Dutchball97 wrote:AEnigma wrote:Another well-argued contribution from the guy openly here because he felt too insecure about Jordan.
I've explained why the game 2 4th quarter wasn't just garbage time and in response OhayoKD accuses me of dismissing context when I've literally just added context to a claim about Jordan that everyone was ignoring up till that point and mostly still are. I came in here with a good faith argument and only dismissed you guys when my arguments were thrown out the window as biased when they didn't fit your narrative.
Uh huh.
The Pistons had 36 points in the 4th quarter, MJ doesn't go off and they quite possibly lose that game. I know people have been clawing lately to try to talk Jordan down but having a strong 4th quarter in the ECF against a notoriously tough defensive team should be an argument for his greatness, not against.
Good faith!
Ohayo then mostly breezes past that and spends some time contextualising the dynamic by which Jordan “went off” (i.e. the Pistons desperately fouling him to stay in the game) and challenging the quality of that defence relative to what it had been, and then closes by basically saying your analysis was lazy — which it was, whether because you did not feel like putting forth any more effort or because you could not.
In response, you basically ignore everything he wrote and do a slight expansion on your initial comment.
Ohayo again expands on his point, and reminds you that you came in and accused everyone of “clawing to talk Jordan down”, and then your response ignores everything he wrote but for basically claiming that he started all the “bias” talk, at which point I came in because I was fed up with your dishonest attempt to reframe everything as if Jordan was some victim.
And then of course you accused me of bias too, because that is apparently the only real move you have.
Ohayo continues to show a lot more patience than I would and highlights how making that your only real move does nothing to advance discussion and if anything only serves to derail legitimate conversation and analysis… and then your response to that is to say he and I are in the midst of an “emotional meltdown”, “spewing venom” in an “echo chamber” of uninteresting and meaningless discussions “without bringing up comparative arguments”, even as you aggressively avoid comparisons and analysis and instead sit here hurling insults and accusations because an offhand observation was made that Jordan’s box score averages may be mildly overstated in much the way the same is often said of Lebron’s 2014.
I'm not even a Jordan fan but judging by your comment it's apparently uncommon for you to stick up for the level of play of a player you don't like or am I wrong?
So what exactly should we call someone who has Jordan as his #1 peak to such an extent that he actively derails any thread that threatens to cast the slightest tangential aspersions on it. You can “stick up” for him, sure (so brave!), but the more that requires you reflexively rage against even mild criticisms, the less it looks like anything other than insecure fanboying (whether you see yourself as that or not). Falco asked a question, brought up two similar instances from Lebron and Jordan to get it started (sadly too often a dangerous move), and now half the thread is devoted to you crying about daring to bring up Jordan.
If you want to paint yourself as some measured neutral party, this may be the absolute worst way you could have possibly done it.
