How many seasons of Curry would you trade for 10 seasons of Lebron?

[Matt15]

Same idea as the Kobe/Shaq thread. How many years of Peak Curry would you trade for 10 years of Peak Lebron.

[falcolombardi]

Realistically i dont think curry has enough healthy prime-ish seasons for this, even starting from 2013 as his first semi prime year and assuming he will be healthy for this full year is still only 10 years total and i wouldnt trade them for lebron best 10 years. And we dont know how long curry body will keep up after this year

Unrealistically, i would start to consider it at15 prime curry seasons vs 10 prime lebron seasons, those extra 5 tries at building a ring team go a long way

[RealOne]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

[1993Playoffs]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Maybe In the regular season. I’m not sure how you can watch both in the playoffs over the past 6-7 years to come to such a conclusion. Not even mentiong defense

[No-more-rings]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

[falcolombardi]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game

Not relevant to the question at hand

Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

I got 17 and 18 warriors, which is the other one?

Also are you not even gonna mention that was the most stacked "supporting cast" of all time?

[eminence]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game

Not relevant to the question at hand

Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

I got 17 and 18 warriors, which is the other one?

Also are you not even gonna mention that was the most stacked "supporting cast" of all time?

Depending on your cut off for 'greatness' it's hard to make an argument against the '15 Warriors being very very good.

[falcolombardi]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game

Not relevant to the question at hand

Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

I got 17 and 18 warriors, which is the other one?

Also are you not even gonna mention that was the most stacked "supporting cast" of all time?

Depending on your cut off for 'greatness' it's hard to make an argument against the '15 Warriors being very very good.

15 warriors are great but i dont see what would make them greater thsn 16 cavs or 13 heat as teams

[falcolombardi]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Maybe In the regular season. I’m not sure how you can watch both in the playoffs over the past 6-7 years to come to such a conclusion. Not even mentiong defense

If you go by regular season then lebron 2009,2010 and 2013 are individually up there with anyone for reg seasom peaks too, let alone all 3

[No-more-rings]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game

Not relevant to the question at hand

Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

I got 17 and 18 warriors, which is the other one?

Also are you not even gonna mention that was the most stacked "supporting cast" of all time?

Depending on your cut off for 'greatness' it's hard to make an argument against the '15 Warriors being very very good.

I’d say they were great, but not a top 10 all time team or anything like that. Depends on the criteria I guess. I’d say they underperformed a bit in the playoffs, on paper they should’ve made quicker work of the Grizzlies and Cavs. Even in regular season SRS they were 11th all time, but again by playoff performance I don’t think they held up to that standard. For one thing their ORTG fell 3 points.

[falcolombardi]

Not relevant to the question at hand



I got 17 and 18 warriors, which is the other one?

Also are you not even gonna mention that was the most stacked "supporting cast" of all time?

Depending on your cut off for 'greatness' it's hard to make an argument against the '15 Warriors being very very good.

I’d say they were great, but not a top 10 all time team or anything like that. Depends on the criteria I guess. I’d say they underperformed a bit in the playoffs, on paper they should’ve made quicker work of the Grizzlies and Cavs. Even in regular season SRS they were 11th all time, but again by playoff performance I don’t think they held up to that standard. For one thing their ORTG fell 3 points.

2013 heat is a decent comparision to 2015 warriors, monster regular season record into great not particularlt dominant championship

2013 spurs being a better win that the injured 15 cavs

[eminence]

Depending on your cut off for 'greatness' it's hard to make an argument against the '15 Warriors being very very good.

I’d say they were great, but not a top 10 all time team or anything like that. Depends on the criteria I guess. I’d say they underperformed a bit in the playoffs, on paper they should’ve made quicker work of the Grizzlies and Cavs. Even in regular season SRS they were 11th all time, but again by playoff performance I don’t think they held up to that standard. For one thing their ORTG fell 3 points.

2013 heat is a decent comparision to 2015 warriors, monster regular season record into great not particularlt dominant championship

2013 spurs being a better win that the injured 15 cavs

Complete list of 3pt era champions with both a better RS Net rating (6th best) and PO Net rating (14th best) than the '15 Warriors (read as more separation from their competition during both the RS and the PO).

'96 Bulls
'17 Warriors

End of list.

Alternatively, 9th alltime in full season win % amongst champions.

Trailing

'96 Bulls
'17 Warriors
'72 Lakers
'97 Bulls
'67 Sixers
'86 Celtics
'71 Bucks
'83 Sixers

with the '87 Lakers just behind them rounding out the top 10.

[LukaTheGOAT]

His, Draymond, and Klay's whole accumulated careers I might take over 10 seasons of Lebron.

[LukaTheGOAT]

I think we need to wait for the rest of Curry's career to get a more accurate estimate. Looking at their playoff careers, I am not sure pitting Lebron's 10 best PS (rough estimate), against Curry's PS career (to be fair he only has 9 runs and they all haven't been as long as Lebron's). However, that perhaps perfectly encapsulates the problem; since the goal is to increase championships odds, I am putting a premium on the PS. And yes, James has benefitted from more PS time, but even if you take per game impact during these 10 best seasons, he just comes out looking stronger. Then you add onto the fact, that Curry didn't truly start having superstar impact until 2013, I think the only season of note that would be missing in this analysis is his vaunted 2021 season, however I feel as if this would not bridge the gap.

VORP Analysis

In Lebron's 10 best postseason runs, he has accumulated a VORP of 25.5.

Steph has career PS VORP of 11.4.


Winshares Analysis

In Lebron's 10 best postseason runs, he has accumulated 46.1 PS win shares.

Steph has a career 20.3 PS win shares.


Total Points Added Analysis per NBA MATH

In Lebron's 10 best postseason runs per TPA of 1,769 Total Points Added

Steph has a career TPA of 613.66


If we HALVE Lebron's Playoff Individual Score per NBA MATH, he has a score of 3126.3.

Steph has a career Playoff Individual Score per NBA MATH of 2,674.40.


If we HALVE Lebron's Total Playoff Score per NBA MATH, he has a score of 3,822.595.

Steph has a Total Playoff Score per NBA MATH of 3,589.13.



If you want to look at things on a rate basis, well not necessarily including Lebron's top 10 seasons.

From 09-18 in the PS Lebron had

BPM: 10.6
WS/48-0.260
PER-29.4

with 8,000 minutes played


In Steph's total playoff career

BPM: 7.1
WS/48-0.195
PER-23.2

with 4,999 minutes played

I think Lebron not only looking better in this sample, but also being able to be so durable and have the endurance to play the way he did is a feather in his cap.

[Jaivl]

I’d say they were great, but not a top 10 all time team or anything like that. Depends on the criteria I guess. I’d say they underperformed a bit in the playoffs, on paper they should’ve made quicker work of the Grizzlies and Cavs. Even in regular season SRS they were 11th all time, but again by playoff performance I don’t think they held up to that standard. For one thing their ORTG fell 3 points.

2013 heat is a decent comparision to 2015 warriors, monster regular season record into great not particularlt dominant championship

2013 spurs being a better win that the injured 15 cavs

Complete list of 3pt era champions with both a better RS Net rating (6th best) and PO Net rating (14th best) than the '15 Warriors (read as more separation from their competition during both the RS and the PO).

'96 Bulls
'17 Warriors

End of list.

Alternatively, 9th alltime in full season win % amongst champions.

Trailing

'96 Bulls
'17 Warriors
'72 Lakers
'97 Bulls
'67 Sixers
'86 Celtics
'71 Bucks
'83 Sixers

with the '87 Lakers just behind them rounding out the top 10.

I'd take a decent bunch of teams over that #14 rating, considering what lineups they actually had to face in the playoffs (injured Jrue and Conley, no Irving or Love).

[RealOne]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game

Not relevant to the question at hand

Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

I got 17 and 18 warriors, which is the other one?

Also are you not even gonna mention that was the most stacked "supporting cast" of all time?

During his peak years Curry played the game at such a high level that he changed the way the game itself is played. Id say that's relevant.

2016 was an all time great team as well. I realize they lost in the finals but there some exenuating circumstances invloved. Up until the NBA Finals GS was on track to be considered the best team ever. 2015 was also a great team.

Lebron has played on stacked teams as well.

[Dutchball97]

Id take Curry's best 6 or 7 seasons over Lebron's. Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game he also anchored the best teams in the league. Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

Curry during his peak years not only revolutionized the game

Not relevant to the question at hand

Prime Curry actually anchored 3 of the greatest teams of all time.

I got 17 and 18 warriors, which is the other one?

Also are you not even gonna mention that was the most stacked "supporting cast" of all time?

During his peak years Curry played the game at such a high level that he changed the way the game itself is played. Id say that's relevant.

2016 was an all time great team as well. I realize they lost in the finals but there some exenuating circumstances invloved. Up until the NBA Finals GS was on track to be considered the best team ever. 2015 was also a great team.

Lebron has played on stacked teams as well.

I fail to see how Curry changing the game is relevant for this comparison. For example Nash changed the game more than any of his contemporaries in the 2000s but that doesn't necessarily make him a better player than guys like Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, KG, Dirk.

LeBron has legit like 8 seasons that can be argued among the best seasons of all-time (2009, 2010, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018). That's not even counting 2020 where he placed 2nd in MVP voting and won FMVP or how about 2007 where he was only top 5 in MVP but arguably the best player in the post-season untill the finals (similar to a season like 2019 Curry) or 2011 where he was probably the best player in both the regular season and play-offs but is overlooked due to not being nearly as good as the years prior or after.

Meanwhile with Curry we struggle to even put together 10 All-Star level years. Even if we include 2013 where he probably should've made it and this current season where he will definitely make it as well, that's 10 and some of those seasons that barely sneak in have to go up against MVP-level seasons with deep play-off runs from LeBron.

To be fair I'd say the only players who have legitimate arguments for having a better top 10 seasons than LeBron are MJ and Kareem. Even then for those two you can barely get a list of top 10 MVP level seasons together, while with LeBron you have to seriously wonder which seasons to leave off the list. This isn't a knock against Curry, I feel like LeBron doesn't really lose to anyone in this scenario.

[eminence]

Anywho, I'd have it similar to the Kobe/Shaq question, with me preferring each of the guys in this comp, but the gap being similar, maybe a tiny bit closer.

~16 seasons would be my guess off the top.

[eminence]

2013 heat is a decent comparision to 2015 warriors, monster regular season record into great not particularlt dominant championship

2013 spurs being a better win that the injured 15 cavs

Complete list of 3pt era champions with both a better RS Net rating (6th best) and PO Net rating (14th best) than the '15 Warriors (read as more separation from their competition during both the RS and the PO).

'96 Bulls
'17 Warriors

End of list.

Alternatively, 9th alltime in full season win % amongst champions.

Trailing

'96 Bulls
'17 Warriors
'72 Lakers
'97 Bulls
'67 Sixers
'86 Celtics
'71 Bucks
'83 Sixers

with the '87 Lakers just behind them rounding out the top 10.

I'd take a decent bunch of teams over that #14 rating, considering what lineups they actually had to face in the playoffs (injured Jrue and Conley, no Irving or Love).

Sure, and I'd take them over a few of the squads above them, eg it's not like the '85 Lakers went through murder's row with a garbage West and broken handed Larry in the finals.

It's tough to not have the '15 Warriors as a ~top 20 team of alltime by anything resembling an objective measure.

[Woodsanity]

I would need his entire career just to consider it. Curry literally only has 8 all star seasons, 9 if you include this one. His longevity isnt that great.