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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

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Post#62 » by Maverick41 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:27 am

It's clear as day at this point that Wood is not being treated fairly by Kidd. Does he make mistakes on defense from time to time? Sure but so does everyone else on the team. I don't see Powell being taken out for the millions of times he forgets to box out for defensive rebounds. Or THJ when he chucks like crazy and is an even worse defender then Wood. Or Spencer who gets lost on rotations often. Or Luka who is the most prone in the NBA to not getting back on defense and not rotating whenever he's tired. The second Wood makes a mistake, Kidd pulls him and puts him on timeout like he's a child. At this point, it's no longer coaching. It's punishment.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#63 » by BliscoSantos » Mon Nov 21, 2022 5:41 am

I think Wood's done in Dallas...don't know if they Play him this Little doo that he doesn't get top big od a contract or because they Just don't like him....either way maybe it's Best if they trade him...offer Wood and Bullock for Collins....you won't be getting anything better unfortunately
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#64 » by Maverick41 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:02 am

BliscoSantos wrote:I think Wood's done in Dallas...don't know if they Play him this Little doo that he doesn't get top big od a contract or because they Just don't like him....either way maybe it's Best if they trade him...offer Wood and Bullock for Collins....you won't be getting anything better unfortunately

Agree. Either we trade him or it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he will leave for nothing if this continues.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#65 » by ejs78 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:12 am

On team Wood will be traded, but that doesn't mean you don't do whats best for the team which is try to win.

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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#66 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:42 am

LET THE **** HOT GUYS PLAY.

This L is on Kidd. I'm sick and tired to see Bullock, DFS, Hardaway and SD play a lot of minutes when they are ice cold.
In every team the role players don't play when the are off.
We can't expect that Luka won all games for us.
That's a disaster.

And yes, like i always said Bertans opens the court like no other on this roster.
He is the best shooter of the team by far, when he is hot he has to play. He can change the games.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#67 » by Absinthe » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:16 am

Kidd pulled the same thing in Milwaukee. The players that he favored loved him and they fought to keep him as coach because they knew they were guaranteed playing time. The other half of the team checked out after the first season because they knew they were in the dog house no matter what they did. He’s just like Larry Brown in that regard.

This isn’t all on coaching and Kidd, however. The Mavs have played down and played up against opponents under Carlisle and now they’re doing it under Kidd. A team should not be losing against a Denver team without Joker, Murray, and Gordon even if the coach is a potato. So yes, Kidd’s rotations and substitutions are garbage but so is the team’s mentality when it comes to competing. They have lost so many give me games this season because of effort. Carlisle can’t fix that and neither can Kidd. No one can other than the players.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#68 » by Bob8 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:19 am

ejs78 wrote:On team Wood will be traded, but that doesn't mean you don't do whats best for the team which is try to win.

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Or maybe there's another mastermind plan behind it. Not play him much until he signs an extension, being afraid of repeating Brunson situation. I was afraid before the season but all this is exceeding my fears.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#69 » by Bob8 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:37 am

Absinthe wrote:Kidd pulled the same thing in Milwaukee. The players that he favored loved him and they fought to keep him as coach because they knew they were guaranteed playing time. The other half of the team checked out after the first season because they knew they were in the dog house no matter what they did. He’s just like Larry Brown in that regard.

This isn’t all on coaching and Kidd, however. The Mavs have played down and played up against opponents under Carlisle and now they’re doing it under Kidd. A team should not be losing against a Denver team without Joker, Murray, and Gordon even if the coach is a potato. So yes, Kidd’s rotations and substitutions are garbage but so is the team’s mentality when it comes to competing. They have lost so many give me games this season because of effort. Carlisle can’t fix that and neither can Kidd. No one can other than the players.


I believe it's mostly on coach, if 3 players, who scored 8 points with 2/19 shooting, played 82 minutes. Bertans on the other hand has played 14 minutes and has scored 15 points with just 7 shots and had far the best +/- with +21, so you can't say he was unplayable because of his bad D.

Bullock, who had far the worst -25 +/-, has played 14 bad games in this season but is still cemented as starter. 5 points with unbelievable 31 Fg% in big 29 minutes makes him the worst starter in Nba. THJ is similar bad with 31.5 Fg%. And to finish this trio, you have DFS with 8 points and 41 Fg% with huge 33 minutes. Wood on the other hand is averaging 16.6/7.5 with 57 Fg% in just 24 minutes. Something is rotten in the state of Texas.

Kidd&friends should go as soon as possible and take Nico with them.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#70 » by 41Dirk41 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:53 am

Bob8 wrote:
ejs78 wrote:On team Wood will be traded, but that doesn't mean you don't do whats best for the team which is try to win.

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Or maybe there's another mastermind plan behind it. Not play him much until he signs an extension, being afraid of repeating Brunson situation. I was afraid before the season but all this is exceeding my fears.


Sure. Cuban and Harrison masterplan are always fantastic :lol: :lol: :lol:

Indeed my expection of the season are confirmed.
No news.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#71 » by Mavrelous » Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:13 am

Absinthe wrote:Kidd pulled the same thing in Milwaukee. The players that he favored loved him and they fought to keep him as coach because they knew they were guaranteed playing time. The other half of the team checked out after the first season because they knew they were in the dog house no matter what they did. He’s just like Larry Brown in that regard.

This isn’t all on coaching and Kidd, however. The Mavs have played down and played up against opponents under Carlisle and now they’re doing it under Kidd. A team should not be losing against a Denver team without Joker, Murray, and Gordon even if the coach is a potato. So yes, Kidd’s rotations and substitutions are garbage but so is the team’s mentality when it comes to competing. They have lost so many give me games this season because of effort. Carlisle can’t fix that and neither can Kidd. No one can other than the players.

Absolutely it's also on the players, but there is one thing about this team, it's deep, when Bertans is playing like that and THJ/Bullock play like that, you don't play the 48 minutes and Bertans 14.
The lane was closed yesterday, and the team needed to make shots, he kept playing bad shooters and roll men...
Kidd needs to go, not getting another PG, wasting the TPMLE and letting Kokoskov is on him, he got what he wanted and this is what he has to show for it.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#72 » by Darren » Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:50 am

The Mavs is tanking for the top pick. And Kidd will be fired by the end of the season.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#73 » by Archx » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:05 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:Somebody needs to tell Luka to stop chucking Haill Marys when you're down one...great basketball IQ but already a couple of poor choices for the win(either he wants to be the hero or doesn't trust anybody Else)...also, Kidd sucks...some really bad coaching this year(lineups, minutes distribution, falling timeouts and plays)...also let the teams know anybody besides Luka is available,this team needs changes...and give Hardy a chance(je deserves to make mistakes,THRjr and Bullock,McGee make dumb plays all the time)...so frustranting to keep loosing to teams without their Best Players(multiple not one)


I just replayed the last 3 seconds. DFS, Green, Bullock, Bertans and Luka.

DFS inbounds the ball, 2 Denver guys right away go to Doncic, he could have passed back to DFS but Bones was there to run to contest DFS. Green went to set the screen and was not a factor after that. In the corner was Bullock who was ice cold for the game, also guarded. In the other corner was Bertans who tried to free himself up but started running late when Luka was basically already in the shooting motion.

Sure it wasn't a lot of clock left but this entire execution looked something that amaters do in rec league. I don't know what these guys practice but it sure looks like not a whole lot. Would have been much better if Green inbounded the ball and then maybe Luka could have quickly passed back because Green was hot. Or Bullock making a screen for Bertans etc... So many options lol.

I also noticed Sweeney is not as animated as he was last season on the sides. It's just Kidd standing there looking like he has no clue what to do. I'm 100% sure last year his offense was carried by Kokoskov and Sweeney, there is no way a coach would go from being good to absolutely horrible in only 6 months.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#74 » by leolozon » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:21 pm

Maverick41 wrote:
BliscoSantos wrote:I think Wood's done in Dallas...don't know if they Play him this Little doo that he doesn't get top big od a contract or because they Just don't like him....either way maybe it's Best if they trade him...offer Wood and Bullock for Collins....you won't be getting anything better unfortunately

Agree. Either we trade him or it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he will leave for nothing if this continues.


They trade for a 20/10 starter playing 31mpg, play him inconsistently off the bench despite performing well... Trading him away shouldn't be a solution. I feel like I'm living in bizarro world with the front office and coach being so incompetent.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#75 » by leolozon » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:22 pm

Darren wrote:The Mavs is tanking for the top pick. And Kidd will be fired by the end of the season.


They don't have a pick... (If the goal is to be bottom 10, they have some work to do because they'll probably still be over .500 as some of the guys will play well at some point.)
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#76 » by Bob8 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:27 pm

Darren wrote:The Mavs is tanking for the top pick. And Kidd will be fired by the end of the season.


Are we helping Knicks once more?
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#77 » by Maverick41 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:46 pm

FYI Mavs 23FRP is top 10 protected.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#78 » by Bob8 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:12 pm

Maverick41 wrote:FYI Mavs 23FRP is top 10 protected.


I'm fairly pessimistic, but to get top 10 pick would be total failure, probably Luka out with longterm injury.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#79 » by Absinthe » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:16 pm

Bob8 wrote:
Absinthe wrote:Kidd pulled the same thing in Milwaukee. The players that he favored loved him and they fought to keep him as coach because they knew they were guaranteed playing time. The other half of the team checked out after the first season because they knew they were in the dog house no matter what they did. He’s just like Larry Brown in that regard.

This isn’t all on coaching and Kidd, however. The Mavs have played down and played up against opponents under Carlisle and now they’re doing it under Kidd. A team should not be losing against a Denver team without Joker, Murray, and Gordon even if the coach is a potato. So yes, Kidd’s rotations and substitutions are garbage but so is the team’s mentality when it comes to competing. They have lost so many give me games this season because of effort. Carlisle can’t fix that and neither can Kidd. No one can other than the players.


I believe it's mostly on coach, if 3 players, who scored 8 points with 2/19 shooting, played 82 minutes. Bertans on the other hand has played 14 minutes and has scored 15 points with just 7 shots and had far the best +/- with +21, so you can't say he was unplayable because of his bad D.

Bullock, who had far the worst -25 +/-, has played 14 bad games in this season but is still cemented as starter. 5 points with unbelievable 31 Fg% in big 29 minutes makes him the worst starter in Nba. THJ is similar bad with 31.5 Fg%. And to finish this trio, you have DFS with 8 points and 41 Fg% with huge 33 minutes. Wood on the other hand is averaging 16.6/7.5 with 57 Fg% in just 24 minutes. Something is rotten in the state of Texas.

Kidd&friends should go as soon as possible and take Nico with them.


You can’t blame it on the coach when they’ve had two consecutive coaches who have done a fine job. It’s on the roster. Kidd overperformed last year and I honestly believe he took this roster as far as they can possibly go—the Western conference finals. Kidd and Carlisle had Luka and no true second option to coach around. The roster is garbage. It’s supposed to be full of three and defensive guys, but the defense and three point shooting is so up and down across the board it simply doesn’t work. Players like DFS and Bullock and Kleiber are asked to do too much and they’re treated like they’re second options when they’re role players (we’re talking fourth and fifth options) on a championship team. No coach can get what Kidd got out of this roster last season. Unless someone like Bradley Beal is walks through that door then the coach is completely screwed with this roster construction.

How many times do DFS and Bullock drive to the basket or shoot free throws? You try winning with that.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs vs Nuggets (Sunday, 7:30PM EST) 

Post#80 » by Bob8 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:25 pm

Absinthe wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Absinthe wrote:Kidd pulled the same thing in Milwaukee. The players that he favored loved him and they fought to keep him as coach because they knew they were guaranteed playing time. The other half of the team checked out after the first season because they knew they were in the dog house no matter what they did. He’s just like Larry Brown in that regard.

This isn’t all on coaching and Kidd, however. The Mavs have played down and played up against opponents under Carlisle and now they’re doing it under Kidd. A team should not be losing against a Denver team without Joker, Murray, and Gordon even if the coach is a potato. So yes, Kidd’s rotations and substitutions are garbage but so is the team’s mentality when it comes to competing. They have lost so many give me games this season because of effort. Carlisle can’t fix that and neither can Kidd. No one can other than the players.


I believe it's mostly on coach, if 3 players, who scored 8 points with 2/19 shooting, played 82 minutes. Bertans on the other hand has played 14 minutes and has scored 15 points with just 7 shots and had far the best +/- with +21, so you can't say he was unplayable because of his bad D.

Bullock, who had far the worst -25 +/-, has played 14 bad games in this season but is still cemented as starter. 5 points with unbelievable 31 Fg% in big 29 minutes makes him the worst starter in Nba. THJ is similar bad with 31.5 Fg%. And to finish this trio, you have DFS with 8 points and 41 Fg% with huge 33 minutes. Wood on the other hand is averaging 16.6/7.5 with 57 Fg% in just 24 minutes. Something is rotten in the state of Texas.

Kidd&friends should go as soon as possible and take Nico with them.


You can’t blame it on the coach when they’ve had two consecutive coaches who have done a fine job. It’s on the roster. Kidd overperformed last year and I honestly believe he took this roster as far as they can possibly go—the Western conference finals. Kidd and Carlisle had Luka and no true second option to coach around. The roster is garbage. It’s supposed to be full of three and defensive guys, but the defense and three point shooting is so up and down across the board it simply doesn’t work. Players like DFS and Bullock and Kleiber are asked to do too much and they’re treated like they’re second options when they’re role players (we’re talking fourth and fifth options) on a championship team. No coach can get what Kidd got out of this roster last season. Unless someone like Bradley Beal is walks through that door then the coach is completely screwed with this roster construction.

How many times do DFS and Bullock drive to the basket or shoot free throws? You try winning with that.


I agree that roster is bad, but in a single game management, you can't play totally cold players for 82 minutes and Bertans/Wood 15. Something are roster limitations, which we talked about before the season and something totally different is a single game management, which was disastrous.

Denver has played without 3 starters and another 1 got injured early in the game. We haven't lost this game, because our roster is worse than this depleted Nuggets, but because of total incompetence of the coach.

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