2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

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It's early but who is your current NBA MVP?

Giannis Antetokounmpo
99
26%
Luka Doncic
75
20%
Jayson Tatum
80
21%
Nikola Jokic
53
14%
Stephen Curry
33
9%
Donovan Mitchell
4
1%
Ja Morant
2
1%
Zion Williamson
12
3%
Devin Booker
12
3%
Joel Embiid
14
4%
 
Total votes: 384

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Post#741 » by NBA4Lyfe » Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:31 am

BoatsNZones wrote:Another 33/7/15 on a 75% TS (3 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover) for the best player in the association this season. The reigning Finals MVP and top player of the past decade. The Chef.


they played the worst team in the league, and klay had 41
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Post#742 » by BoatsNZones » Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:54 am

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BoatsNZones wrote:Another 33/7/15 on a 75% TS (3 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover) for the best player in the association this season. The reigning Finals MVP and top player of the past decade. The Chef.


they played the worst team in the league, and klay had 41

They did. Bench still almost lost it for them despite a + >20.

He’s averaging 33/7/7 on a 70%TS with metrics never seen before.

Let’s continue
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Post#743 » by SpreeS » Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:54 am

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BoatsNZones wrote:Another 33/7/15 on a 75% TS (3 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover) for the best player in the association this season. The reigning Finals MVP and top player of the past decade. The Chef.


they played the worst team in the league, and klay had 41


Everyone is playing against bad teams. Luka played against the worst possible team two game in a row

Deandre/Green/Porter/Pope/Brown
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Post#744 » by BoatsNZones » Mon Nov 21, 2022 3:56 am

SpreeS wrote:
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BoatsNZones wrote:Another 33/7/15 on a 75% TS (3 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover) for the best player in the association this season. The reigning Finals MVP and top player of the past decade. The Chef.


they played the worst team in the league, and klay had 41


Everyone is playing against bad teams. Luka played against the worst possible team two game in a row

Deandre/Green/Porter/Pope/Brown

These are facts.
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Post#745 » by Onus » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:55 am

BoatsNZones wrote:Just listened to a Ringer podcast with Wos and the nerds (clearly not stat nerds), and they had their early season official “best of” discussion, including best player thus far (not MVP). They mentioned 4-5 names, and Steph Curry’s never came up once in the podcast. What generational player is less respected than him? Giving D Book 1st Team over Curry last year was a joke as well.

Literally record breaking start (better than his 2016 unanimous MVP stat line, which was unarguable due to the record breaking wins), and he’s not a *mention*. It’s wild how clueless people who do this for a living can be.

That whole network just doesn’t like curry even if they say they do.
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
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Post#746 » by Dutchball97 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:36 am

With how close the west is I just keep flipflopping on my vote almost daily. Curry has been the best player imo, followed very closely by Luka but Curry is out of the play-offs with a record just under .500, while Luka is in the play-in with a record just over .500.

With neither of them in the play-off spots I go back to Tatum who I see as a top 5-ish player this season but benefits from having the best team record.
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Post#747 » by rocketsfan100 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:52 am

Tatum would probably win it if it were decided today. His team has the best record in the nba and he is playing as well as anyone with best record in the nba
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Post#748 » by SeanieWard » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:01 am

Onus wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:Just listened to a Ringer podcast with Wos and the nerds (clearly not stat nerds), and they had their early season official “best of” discussion, including best player thus far (not MVP). They mentioned 4-5 names, and Steph Curry’s never came up once in the podcast. What generational player is less respected than him? Giving D Book 1st Team over Curry last year was a joke as well.

Literally record breaking start (better than his 2016 unanimous MVP stat line, which was unarguable due to the record breaking wins), and he’s not a *mention*. It’s wild how clueless people who do this for a living can be.

That whole network just doesn’t like curry even if they say they do.


Curry wasn't all that in the regular season. I don't think he deserved first team all NBA and I'm a Steph fan. Once the 3 point record was within reach he started pressing and his efficiency took a hit like we never seen before from Steph. Then once the playoff came around he went nuclear but that shouldn't factor in

With that being said, what he's doing right now at 34 years of age is super impressive and he should be in the MVP discussion despite the Warriors 8-9 record. He's playing as good as he's ever played, especially distributing the basketball
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Post#749 » by Floody100 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:14 am

BoatsNZones wrote:Another 33/7/15 on a 75% TS (3 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover) for the best player in the association this season. The reigning Finals MVP and top player of the past decade. The Chef.


I think Lebron may have something to say about that ..
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Post#750 » by BoatsNZones » Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:56 am

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BoatsNZones wrote:Another 33/7/15 on a 75% TS (3 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover) for the best player in the association this season. The reigning Finals MVP and top player of the past decade. The Chef.


I think Lebron may have something to say about that ..

Past 10 years? Good luck with that argument.
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Post#751 » by Floody100 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:12 am

BoatsNZones wrote:
Floody100 wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:Another 33/7/15 on a 75% TS (3 steals, 2 blocks, 1 turnover) for the best player in the association this season. The reigning Finals MVP and top player of the past decade. The Chef.


I think Lebron may have something to say about that ..

Past 10 years? Good luck with that argument.


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Post#752 » by SpreeS » Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:26 am

Curry

1st 516pts
2nd 32.2pts
4th .697 TS
9th 7.1ast
2nd PER 30.5
1st WS 3.3
2nd WS/48 28.9
1st BPM 12.3
1st VORP 2.0
on/off +25.6
ORTG 121.7
1st Raptor +12.0
1st EPM +8.9
2nd RPM +9.53

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24th time per poss 5.9s (1st Luka 10.1s)
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Post#753 » by Statlanta » Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:46 am

It has to be Tatum at this point. He's not losing to garbage teams like Curry and Doncic are. And he's not sitting out like Jokic, Giannis and Embiid are.
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Post#754 » by SpreeS » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:22 pm

Statlanta wrote:It has to be Tatum at this point. He's not losing to garbage teams like Curry and Doncic are. And he's not sitting out like Jokic, Giannis and Embiid are.


I could accept Tatum for MVP. Stats and record are in place, but what can Curry do when bench has -17.4 netrtg???
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Post#755 » by _NoMas » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:32 pm

Statlanta wrote:It has to be Tatum at this point. He's not losing to garbage teams like Curry and Doncic are. And he's not sitting out like Jokic, Giannis and Embiid are.


Agree it’s Tatum at this point, but man if the Warriors could get it together and go on a run Steph is going to have a very compelling case. He’s playing lights out right now
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Post#756 » by WarriorGM » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:42 pm

Curry's situation is probably pretty unique. Can anyone come up with another time a team clearly had strong top end talent making them a clear championship contender but the team's management was putting significant importance to developing young players?
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Post#757 » by oldschooled » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:15 pm

Crazy numbers from Curry. Advanced and impact stats favour Curry atm. I still have Giannis and Curry over Luka which rounds my Top 3.
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Post#758 » by BoatsNZones » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:23 pm

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Onus wrote:
BoatsNZones wrote:Just listened to a Ringer podcast with Wos and the nerds (clearly not stat nerds), and they had their early season official “best of” discussion, including best player thus far (not MVP). They mentioned 4-5 names, and Steph Curry’s never came up once in the podcast. What generational player is less respected than him? Giving D Book 1st Team over Curry last year was a joke as well.

Literally record breaking start (better than his 2016 unanimous MVP stat line, which was unarguable due to the record breaking wins), and he’s not a *mention*. It’s wild how clueless people who do this for a living can be.

That whole network just doesn’t like curry even if they say they do.


Curry wasn't all that in the regular season. I don't think he deserved first team all NBA and I'm a Steph fan. Once the 3 point record was within reach he started pressing and his efficiency took a hit like we never seen before from Steph. Then once the playoff came around he went nuclear but that shouldn't factor in

With that being said, what he's doing right now at 34 years of age is super impressive and he should be in the MVP discussion despite the Warriors 8-9 record. He's playing as good as he's ever played, especially distributing the basketball

I mean Booker was 1st Team and Curry had the relative same counting stats with a better advanced line across the board, with it not being close in the PM on/off stats. It wasn’t his best season (despite being the near unanimous MVP through the first two official “straw polls” of actual ballot voters), but he was inarguably the better player and should have been 1st Team.

That’s in the past, but hearing that podcast of 4 different “NBA experts” not utter his name once when counting down the best players of the season this year was glaring. A guy like Kobe never played close to this great at his absolute peak, and we never would have heard the end of it had he.
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Post#759 » by Onus » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:45 pm

WarriorGM wrote:Curry's situation is probably pretty unique. Can anyone come up with another time a team clearly had strong top end talent making them a clear championship contender but the team's management was putting significant importance to developing young players?

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Post#760 » by SpreeS » Mon Nov 21, 2022 2:14 pm

BoatsNZones wrote:
SeanieWard wrote:
Onus wrote:That whole network just doesn’t like curry even if they say they do.


Curry wasn't all that in the regular season. I don't think he deserved first team all NBA and I'm a Steph fan. Once the 3 point record was within reach he started pressing and his efficiency took a hit like we never seen before from Steph. Then once the playoff came around he went nuclear but that shouldn't factor in

With that being said, what he's doing right now at 34 years of age is super impressive and he should be in the MVP discussion despite the Warriors 8-9 record. He's playing as good as he's ever played, especially distributing the basketball

I mean Booker was 1st Team and Curry had the relative same counting stats with a better advanced line across the board, with it not being close in the PM on/off stats. It wasn’t his best season (despite being the near unanimous MVP through the first two official “straw polls” of actual ballot voters), but he was inarguably the better player and should have been 1st Team.

That’s in the past, but hearing that podcast of 4 diffeeent “NBA experts” not utter his name once when counting down the best players of the season this year was glaring. A guy like Kobe never played close to this great at his absolute peak, and we never would have heard the end of it had he.


It's not the first time, nor will it be the last

2010 ROY Evans over Curry
2013 ALL-STAR Lee over Curry
2013 ALL-NBA 3rd Wade over Curry (Lee ALL-NBA 3rd team as F)
2015 FMVP Iggy over Curry
2017 FMVP KD over Curry
2017 ALL-NBA 1st Harden over Curry (Realgm TOP50 peaks - Curry 2017 11th)
2018 ALL-NBA 2nd DeRozan over Curry (Lebron with 45 games 2nd ALLNBA in 2021, 56 game 3rd ALLNBA in 2022 w/o PO)
2018 FMVP KD over Curry
2020 ALL-STAR Curry miss (Kobe 6 games 2014 - ALLSTAR, Jordan 18 games 86 - ALLSTAR)
2022 ALL-NBA 1st Booker over Curry

I dont say that all these selections are wrong, but its going into one direction with double standarts.

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