FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Group Stage

[HIF]

I don’t get these pundits here in the UK(BBC) I get that this World Cup is corrupt etc, but why slate the host country about the World Cup but be happy to be paid for working at the same said competition? I missed the start of the game but I also heard BBC didn’t make the ceremony available to see only on the red button? When has the BBC ever not shown an opening ceremony for a competition.

Personally I don't have a problem with broadcasters who are being paid to report the cup being there and reporting it, as long as they make it clear that they disagree (if they do) with some of the Qatar positions. If the companies are paying the Qataris to be there then I don't agree with them only their employees.

As long as you get to see the matches then I don't see why it should worry you about them "slating" the hosts. It would be hypocrisy if they didn't make people aware of the situation. So the opening ceremony was on the red button - so you could watch it, couldn't you?

Football isn't more important than human rights and this world cup has been made into a human rights issue. I didn't watch and haven't read anything about the match yet - I will do, at some time. When I do I'll be thinking of those indentured workers and their mates who died building the stadiums for this competition.

I do understand the issues in Qatar and I’ve said on a few post that I don’t necessarily agree with their stance on a few things (I get that most of the law their is based of Islam and sharia law etc). However why would you not show the ceremony on terrestrial television? I know majority of people have digital TVs/devices etc but for the few that don’t, they should also have access to watch it. They showed the Russian one for example and that was also corrupt/Russia also have their issues?

I will also have the thoughts of those workers the same way I’ve done for any competition I was pretty vocal about the conditions for the workers in Brazil etc.

I just find it funny that the crew on BBC felt so strongly about it and Gary Neville did, but it’s not like they don’t have a choice to work there. They can still reject it and I’ll even respect them for completing boycotting it.

Maybe you are right. I'm only giving my views for people to think about. I certainly don't think that everything I say or everything I believe is right

[LDNMagic90]

So does anyone plan on actually watching this thing? Curious how the ratings turn out?

To be honest I’m still watching it, I’m not going to act like I like what’s happening in Qatar. However i consume so many things that hasn’t got the best ethics and this is no different in my opinion.

That's your choice and your right. Of course if you were a Qatari gay you wouldn't be able to watch it, you wouldn't be alive. If you were an indentured Qatari worker or a family member of one of the many who died you may have different thoughts and actions. Sometimes we have to make a stand even if it is a little (inconsequential) stand.

I also admit I have my own ethical a moral codes.

I can only sympathise with anyone that’s been prosecuted for something you can’t change/help. As someone that’s a minority as well I can some what relate to it but not totally. Most of us watching or keeping tabs are in a more privileged position to be able to even discuss this on Realgm where as a Qatari boy Is likely not afforded that privilege without fear of his life and it’s so sad. Another reason why I hate FIFA for this ****.

[LDNMagic90]

Personally I don't have a problem with broadcasters who are being paid to report the cup being there and reporting it, as long as they make it clear that they disagree (if they do) with some of the Qatar positions. If the companies are paying the Qataris to be there then I don't agree with them only their employees.

As long as you get to see the matches then I don't see why it should worry you about them "slating" the hosts. It would be hypocrisy if they didn't make people aware of the situation. So the opening ceremony was on the red button - so you could watch it, couldn't you?

Football isn't more important than human rights and this world cup has been made into a human rights issue. I didn't watch and haven't read anything about the match yet - I will do, at some time. When I do I'll be thinking of those indentured workers and their mates who died building the stadiums for this competition.

I do understand the issues in Qatar and I’ve said on a few post that I don’t necessarily agree with their stance on a few things (I get that most of the law their is based of Islam and sharia law etc). However why would you not show the ceremony on terrestrial television? I know majority of people have digital TVs/devices etc but for the few that don’t, they should also have access to watch it. They showed the Russian one for example and that was also corrupt/Russia also have their issues?

I will also have the thoughts of those workers the same way I’ve done for any competition I was pretty vocal about the conditions for the workers in Brazil etc.

I just find it funny that the crew on BBC felt so strongly about it and Gary Neville did, but it’s not like they don’t have a choice to work there. They can still reject it and I’ll even respect them for completing boycotting it.

Maybe you are right. I'm only giving my views for people to think about. I certainly don't think that everything I say or everything I believe is right

No worries bro neither do I to be honest, plus I enjoy hearing other POVs from people here.

[LDNMagic90]

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Sigh another World Cup full of bribes, at this point how do you even take down FIFA? Gianni is just a baby Blatter at this point.

[HIF]

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Sigh another World Cup full of bribes, at this point how do you even take down FIFA? Gianni is just a baby Blatter at this point.

See the bulging pockets?

[Baphomet]

I'm not sure it is. If Neville is saying that qatar is a good country and they are treating LGBTQ+ and immigrants how they should be treated then he'd be wrong. If he's simply there watching and reporting on the football then I don't have a problem. He's being paid to do the job he loves, his expenses are paid by his employer, they may be the hypocrites, even Ian hislop could be seen as a hipocrit if he is talking about neville just to promote himself and his programme (though he probably isn't doing that - I don't know).

In the case of Neville and some others it is cognitive dissonance. He's been a very vocal critic of Qatar and always positions himself as a man of the people whenever there are discussions about ethics in football and government, but is more than happy to put that to the side, take their money, commentate for beIN sports, Qatar's primary sports network, whose owner is PSG's president.

We all love football here, and you're showing integrity by not watching this World Cup and staying true to your principles. Gary Neville is a multi-millionaire who has nothing to gain by going out there, and everything to lose in terms of reputation, and yet he took the money anyway. It's not like he had no choice, he could have done coverage or commentary for anyone. There are other stories like this all over. For what it's worth, I've thought Neville to be prick for a long time, so take what I say with a pinch of salt and through the lens of someone who already thinks he's a prick.

Just for context, Neville was hosting HIGNFY that night, I don't think he would have warranted a mention otherwise.

[Baphomet]

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Sigh another World Cup full of bribes, at this point how do you even take down FIFA? Gianni is just a baby Blatter at this point.

He's certainly friends with a lot of reputable characters.

[Baphomet]

To bring things a bit more to the football side of things and focusing specifically on the format, it's crazy how many top players have been injured and will miss the tournament because of the winter scheduling. Benzema, Mane, Jota, Kante, James, to name a few.

A combination of limited rest before the tournament and the congested fixtures has resulted in a real injury pile-up where players would ordinarily have some time after the season to recover and shake off knocks and minor injuries before the World Cup starts proper, in the summer. Even if you disregard all the discussion of ethics, human rights and LGBT concerns, etc. the winter format feels very slapdash and amateurish and has cost us the opportunity to see some great footballers playing for their countries.

Don't get me wrong, injuries happen regardless, but it's a shame to see them on this level.

[CalamityX12]

Yea, the clubs should've stopped playing much earlier..

Mane I feel the upmost upset over... the guy came in as a sub, the game wasn't urgent, and he was maliciously taken by the fates

[CalamityX12]

I'm still watching because it's my love for world cup soccer.

Qatar bought this year, we all know, nothing can be done. What can't be done is allowing countries with such irregular restrictions that contradict what you supposedly stand for.

How that makes sense?

[wco81]

Yea, the clubs should've stopped playing much earlier..

Mane I feel the upmost upset over... the guy came in as a sub, the game wasn't urgent, and he was maliciously taken by the fates

Don't the clubs ultimately get to decide if a player has to play, like if he has a minor injury which could cause him to miss a lot of games for the rest of the season, the club could essentially veto him playing for his national team?

I'm sure the players want to play but the clubs are paying huge salaries to have them prioritize their service to the club above all else.

[LDNMagic90]

England and Wales will no longer wear the One Love captain armbands anymore, it’s a shame i really though they were going to go through with it

[HIF]

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Sigh another World Cup full of bribes, at this point how do you even take down FIFA? Gianni is just a baby Blatter at this point.

He's certainly friends with a lot of reputable characters.

And he looks like a James Bond criminal mastermind

[HIF]

To bring things a bit more to the football side of things and focusing specifically on the format, it's crazy how many top players have been injured and will miss the tournament because of the winter scheduling. Benzema, Mane, Jota, Kante, James, to name a few.

A combination of limited rest before the tournament and the congested fixtures has resulted in a real injury pile-up where players would ordinarily have some time after the season to recover and shake off knocks and minor injuries before the World Cup starts proper, in the summer. Even if you disregard all the discussion of ethics, human rights and LGBT concerns, etc. the winter format feels very slapdash and amateurish and has cost us the opportunity to see some great footballers playing for their countries.

Don't get me wrong, injuries happen regardless, but it's a shame to see them on this level.

It's just another consequence of the corruption. Not having a month or more between the end of a season and the start of the competition shows how little FIFA care about their prized assets.

I fear that bigger problems will come for those who play throughout this tournament only to return to their own leagues and European competition immediately afterwards. It could affect some teams for more than the last few months of the season.

[HIF]

Yea, the clubs should've stopped playing much earlier..

Mane I feel the upmost upset over... the guy came in as a sub, the game wasn't urgent, and he was maliciously taken by the fates

No they shouldn't. the tournament should have been in the summer as always. The alternative was NOT to start the league campaigns until a month after the world cup. Totally ludicrous.

[HIF]

I'm still watching because it's my love for world cup soccer.

Qatar bought this year, we all know, nothing can be done. What can't be done is allowing countries with such irregular restrictions that contradict what you supposedly stand for.

How that makes sense?

By watching it you are making the liklihood of similar occurences in the future greater.

[HIF]

Yea, the clubs should've stopped playing much earlier..

Mane I feel the upmost upset over... the guy came in as a sub, the game wasn't urgent, and he was maliciously taken by the fates

Don't the clubs ultimately get to decide if a player has to play, like if he has a minor injury which could cause him to miss a lot of games for the rest of the season, the club could essentially veto him playing for his national team?

I'm sure the players want to play but the clubs are paying huge salaries to have them prioritize their service to the club above all else.

How do you think a player would react to being told he can't play by his club. If Harry Kane is already to tired one third of the way through what is always a long season for a club battling on at least 4 fronts, Spurs had every right to tell him he needs to rest. ain't gonna happen. Spurs may really hate the world cup by March.

[HIF]

England and Wales will no longer wear the One Love captain armbands anymore, it’s a shame i really though they were going to go through with it

They should still do it.

I understand if they do then the captain gets a yellow card. Is that the on-pitch captain? If so then make the goalkeeper the captain for these games and stick a finger up at FIFA.

[LDNMagic90]

England and Wales will no longer wear the One Love captain armbands anymore, it’s a shame i really though they were going to go through with it

They should still do it.

I understand if they do then the captain gets a yellow card. Is that the on-pitch captain? If so then make the goalkeeper the captain for these games and stick a finger up at FIFA.

I agree apparently, FIFA possibly threatened to impose sanctions on England and Wales FA if they carried on with it.

I would've loved to see a scenario where they book the captain or send them off and the whole team walk off the pitch, imagine that for at least 1/3 of the countries participating. FIFA would look so stupid.

[HIF]

England and Wales will no longer wear the One Love captain armbands anymore, it’s a shame i really though they were going to go through with it

They should still do it.

I understand if they do then the captain gets a yellow card. Is that the on-pitch captain? If so then make the goalkeeper the captain for these games and stick a finger up at FIFA.

I agree apparently, FIFA possibly threatened to impose sanctions on England and Wales FA if they carried on with it.

I would've loved to see a scenario where they book the captain or send them off and the whole team walk off the pitch, imagine that for at least 1/3 of the countries participating. FIFA would look so stupid.

If only England and Wales do it, it'd be a wonderful statement. You can't say we are together and then not do it because one person may be booked.