes nuclear then other teams will be interested

IF Simmons gets consistently healthy & plays like he did yesterday then other teams will be interested

IF Harris gets a rhythm back then other teams will be interested

Hell, the moment TJ Warren takes the court again for 2 consecutive games then other teams will be interested

Right now they're worth pennies in the $ and not worth trading

KD will be worth a lot to a team still in contention

[3pt_chucker]

I really don't think the Nets are blowing it up. At least not yet. I think any trade would be an attempt to upgrade the roster.

The Nets have 2 FRP for next season. A swap with Houston, and most likely Philly's pick. Marks has to trade at least one of those if he's serious.

Players I'd be targeting if I was SM:
1. Lauri Markannen
WHY: Total pipe dream with how well he's played. He's a stretch 4/5 that can start next to Simmons.
TRADES:

1 Harris + 2 FRPs. Would get it done but seems like an overpay.
2 Cam + Harris + 1 FRP. Still seems too expensive but I'd do it in a heartbeat.
3 Cam + Patty Mills + 1FRP. Amazing trade for Nets but I doubt Ainge would accept.

2. Myles Turner
WHY: Yes, he's a frustrating player and may be a bit overrated but he's EXACTLY the player profile the Nets need. A big who can shoot and defend. Problem is 2 fold: a) The Lakers have better picks and will be used as leverage & b) Pacers prob won't be interested in Harris or Cam Thomas or Patty Mills. So might need to be a 3rd team involved. There is also a sneaky potential for a Ben Simmons swap if the Nets sour on him.
TRADES:

1 Harris + 1 FRP(best of PHIL, HOUS swap)
2 Turner + Hield for Ben Simmons. Question is do the Nets have to add a FRP cuz Ben sucks?

3. John Collins
WHY: JC just doesn't fit the Hawks roster. They need more 3pt shooting (bottom 5 in the league in 3PA and %) and with 2 dominant ball handling guards, his usage is a career low at 16! Unfortunately he's a career low in 3P% (25% yuck) so he's a bad fit next to Ben or Ben + Clax. However he brings length and athleticism the roster sorely needs. Hope that KD & KI can be soo good offensively, it won't matter. Better yet, trade Ben for Myles Turner + Hield.
(Turner - JC - KD - Royce/Hield - KAI )
TRADE: Harris + Patty for JC. Most obvious trade here. Not sure it's worth it tho.

Other smaller trade targets:
Kelly Olynyck. Can be a stretch 5 for the Nets. Patty + Kessler + Sharpe works money wise but no way Ainge accepts w/o a pick.
Jakob Poeltl. Solves size and rebounding but is horrible fit next to Ben. Would require more moves to be made.

[TheNetsFan]

I really don't think the Nets are blowing it up. At least not yet. I think any trade would be an attempt to upgrade the roster.

The Nets have 2 FRP for next season. A swap with Houston, and most likely Philly's pick. Marks has to trade at least one of those if he's serious.

Players I'd be targeting if I was SM:
1. Lauri Markannen
WHY: Total pipe dream with how well he's played. He's a stretch 4/5 that can start next to Simmons.
TRADES:

1 Harris + 2 FRPs. Would get it done but seems like an overpay.
2 Cam + Harris + 1 FRP. Still seems too expensive but I'd do it in a heartbeat.
3 Cam + Patty Mills + 1FRP. Amazing trade for Nets but I doubt Ainge would accept.

2. Myles Turner
WHY: Yes, he's a frustrating player and may be a bit overrated but he's EXACTLY the player profile the Nets need. A big who can shoot and defend. Problem is 2 fold: a) The Lakers have better picks and will be used as leverage & b) Pacers prob won't be interested in Harris or Cam Thomas or Patty Mills. So might need to be a 3rd team involved. There is also a sneaky potential for a Ben Simmons swap if the Nets sour on him.
TRADES:

1 Harris + 1 FRP(best of PHIL, HOUS swap)
2 Turner + Hield for Ben Simmons. Question is do the Nets have to add a FRP cuz Ben sucks?

3. John Collins
WHY: JC just doesn't fit the Hawks roster. They need more 3pt shooting (bottom 5 in the league in 3PA and %) and with 2 dominant ball handling guards, his usage is a career low at 16! Unfortunately he's a career low in 3P% (25% yuck) so he's a bad fit next to Ben or Ben + Clax. However he brings length and athleticism the roster sorely needs. Hope that KD & KI can be soo good offensively, it won't matter. Better yet, trade Ben for Myles Turner + Hield.
(Turner - JC - KD - Royce/Hield - KAI )
TRADE: Harris + Patty for JC. Most obvious trade here. Not sure it's worth it tho.

Other smaller trade targets:
Kelly Olynyck. Can be a stretch 5 for the Nets. Patty + Kessler + Sharpe works money wise but no way Ainge accepts w/o a pick.
Jakob Poeltl. Solves size and rebounding but is horrible fit next to Ben. Would require more moves to be made.

We only have one untradable pick. The worse of our pick and the Philly pick was traded for Royce O'Neale.

[Papi_swav]

Ben Simmons/Joe Harris to Hornets for Rozier/Hayward
Ben simmons to Kings for Barnes/Holmes/Davis
Ben Simmons for Klay lol
Ben Simmons to Pistons for Bagley/Burke/Noel

This all I could find for Ben

EDIT: ok I take this back now. Ben has been playing on all star level thank god.

[Stone]

If a decision is made to blow up the Nets . The first thing that needs to be done is to fire Sean Marks.

[GTR11]

If a decision is made to blow up the Nets . The first thing that needs to be done is to fire Sean Marks.

If you guys paid attention, Woj, Lewis, NI and few others already mentioned that Sean is beyond secure while Joe Tsai here. Calling for his head is useless.

Sean thinking retooling in 2024 is way to go. I think he's wrong, he should've pulled Brown for KD and Russ + 2picks this off-season.

If some random fan like me was able to predict fiasco we in right now, what it tells about his competence. Yes I don't have all inside info, but reports that been leaked by Shams/Woj were enough for most of us. All we asked for legit coach like Snyder or Borega, young star to build around and couple picks to look forward to as assets or prospects. Instead we waisted another year in BK for nothing, while allowing bandwagon and some dumb talking heads on Twitter dictate their way. They toxic cancer that needs to go yesterday!!!

Building legit fan base starts with no BS tolerance period. Rest of that bandwagon trash will hop around like they did few years ago. How exactly it started? Ok than

[3pt_chucker]

We only have one untradable pick. The worse of our pick and the Philly pick was traded for Royce O'Neale.

We have 2 picks for 2023.

But after double checking, it seems 1 of them can only be officially traded on draft night. The trade can be set up where the pick will officially convey on draft night. Basically the Nets make the pick but then the player goes to team X.

[TheNetsFan]

We only have one untradable pick. The worse of our pick and the Philly pick was traded for Royce O'Neale.

We have 2 picks for 2023.

But after double checking, it seems 1 of them can only be officially traded on draft night. The trade can be set up where the pick will officially convey on draft night. Basically the Nets make the pick but then the player goes to team X.

No we don't. Again, the second pick went to Utah for Royce O'Neale.

2023 first round draft pick from Houston or Philadelphia (outgoing swap, Brooklyn outgoing to Houston or Utah)
Houston will receive the more favorable of its 2023 1st round pick and Brooklyn's 2023 1st round pick; Brooklyn will receive the more favorable of (i) the less favorable of its pick and the Houston pick and (ii) Philadelphia's 2023 1st round pick and Utah will receive the least favorable of the three (via Houston's right to swap for Brooklyn; via Philadelphia to Brooklyn) [Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 2/10/2022; Brooklyn-Utah, 6/30/2022]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

[3pt_chucker]

We only have one untradable pick. The worse of our pick and the Philly pick was traded for Royce O'Neale.

We have 2 picks for 2023.

But after double checking, it seems 1 of them can only be officially traded on draft night. The trade can be set up where the pick will officially convey on draft night. Basically the Nets make the pick but then the player goes to team X.

No we don't. Again, the second pick went to Utah for Royce O'Neale.

2023 first round draft pick from Houston or Philadelphia (outgoing swap, Brooklyn outgoing to Houston or Utah)
Houston will receive the more favorable of its 2023 1st round pick and Brooklyn's 2023 1st round pick; Brooklyn will receive the more favorable of (i) the less favorable of its pick and the Houston pick and (ii) Philadelphia's 2023 1st round pick and Utah will receive the least favorable of the three (via Houston's right to swap for Brooklyn; via Philadelphia to Brooklyn) [Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Brooklyn-Philadelphia, 2/10/2022; Brooklyn-Utah, 6/30/2022]

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

Oh you're right it's only 1 pick. I got confused with the way Fanspo trade machine had it.

[Stone]

If a decision is made to blow up the Nets . The first thing that needs to be done is to fire Sean Marks.

If you guys paid attention, Woj, Lewis, NI and few others already mentioned that Sean is beyond secure while Joe Tsai here. Calling for his head is useless.

Sean thinking retooling in 2024 is way to go. I think he's wrong, he should've pulled Brown for KD and Russ + 2picks this off-season.

If some random fan like me was able to predict fiasco we in right now, what it tells about his competence. Yes I don't have all inside info, but reports that been leaked by Shams/Woj were enough for most of us. All we asked for legit coach like Snyder or Borega, young star to build around and couple picks to look forward to as assets or prospects. Instead we waisted another year in BK for nothing, while allowing bandwagon and some dumb talking heads on Twitter dictate their way. They toxic cancer that needs to go yesterday!!!

Building legit fan base starts with no BS tolerance period. Rest of that bandwagon trash will hop around like they did few years ago. How exactly it started? Ok than

If you were paying attention this thread is about ideas. Your know it all routine is getting old.

[NetsWorld]

When the report came out two weeks ago that teams were interested in Re engaging the Nets on KD, I wouldn’t be surprised if NO was one of those teams. I want Ingram on this team. We need to organically build a championship team, not artificially inject poison to do it. Kyrie for picks and a role player or two, KD for a haul of picks and Ingram and Nance

[MrDollarBills]

When the report came out two weeks ago that teams were interested in Re engaging the Nets on KD, I wouldn’t be surprised if NO was one of those teams. I want Ingram on this team. We need to organically build a championship team, not artificially inject poison to do it. Kyrie for picks and a role player or two, KD for a haul of picks and Ingram and Nance

I agree, but Kyrie is not worth anything right now

[Zion Wembanyama]

Pt I

To LAL

Kyrie Irving
Royce O'Neale

To BK

Russell Westbrook


Pt II

To MIL

Markieff Morris

To BK

Serge Ibaka


Pt III

To DEN

Cameron Thomas
Day'Ron Sharpe

To BK

Jeff Green

[h4rrison]

Raps fan here, would you accept this trade?



Unprotected FRP for you as well

[MrDollarBills]

Raps fan here, would you accept this trade?



Unprotected FRP for you as well

Tempting but I'd rather see if we can make it work with Ben.

[3pt_chucker]

I really think it is far more likely Kyrie is traded over Ben.

We all know the Nets do not like any of his off court stuff but he's not been playing well offensively this season and we know he's still a liability on defense. He's having his worst year efficiency wise since Cleveland and him and Durant really don't seems like a good fit(especially against teams like Boston)

Add to that he's on an expiring, I highly doubt the Nets want to lose him for nothing. They also see that KD + Ben works, and they just need that reliable 3rd star. It makes sense why there were recent rumors that the Nets are thinking about trading him.

I'd keep my eye on Miami. They are struggling and don't want to waste another year of Jimmy Butler.

Kyrie for Lowry + Caleb Martin + '23 1st, would be a deal I see Sean Mark making in a heartbeat. No way Miami offers that much tho.

Sadly, I think Miami is going to do some trade for a fringe star, or someone like Kyrie(distressed asset with some upside Heat culture fixes him) and I don't think the Nets will find a trade partner that will take on Kyrie w/o attaching an asset.

[GTR11]

We not trading Kyrie.

Bookmark me here. He will be resigned to max contract. What it will look like is good question though.

[3pt_chucker]

I think the only reason he won't get traded is because he has miniscule trade value and less so the Nets want to keep him.

I also doubt he gets a max as well. Will depend on the rest of the season but his level of play needs to increase.

[TheNetsFan]

Some Cleveland writer had Joe Harris as a name to watch for Cleveland in a recent article. I don't know how legit the guy is, but aside from Allen, who they won't trade, there's nobody that they would trade and matches salary that would make us better. LeVert is likely the guy they would offer (if legit) and I'd rather have Joe unless Marks is trying to shed his 2023-2024 salary.