Ben Simmons is becoming the biggest liability in NBA history

[GTR11]

Marks just turned the burner up on the Nets asses via Woj. ND already posted an article about it as well. This next month will determine whether Nets stay the course or rebuild. And before anyone panics, obviously it will be based on their performance. Nets better reel off 10-11 straight wins. FTR, rebuild in todays game, thankfully, isn’t a true rebuild per se but rather a reset; why you may ask? Too much talent around the league and many players impact the game in different ways and can score 20 plus PPG. The era of the Kobe’s, Iverson’s, prime LeBron, Wade l, Shaq of limited good players is thankfully
long gone. When the athletic starts talking about players like a Murray and Collins type, those are very talented players which would help the Nets stay competitive.

That's falls to say least. You need top 5 and second fiddle top 20 player to win a chip. Coach is also huge part if you don't have generational talent like LBJ or Bill Russell.

Marks already set reset button in 2024 ( which is mistake imo ) either for retooling or complete rebuild.

One of two things will happen if they don’t look like a contender, either wholesale changes in the off-season or wholesale changes come February. This in essence means a rebuild for one year and half.

Marks/Tsai should've done this during off-season period. Whether they believed Brown and Simmons was good enough to sell seats and get enough investors. It was right move towards bright future.

Woj just reported what most of us wanted to happen. Rest of them bums just flirting with theories of theirs to appease select groups.

Biggest whiffs that Marks made was not trading Kyrie for 2 first unprotected picks from LA. Kyrie's value is below zero right now. We will have to send assets along to get rid of his contract.

[TheNetsFan]

That's falls to say least. You need top 5 and second fiddle top 20 player to win a chip. Coach is also huge part if you don't have generational talent like LBJ or Bill Russell.

Marks already set reset button in 2024 ( which is mistake imo ) either for retooling or complete rebuild.

One of two things will happen if they don’t look like a contender, either wholesale changes in the off-season or wholesale changes come February. This in essence means a rebuild for one year and half.

Marks/Tsai should've done this during off-season period. Whether they believed Brown and Simmons was good enough to sell seats and get enough investors. It was right move towards bright future.

Woj just reported what most of us wanted to happen. Rest of them bums just flirting with theories of theirs to appease select groups.

Biggest whiffs that Marks made was not trading Kyrie for 2 first unprotected picks from LA. Kyrie's value is below zero right now. We will have to send assets along to get rid of his contract.

If he traded Kyrie for picks, he would have had to move KD immediately, thus reducing our negotiating power. We need a KD trade in place before moving Kyrie.

[Eatgreenz]

One of two things will happen if they don’t look like a contender, either wholesale changes in the off-season or wholesale changes come February. This in essence means a rebuild for one year and half.

Marks/Tsai should've done this during off-season period. Whether they believed Brown and Simmons was good enough to sell seats and get enough investors. It was right move towards bright future.

Woj just reported what most of us wanted to happen. Rest of them bums just flirting with theories of theirs to appease select groups.

Biggest whiffs that Marks made was not trading Kyrie for 2 first unprotected picks from LA. Kyrie's value is below zero right now. We will have to send assets along to get rid of his contract.

If he traded Kyrie for picks, he would have had to move KD immediately, thus reducing our negotiating power. We need a KD trade in place before moving Kyrie.

Not only that aren't those laker picks 2027 n like 2029. Maybe it's just me but those aren't that appealing. if they were 24, 25 then we got something Lakers most likey be trash. But by 27 or 29 they messed around get Tatum or Booker they are still the lakers they can draw stars.

[GTR11]

Marks/Tsai should've done this during off-season period. Whether they believed Brown and Simmons was good enough to sell seats and get enough investors. It was right move towards bright future.

Woj just reported what most of us wanted to happen. Rest of them bums just flirting with theories of theirs to appease select groups.

Biggest whiffs that Marks made was not trading Kyrie for 2 first unprotected picks from LA. Kyrie's value is below zero right now. We will have to send assets along to get rid of his contract.

If he traded Kyrie for picks, he would have had to move KD immediately, thus reducing our negotiating power. We need a KD trade in place before moving Kyrie.

Not only that aren't those laker picks 2027 n like 2029. Maybe it's just me but those aren't that appealing. if they were 24, 25 then we got something Lakers most likey be trash. But by 27 or 29 they messed around get Tatum or Booker they are still the lakers they can draw stars.

• Booker is not top 10 player who will drag a team into PO.
• For LA to be attractive team, they'd need lot's of assets or legit team. Players like Tatum won't just walk into losing situation with nothing to look forward to. NOP pulled Saltics on Fakers. Also, Jeanie is not Dr Buss. She is female version of Jimmy Dolan.
• Saltics offered JB in August. Two plus month prior season start. More than enough time to trade Kyrie and hire legit coach.

[TheNetsFan]

If he traded Kyrie for picks, he would have had to move KD immediately, thus reducing our negotiating power. We need a KD trade in place before moving Kyrie.

Not only that aren't those laker picks 2027 n like 2029. Maybe it's just me but those aren't that appealing. if they were 24, 25 then we got something Lakers most likey be trash. But by 27 or 29 they messed around get Tatum or Booker they are still the lakers they can draw stars.

• Booker is not top 10 player who will drag a team into PO.
• For LA to be attractive team, they'd need lot's of assets or legit team. Players like Tatum won't just walk into losing situation with nothing to look forward to. NOP pulled Saltics on Fakers. Also, Jeanie is not Dr Buss. She is female version of Jimmy Dolan.
• Saltics offered JB in August. Two plus month prior season start. More than enough time to trade Kyrie and hire legit coach.

Brown is a nice player, but...
1) He expires in 2024 and his team does not have the ability to offer him what he can get in FA ahead of FA, which makes him risky.
2) Derrick White doesn't expire in 2024 like the rest of the team (except Ben), which damages free agency dreams.
3) I believe the rumor was they were only offering one pick, which would likely be very, very late.

That's not some kind of amazing offer. You can't trade KD and 2 years from now only have an overpaid White and a recent #29 pick to show for it.

[NetsWorld]

Not only that aren't those laker picks 2027 n like 2029. Maybe it's just me but those aren't that appealing. if they were 24, 25 then we got something Lakers most likey be trash. But by 27 or 29 they messed around get Tatum or Booker they are still the lakers they can draw stars.

• Booker is not top 10 player who will drag a team into PO.
• For LA to be attractive team, they'd need lot's of assets or legit team. Players like Tatum won't just walk into losing situation with nothing to look forward to. NOP pulled Saltics on Fakers. Also, Jeanie is not Dr Buss. She is female version of Jimmy Dolan.
• Saltics offered JB in August. Two plus month prior season start. More than enough time to trade Kyrie and hire legit coach.

Brown is a nice player, but...
1) He expires in 2024 and his team does not have the ability to offer him what he can get in FA ahead of FA, which makes him risky.
2) Derrick White doesn't expire in 2024 like the rest of the team (except Ben), which damages free agency dreams.
3) I believe the rumor was they were only offering one pick, which would likely be very, very late.

That's not some kind of amazing offer. You can't trade KD and 2 years from now only have an overpaid White and a recent #29 pick to show for it.

Brown would expire but here's the thinking behind it, Brown has two years vs Durant's four years; also, bear in mind, Nets could sign another player in 2024 with Brown off the books and Nets would have his bird rights. Nets could hypothetically get Ingram to go with Brown and Simmons. Nets are not playing the picks game nor are there any plans to. Nets are going to be retooling now and in the future, we are the new Lakers......WITH NO RINGS.

[TheNetsFan]

• Booker is not top 10 player who will drag a team into PO.
• For LA to be attractive team, they'd need lot's of assets or legit team. Players like Tatum won't just walk into losing situation with nothing to look forward to. NOP pulled Saltics on Fakers. Also, Jeanie is not Dr Buss. She is female version of Jimmy Dolan.
• Saltics offered JB in August. Two plus month prior season start. More than enough time to trade Kyrie and hire legit coach.

Brown is a nice player, but...
1) He expires in 2024 and his team does not have the ability to offer him what he can get in FA ahead of FA, which makes him risky.
2) Derrick White doesn't expire in 2024 like the rest of the team (except Ben), which damages free agency dreams.
3) I believe the rumor was they were only offering one pick, which would likely be very, very late.

That's not some kind of amazing offer. You can't trade KD and 2 years from now only have an overpaid White and a recent #29 pick to show for it.

Brown would expire but here's the thinking behind it, Brown has two years vs Durant's four years; also, bear in mind, Nets could sign another player in 2024 with Brown off the books and Nets would have his bird rights. Nets could hypothetically get Ingram to go with Brown and Simmons. Nets are not playing the picks game nor are there any plans to. Nets are going to be retooling now and in the future, we are the new Lakers......WITH NO RINGS.

There would be a huge cap hold for Brown and Ingram isn't a FA until 2025.

[MrDollarBills]

Ben looks good out there. It's been 3 games in a row and his aggression looks good. When he gets into the paint he looks to score and he's now taking advantage of teams playing off of him.

[sashaturiaf]

Ben looks good out there. It's been 3 games in a row and his aggression looks good. When he gets into the paint he looks to score and he's now taking advantage of teams playing off of him.

That move where he accelerated and attacked Adam's chest for a layup was the most assertive move he's made all season, it's been frustrating how much he's been relying on finesse when finishing but you can see the confidence returning through that move. It's almost like he's testing the waters game by game by adding a little extra each game.

Shows Ben to be a pretty unique player mentally IMO, in that he won't do anything unless if he's 100% mentally sure he can actually pull it off, he's almost like the anti-JR Smith in that way. Also explains his shooting struggles and the lack of progress he's made in that area.

Having a good game vs Philly will be a milestone for Ben's return, I think his teammates and coach Vaughn will be pulling for him too and put him in a position to succeed.

[GTR11]

Not only that aren't those laker picks 2027 n like 2029. Maybe it's just me but those aren't that appealing. if they were 24, 25 then we got something Lakers most likey be trash. But by 27 or 29 they messed around get Tatum or Booker they are still the lakers they can draw stars.

• Booker is not top 10 player who will drag a team into PO.
• For LA to be attractive team, they'd need lot's of assets or legit team. Players like Tatum won't just walk into losing situation with nothing to look forward to. NOP pulled Saltics on Fakers. Also, Jeanie is not Dr Buss. She is female version of Jimmy Dolan.
• Saltics offered JB in August. Two plus month prior season start. More than enough time to trade Kyrie and hire legit coach.

Brown is a nice player, but...
1) He expires in 2024 and his team does not have the ability to offer him what he can get in FA ahead of FA, which makes him risky.
2) Derrick White doesn't expire in 2024 like the rest of the team (except Ben), which damages free agency dreams.
3) I believe the rumor was they were only offering one pick, which would likely be very, very late.

That's not some kind of amazing offer. You can't trade KD and 2 years from now only have an overpaid White and a recent #29 pick to show for it.

1. Having players on your team and not looking from outside is different. We even managed to keep D. Will where all people even his wife thought they were going home. Cuban was spitting blood when he found out.
2. Derrick White can be replaced with Grant Williams, he will expire after this season. It won't be a problem at all.
3. That's why LA picks where crucial. Until Jeanie Buss shows any level of competence, those picks will cost fortune.

[cam24thomas]

This thread is becoming the biggest liability..... as Ben is becoming Brooklyn's biggest asset.
Can't say he didn't warn you, when he said this on the eve of the season opener- "Still taking a lot of time. I've only played four [pre-season] games -- but over time I'm going to get there."

[sashaturiaf]

This thread is becoming the biggest liability..... as Ben is becoming Brooklyn's biggest asset.
Can't say he didn't warn you, when he said this on the eve of the season opener- "Still taking a lot of time. I've only played four [pre-season] games -- but over time I'm going to get there."

Come on Ben10 we all wish Ben can get back to his all-NBA form but that is blasphemy

This team goes as far as #7 takes us, Ben can be a great complementary star around him if all goes well.

[cam24thomas]

This thread is becoming the biggest liability..... as Ben is becoming Brooklyn's biggest asset.
Can't say he didn't warn you, when he said this on the eve of the season opener- "Still taking a lot of time. I've only played four [pre-season] games -- but over time I'm going to get there."

Come on Ben10 we all wish Ben can get back to his all-NBA form but that is blasphemy

This team goes as far as #7 takes us, Ben can be a great complementary star around him if all goes well.

Durant is currently better than Ben Simmons, but I don't think Brooklyn are a championship contender without Ben Simmons.

[GTR11]

This thread is becoming the biggest liability..... as Ben is becoming Brooklyn's biggest asset.
Can't say he didn't warn you, when he said this on the eve of the season opener- "Still taking a lot of time. I've only played four [pre-season] games -- but over time I'm going to get there."

You sound like a female who has a crush on Ben

This is THE BEST TEAM that Ben been on fit wise. Lot's of shooters and switch happy system where he can gamble around for a steal ( he is amazing at that though ). The jury still up on him. He have to show us something vs Bucks and Saltics. EC will be going through them and Ben with Kyrie will have to show up.

[sashaturiaf]

This thread is becoming the biggest liability..... as Ben is becoming Brooklyn's biggest asset.
Can't say he didn't warn you, when he said this on the eve of the season opener- "Still taking a lot of time. I've only played four [pre-season] games -- but over time I'm going to get there."

Come on Ben10 we all wish Ben can get back to his all-NBA form but that is blasphemy

This team goes as far as #7 takes us, Ben can be a great complementary star around him if all goes well.

Durant is currently better than Ben Simmons, but I don't think Brooklyn are a championship contender without Ben Simmons.

I agree with you. We need Ben at his best to bring us to the next level.

Ultimately the goal is a championship, so if Ben by some miracle wins finals MVP more power to him.

Also it's cool to have some player fans on this board to bring another perspective. We haven't had one since Harden got traded (Hardengoat)

[cam24thomas]

This thread is becoming the biggest liability..... as Ben is becoming Brooklyn's biggest asset.
Can't say he didn't warn you, when he said this on the eve of the season opener- "Still taking a lot of time. I've only played four [pre-season] games -- but over time I'm going to get there."

You sound like a female who has a crush on Ben

This is THE BEST TEAM that Ben been on fit wise. Lot's of shooters and switch happy system where he can gamble around for a steal ( he is amazing at that though ). The jury still up on him. He have to show us something vs Bucks and Saltics. EC will be going through them and Ben with Kyrie will have to show up.

I could end up being married to Ben because I do two jobs that I can meet Ben at, plus I live in Melbourne which he's from

Come on Ben10 we all wish Ben can get back to his all-NBA form but that is blasphemy

This team goes as far as #7 takes us, Ben can be a great complementary star around him if all goes well.

Durant is currently better than Ben Simmons, but I don't think Brooklyn are a championship contender without Ben Simmons.

I agree with you. We need Ben at his best to bring us to the next level.

Ultimately the goal is a championship, so if Ben by some miracle wins finals MVP more power to him.

Also it's cool to have some player fans on this board to bring another perspective. We haven't had one since Harden got traded (Hardengoat)

Durant's my 2nd favorite player so I don't mind if Durant wins Finals MVP, I want Durant to win more Finals MVPs than LeBron anyways.
I've never met Hardengoat, or I might have but forgot.

[Papi_swav]

This thread is becoming the biggest liability..... as Ben is becoming Brooklyn's biggest asset.
Can't say he didn't warn you, when he said this on the eve of the season opener- "Still taking a lot of time. I've only played four [pre-season] games -- but over time I'm going to get there."

Come on Ben10 we all wish Ben can get back to his all-NBA form but that is blasphemy

This team goes as far as #7 takes us, Ben can be a great complementary star around him if all goes well.

Durant is currently better than Ben Simmons, but I don't think Brooklyn are a championship contender without Ben Simmons.

I agree, we're going to need someone to defend Giannis and Tatum. Ben needs to be that guy.

[cam24thomas]

Come on Ben10 we all wish Ben can get back to his all-NBA form but that is blasphemy

This team goes as far as #7 takes us, Ben can be a great complementary star around him if all goes well.

Durant is currently better than Ben Simmons, but I don't think Brooklyn are a championship contender without Ben Simmons.

I agree, we're going to need someone to defend Giannis and Tatum. Ben needs to be that guy.

Tatum only shot .367 from the field in the NBA Finals, so Ben will clean him for sure

[GTR11]

If Ben can replicate what Wiggins did to Tatum, than we going to back door sweep Saltics for sure.

He can't guard Giannis though, he's to physical for Ben. Not many can though, it'll have to be entire team. Maybe Nic can handle him for a few, but refs will be calling celebrity fouls for sure.

If Ben can shut Khris and give us 15.10.10 than we in a really good place. They just won't have enough fire power. Jrue ain't really a scorer and will be dealing with Kyrie, Ingles washed up ( last two years he couldn't even defend chair, stay hurt ) and they don't really have enough depth. Our friend Javon Carter be logging 25+ min a game. That bum is trash

[MrDollarBills]

Ben has always been an X factor to me. If he continues to play his game like this he makes everyone around him better