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Post#41 » by Case2012 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:32 am

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zzaj wrote:The player that he's reminding me more and more of...maybe it's the quiet demeanor, IDK...Kawhi.

I am also in the trade Simons camp for an upgrade if it makes sense. Could it turn into a JO situation? Of course...but I also feel like the Blazers need to make the very most of the Lillard era. Considering they have a prospect like Sharpe in the mix, that makes it a little easier...


The difference being JO was still young and not developed so the Blazers got a decent return, but not great. Simons is developed and should return a much better player so I dont think it would end up being another JO situation. Is there a way to get Durant using Simons, without giving up Sharpe? If they sent Simons & Nurkic like someone suggested in another thread, along with Little and some picks & swaps, would that even get Brooklyn's attention? I dunno about that. Then what do the Blazers do about their center position.


Simons for Lauri and Vanderbilt would be interesting, followed up with a Nurkic plus 2 firsts (1 pick, 1 swap) for Turner would be make us title favorites imo.

Would we need to add a pick to Simons? Vanderbilt isn't just a throw in so that's why I think we need to add a pick or perhaps Nas? Both? Can Simons even get you Lauri? Ainge is SOB when it comes to trades, so I'm not so sure. They might win too many games to bother tanking by the time we can trade Simons so why would they do it?

Indy obviously takes that deal since Turner would walk in free agency right? Plus they do him a solid by sending him to a contender. With Cronin's history with KP I think we could get it done.

Dame/Gp
Hart/Sharpe(or does Sharpe start?)
Grant/Winslow
Lauri/Vanderbilt
Turner/Eubanks

Name a better defensive team on paper. If defense wins championships then just give us the trophy now. I'm b not sure if it's possible but I think I'd rather sacrifice the picks for those guys rather than Durant with his age/health/chemistry issues.
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Re: Shaedon Sharpe Analysis 

Post#42 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:35 am

Have we seen enough yet to feel comfortable giving up Simon's for Lauri? I don't mind moving Simons, but I don't know how well Lauri will do here. I haven't seen him play this season. How is his defense?
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Re: Shaedon Sharpe Analysis 

Post#43 » by Case2012 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 6:41 am

DaVoiceMaster wrote:Have we seen enough yet to feel comfortable giving up Simon's for Lauri? I don't mind moving Simons, but I don't know how well Lauri will do here. I haven't seen him play this season. How is his defense?



I don’t think there’s anyways in hell we can move Simons for Lauri with the way the Jazz are playing, they look like contenders.

If we did get Lauri and Turner somehow with their height and skill sets we would be contenders for the next 3-4 years though.
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Post#44 » by BNM » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:03 pm

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DaVoiceMaster wrote:
zzaj wrote:The player that he's reminding me more and more of...maybe it's the quiet demeanor, IDK...Kawhi.

I am also in the trade Simons camp for an upgrade if it makes sense. Could it turn into a JO situation? Of course...but I also feel like the Blazers need to make the very most of the Lillard era. Considering they have a prospect like Sharpe in the mix, that makes it a little easier...


The difference being JO was still young and not developed so the Blazers got a decent return, but not great. Simons is developed and should return a much better player so I dont think it would end up being another JO situation. Is there a way to get Durant using Simons, without giving up Sharpe? If they sent Simons & Nurkic like someone suggested in another thread, along with Little and some picks & swaps, would that even get Brooklyn's attention? I dunno about that. Then what do the Blazers do about their center position.


Simons for Lauri and Vanderbilt would be interesting, followed up with a Nurkic plus 2 firsts (1 pick, 1 swap) for Turner would be make us title favorites imo.

Would we need to add a pick to Simons? Vanderbilt isn't just a throw in so that's why I think we need to add a pick or perhaps Nas? Both? Can Simons even get you Lauri? Ainge is SOB when it comes to trades, so I'm not so sure. They might win too many games to bother tanking by the time we can trade Simons so why would they do it?

Indy obviously takes that deal since Turner would walk in free agency right? Plus they do him a solid by sending him to a contender. With Cronin's history with KP I think we could get it done.

Dame/Gp
Hart/Sharpe(or does Sharpe start?)
Grant/Winslow
Lauri/Vanderbilt
Turner/Eubanks

Name a better defensive team on paper. If defense wins championships then just give us the trophy now. I'm b not sure if it's possible but I think I'd rather sacrifice the picks for those guys rather than Durant with his age/health/chemistry issues.


Why would UTA do this???? Makes no sense for them. Especially as it helps a division rival balance their roster at UTA's expense. Lauri was the centerpiece of the Mitchell trade. He's flat out better than Simons in every way and he's 9" taller. When it comes to making trades, Danny Ainge isn't an idiot.
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Re: Shaedon Sharpe Analysis 

Post#45 » by BlazersBroncos » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:20 pm

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Case2012 wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:
The difference being JO was still young and not developed so the Blazers got a decent return, but not great. Simons is developed and should return a much better player so I dont think it would end up being another JO situation. Is there a way to get Durant using Simons, without giving up Sharpe? If they sent Simons & Nurkic like someone suggested in another thread, along with Little and some picks & swaps, would that even get Brooklyn's attention? I dunno about that. Then what do the Blazers do about their center position.


Simons for Lauri and Vanderbilt would be interesting, followed up with a Nurkic plus 2 firsts (1 pick, 1 swap) for Turner would be make us title favorites imo.

Would we need to add a pick to Simons? Vanderbilt isn't just a throw in so that's why I think we need to add a pick or perhaps Nas? Both? Can Simons even get you Lauri? Ainge is SOB when it comes to trades, so I'm not so sure. They might win too many games to bother tanking by the time we can trade Simons so why would they do it?

Indy obviously takes that deal since Turner would walk in free agency right? Plus they do him a solid by sending him to a contender. With Cronin's history with KP I think we could get it done.

Dame/Gp
Hart/Sharpe(or does Sharpe start?)
Grant/Winslow
Lauri/Vanderbilt
Turner/Eubanks

Name a better defensive team on paper. If defense wins championships then just give us the trophy now. I'm b not sure if it's possible but I think I'd rather sacrifice the picks for those guys rather than Durant with his age/health/chemistry issues.


Why would UTA do this???? Makes no sense for them. Especially as it helps a division rival balance their roster at UTA's expense. Lauri was the centerpiece of the Mitchell trade. He's flat out better than Simons in every way and he's 9" taller. When it comes to making trades, Danny Ainge isn't an idiot.


Ya, the time to get Lauri was 2 years ago but NO's dumb ass thought the roster was a Larry Nance away rather than in need of someone like Lauri who was bursting with talent but had not found his 'fit'. Absolute idiot.
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Re: Shaedon Sharpe Analysis 

Post#46 » by Case2012 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 7:01 pm

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DaVoiceMaster wrote:
The difference being JO was still young and not developed so the Blazers got a decent return, but not great. Simons is developed and should return a much better player so I dont think it would end up being another JO situation. Is there a way to get Durant using Simons, without giving up Sharpe? If they sent Simons & Nurkic like someone suggested in another thread, along with Little and some picks & swaps, would that even get Brooklyn's attention? I dunno about that. Then what do the Blazers do about their center position.


Simons for Lauri and Vanderbilt would be interesting, followed up with a Nurkic plus 2 firsts (1 pick, 1 swap) for Turner would be make us title favorites imo.

Would we need to add a pick to Simons? Vanderbilt isn't just a throw in so that's why I think we need to add a pick or perhaps Nas? Both? Can Simons even get you Lauri? Ainge is SOB when it comes to trades, so I'm not so sure. They might win too many games to bother tanking by the time we can trade Simons so why would they do it?
Indy obviously takes that deal since Turner would walk in free agency right? Plus they do him a solid by sending him to a contender. With Cronin's history with KP I think we could get it done.

Dame/Gp
Hart/Sharpe(or does Sharpe start?)
Grant/Winslow
Lauri/Vanderbilt
Turner/Eubanks

Name a better defensive team on paper. If defense wins championships then just give us the trophy now. I'm b not sure if it's possible but I think I'd rather sacrifice the picks for those guys rather than Durant with his age/health/chemistry issues.


Why would UTA do this???? Makes no sense for them. Especially as it helps a division rival balance their roster at UTA's expense. Lauri was the centerpiece of the Mitchell trade. He's flat out better than Simons in every way and he's 9" taller. When it comes to making trades, Danny Ainge isn't an idiot.


Yeah, I made a point to mention that Ainge was a tough negotiator and that Utah is looking like a contender in the post right above yours... **** face had the chance to get him cheap a few years ago and decided to throw away a pick on Nance. I think Simons could have gotten us Lauri at the deadline last year with Bledsoe included for salary, but Lauri is basically an mvp candidate right now. The reason I mentioned it is because BlazerBroncos floated the idea a few times and it’s grown on me.

I think Turner is still the target and possibly OG but I’m wary of trading with Masai, he doesn’t lose trades. We can all agree we’re not trading Sharpe so I doubt we can get OG, but Turner seems realistic and a perfect center for Billups.
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Re: Shaedon Sharpe Analysis 

Post#47 » by GrowingHorns » Sun Nov 20, 2022 12:40 am

Case2012 wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:Have we seen enough yet to feel comfortable giving up Simon's for Lauri? I don't mind moving Simons, but I don't know how well Lauri will do here. I haven't seen him play this season. How is his defense?



I don’t think there’s anyways in hell we can move Simons for Lauri with the way the Jazz are playing, they look like contenders.

If we did get Lauri and Turner somehow with their height and skill sets we would be contenders for the next 3-4 years though.


Utah does not need another shooting guard and giving up one of the rarest kinda player types in that trade. Scoring guards are plenty, 7ft mismatch nightmares not so much...
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Post#48 » by Case2012 » Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:11 am

GrowingHorns wrote:
Case2012 wrote:
DaVoiceMaster wrote:Have we seen enough yet to feel comfortable giving up Simon's for Lauri? I don't mind moving Simons, but I don't know how well Lauri will do here. I haven't seen him play this season. How is his defense?



I don’t think there’s anyways in hell we can move Simons for Lauri with the way the Jazz are playing, they look like contenders.

If we did get Lauri and Turner somehow with their height and skill sets we would be contenders for the next 3-4 years though.


Utah does not need another shooting guard and giving up one of the rarest kinda player types in that trade. Scoring guards are plenty, 7ft mismatch nightmares not so much...


Yeah that makes sense, which is I why I said there's no way in hell we could trade for him in the post you quoted. :roll:
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Post#49 » by HoopsFanAZ » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pm

Lauri isn’t known for his defense. While I’m glad he’s having his best season and may fit long-term with Utah, IMHO, it would be a choice of Grant vs. LM … and it’s Grant.

Sharpe as a starter at SF … soon enough.
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Post#50 » by GEE » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:08 pm

He is very close to becoming our starting SG ALREADY with Grant as our future at the 3. But if you listen to Chauncey, he says he still has some big lessons to learn, especially at the defensive end. "To be expected", is what I think he said. The kid is CONSISTANTLY putting up a point for every minute he's on the floor, and he seems to shoot with crazy-high efficiency at all 3 levels... ALREADY!!! Cronin struck it rich!!! Simons to 6th man role will eventually happen one would imagine.
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Post#51 » by Blazinaway » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:33 pm

GEE wrote:He is very close to becoming our starting SG ALREADY with Grant as our future at the 3. But if you listen to Chauncey, he says he still has some big lessons to learn, especially at the defensive end. "To be expected", is what I think he said. The kid is CONSISTANTLY putting up a point for every minute he's on the floor, and he seems to shoot with crazy-high efficiency at all 3 levels... ALREADY!!! Cronin struck it rich!!! Simons to 6th man role will eventually happen one would imagine.


yeah Simons as 6th man definitely, he and Dame should share the floor as little as possible. would also like to limit Dame to 30-32 minutes max - we have the depth
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Post#52 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:06 pm

But if you listen to Chauncey, he says he still has some big lessons to learn, especially at the defensive end


This is true, but its also true that Simons is still a horrible defender and due to his light frame and general aversion to physical play, he likely is always going to be a poor defender. Its why he should be a 6th man IMO.
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Post#53 » by GEE » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:46 pm

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But if you listen to Chauncey, he says he still has some big lessons to learn, especially at the defensive end


This is true, but its also true that Simons is still a horrible defender and due to his light frame and general aversion to physical play, he likely is always going to be a poor defender. Its why he should be a 6th man IMO.


"aversion to physical play"... GTFO. Are you serious? If you pay attention, Dame has been in Simons' ear all this year telling him to take it to the rack more, to get fouled, to get to the line for free-throws... Which he HAS been doing.

This IMHO is HORRIBLE advice!!! I would think it smart, to keep my smaller guys, the F-out of the painted area as much as possible, considering it's going to involve the chance of my star guard getting slammed to the floor. It's how you shorten a guys career ya know. Just not smart. It's also why you have guys like Grant, Winslow, Little, Hart and Sharpe... Those are the guys you want taking it to the rack, delivering the punishment versus taking it. Plus, free-throws generally just suck anyway, as it mostly just stops all the action and flow to a game, which in some special cases you want, but to do it to add to you personal point totals for a game, isn't good for players not built for it.
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Post#54 » by BlazersBroncos » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:58 pm

I know Ant has been driving to the hoop more, but I strongly believe he is still a guy that is bothered by physical defenders and lacks physicality on defense as well. I am not confident that he will be able to overcome physical play come playoff time. Its something that has worried me for some time. We will see I guess.
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Post#55 » by DeBlazerRiddem » Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:48 pm

Shine a bit off the last couple games, begs the question if his shot isn't falling what else can he do to justify being out there?

I think its clear he will primarily be a scorer, which he has the tools to be an elite 3 level scorer in this league, but its nice to have different elements of the game to lean on.

I would like to see him study Josh Hart for some of those aspects, pushing the fast-break, going hard after rebounds type of stuff.
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Post#56 » by HoopsFanAZ » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:26 am

I'm late to the party re: Shaedon Sharpe as getting maximum minutes. Not just playing in the first half with more minutes than most people were hoping for. Not just getting some run in the 2nd half, too. As many minutes as he can play. That's where I'm at.

Unlike some posters, here, I'm still up for the Dame-Ant combo with one on the court at all times, but maximize otherwise their time together. It needs time to jell with the other players. Besides, the sample size will hopefully be big enough by the trade deadline (Dame's calf needs to cool it) for reasonable expectations moving forward.

Sharpe starting at SF already? As much I like Hart and appreciate what he does, Sharpe is special. Push the limits of what he can do as a rookie starter.
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Post#57 » by zzaj » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:17 pm

I feel like the coaching staff knows what they are doing re: Sharpe.

Not having played college ball, or any organized ball at a highly competitive level puts him a little behind--and I think that's why we see his lack of well-rounded game, and tendency to drift for the moment.

I'd give him a year to get acclimated. No reason to overwhelm him. The mental and physical rigors of the travel alone for a full NBA season would be a lot to get used to...even for a 19 year old.
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Re: Shaedon Sharpe Analysis 

Post#58 » by Case2012 » Thu Nov 24, 2022 6:14 am

Recorded 0 stats in 15 minutes against Cleveland. He's not ready to start unless we decide to tank.
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Post#59 » by DaVoiceMaster » Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:06 pm

His last couple of games have been crummy. His shot has been off compared to the first 10 games or so when he was making everything. He had 20 points and hasn't fone squat since. What's up with that?
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Post#60 » by Norm2953 » Thu Nov 24, 2022 8:26 pm

He's a 19 year old kid who only played 3 years of HS ball and didn't play a minute of CBB.

Got all kinds of physical talent but he's got to first adjust to the pro lifestyle and living in a
new environment (Oregon).

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