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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#221 » by basketballRob » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:37 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Comparing the last two #5 picks and Suggs is better than Ivey this season. He's also 9 mos. older.


https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=iveyja01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id2=suggsja01&p2yrfrom=2023

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Ivey has been better and a rookie. Compare him to Suggs last season and it’s no contest.
Yep, and Suggs is 9 mos. older.

The stats this season are close.

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Post#222 » by tooler » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:43 pm

basketballRob wrote:The stats this season are close.

Counting stats aren’t everything. I’m pretty sure you’ve gone through this before. It’s time to move beyond them.

At minimum, please don’t post this outside of our forum. I might die of embarrassment.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#223 » by nicnac215 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:44 pm

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nicnac215 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Comparing the last two #5 picks and Suggs is better than Ivey this season. He's also 9 mos. older.


https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1=iveyja01&p1yrfrom=2023&player_id2=suggsja01&p2yrfrom=2023

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Ivey has been better and a rookie. Compare him to Suggs last season and it’s no contest.
Yep, and Suggs is 9 mos. older.

The stats this season are close.

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So rookie Ivey has 3 months more life experience than rookie Suggs
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#224 » by basketballRob » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:13 pm

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basketballRob wrote:The stats this season are close.

Counting stats aren’t everything. I’m pretty sure you’ve gone through this before. It’s time to move beyond them.

At minimum, please don’t post this outside of our forum. I might die of embarrassment.
Ivey is getting overrated. Suggs has a better RAPTOR and EPM than Ivey this season.

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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#225 » by basketballRob » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:15 pm

nicnac215 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
nicnac215 wrote:Ivey has been better and a rookie. Compare him to Suggs last season and it’s no contest.
Yep, and Suggs is 9 mos. older.

The stats this season are close.

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So rookie Ivey has 3 months more life experience than rookie Suggs
Yes, and Suggs has played like 45 more pro games and one less college year.

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Post#226 » by MagicFan101 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:26 pm

Ivey and Suggs are very different players.

Suggs to me has a Chauncey Billups vibe. Maybe that isn’t the BEST mold for todays game but I’ll never turn down tough defense and big shots.

Ivey is expected to be more of what todays game is aiming for with explosive, dynamic offense. Ivey had to work on his efficiency if he is going to reach is potential but he has time.

Both of these guys have a lot of potential to impact winning but do so in different ways. A direct 1:1 comp of stats of the two is meaningless however.
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Post#227 » by KillMonger » Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:21 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:Brandon makes most sense for Magic pov

why? he is a SF. we need either PG or SG upgrade. we have forwards.

you can get in trouble trying to compartmentalize needs when you're devoid of talent....honestly end of day that's what we need the most....just good talent.....not going to pass over who i think is the best player at the spot we're at just because that player isn't a certain position
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#228 » by basketballRob » Sat Nov 19, 2022 5:15 pm

Ivey and Suggs are 8 mos apart not 9.

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Post#229 » by VFX » Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:09 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Ivey and Suggs are very different players.

Suggs to me has a Chauncey Billups vibe. Maybe that isn’t the BEST mold for todays game but I’ll never turn down tough defense and big shots.

Ivey is expected to be more of what todays game is aiming for with explosive, dynamic offense. Ivey had to work on his efficiency if he is going to reach is potential but he has time.

Both of these guys have a lot of potential to impact winning but do so in different ways. A direct 1:1 comp of stats of the two is meaningless however.


Yes, this is the comp I still give Suggs. Early Chauncey Billups wasn’t a killer yet. Suggs plays elite defense and hits big shots.
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Re: 2023 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#230 » by MoMM » Sun Nov 20, 2022 1:57 pm

Early Billups was so bad, that we traded for him and renounced his rights.
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Post#231 » by nicnac215 » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:22 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Ivey and Suggs are very different players.

Suggs to me has a Chauncey Billups vibe. Maybe that isn’t the BEST mold for todays game but I’ll never turn down tough defense and big shots.

Ivey is expected to be more of what todays game is aiming for with explosive, dynamic offense. Ivey had to work on his efficiency if he is going to reach is potential but he has time.

Both of these guys have a lot of potential to impact winning but do so in different ways. A direct 1:1 comp of stats of the two is meaningless however.

Great comparison. I too get Billups as a perfect comparison from Suggs. I also knew he was one of the most raw prospects plying qb until college. How he plays off the ball will be the determining factor in the interim. He turns over the ball and struggles against tight on ball pressure to be the lead ball handler. Otherwise he will just have to settle for a 6th man role on this team.
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Post#232 » by MagicFan101 » Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:58 pm

MoMM wrote:Early Billups was so bad, that we traded for him and renounced his rights.


In hindsight, that was not the brightest decision in Magic history …

Perhaps Orlando should be more patient with this kid who is sending vibes of Billups 2.0?
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Post#233 » by PrimeThyme » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:38 pm

Chauncey was a 5x All-star, 3x All-NBA, 2x All defensive team, NBA Champion, and Finals MVP. Sign me up.
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Post#234 » by Bensational » Mon Nov 21, 2022 12:04 am

I’m seeing 3 guys in the draft who is like and who would fit with the current core.

Wemby, Scoot and Brandon Miller.

Wemby
Paolo
Bol
Franz
Suggs

Bol
Paolo
Franz
Suggs
Scoot

Bol
Paolo
Miller
Franz
Suggs

Wemby would secure the paint for us and provide spacing. Scoot would become the playmaker to unite our offensive weapons. Miller would be the big wing sniper that Paolo/Franz/Suggs can kick out to.

Sign/Trade for a veteran PG to steady the team and lots of shooting off the bench and this team could be propelled into serious competition very quickly.

Edit - I recognise that Bol isn’t C material, but I think there’s good switching ability between him and Paolo. PB can body and bang with the bigger C’s and allow Bol to cover from the weak side. Versatility will be a strength for this squad.
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Post#235 » by Petre1978 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:15 pm

Bensational wrote:I’m seeing 3 guys in the draft who is like and who would fit with the current core.

Wemby, Scoot and Brandon Miller.

Wemby
Paolo
Bol
Franz
Suggs

Bol
Paolo
Franz
Suggs
Scoot

Bol
Paolo
Miller
Franz
Suggs

Wemby would secure the paint for us and provide spacing. Scoot would become the playmaker to unite our offensive weapons. Miller would be the big wing sniper that Paolo/Franz/Suggs can kick out to.

Sign/Trade for a veteran PG to steady the team and lots of shooting off the bench and this team could be propelled into serious competition very quickly.

Edit - I recognise that Bol isn’t C material, but I think there’s good switching ability between him and Paolo. PB can body and bang with the bigger C’s and allow Bol to cover from the weak side. Versatility will be a strength for this squad.

I agree with you.

What about Keyonte George and Nick Smith Jr?
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Post#236 » by Petre1978 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 1:56 pm







Could see the FO targeting Wallace with the Bulls pick.

I like him already more than Anthony and Suggs.
May be they could also trade one the two.
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Post#237 » by Bensational » Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:15 pm

Petre1978 wrote:I agree with you.

What about Keyonte George and Nick Smith Jr?


George looks good too. Haven’t seen enough of NSJr but he has the hype. Still so much of the college season to play out, things will likely shift. Either way, there’s bound to be another nice player for us to round out PB, Franz and Suggs.

If we miss on Wemby I could see Derrick Lively being in consideration with the Bulls pick - if we don’t trade it.
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Post#238 » by Husky1 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:57 pm

Brandon Miller should be our target. He would be perfect for us. Really impressed. Lively with the bulls pick makes some sense too, But reckon we need shooting more than replacing Bamba at backup centre. We can keep Bamba for another year (i know) and draft another shooter instead.
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Post#239 » by Magic#1 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:32 pm

Petre1978 wrote:





Could see the FO targeting Wallace with the Bulls pick.

I like him already more than Anthony and Suggs.
May be they could also trade one the two.

I really don't see Wallace as an upgrade over Suggs. Suggs already provides what Wallace would. Wallace also is a pure point guard and we need somebody who at least is a shooter with combo guard abilities.
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Post#240 » by zaymon » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:25 pm

Bensational wrote:I’m seeing 3 guys in the draft who is like and who would fit with the current core.

Wemby, Scoot and Brandon Miller.

Wemby
Paolo
Bol
Franz
Suggs

Bol
Paolo
Franz
Suggs
Scoot

Bol
Paolo
Miller
Franz
Suggs

Wemby would secure the paint for us and provide spacing. Scoot would become the playmaker to unite our offensive weapons. Miller would be the big wing sniper that Paolo/Franz/Suggs can kick out to.

Sign/Trade for a veteran PG to steady the team and lots of shooting off the bench and this team could be propelled into serious competition very quickly.

Edit - I recognise that Bol isn’t C material, but I think there’s good switching ability between him and Paolo. PB can body and bang with the bigger C’s and allow Bol to cover from the weak side. Versatility will be a strength for this squad.


Its tough to tell right now, becouse there is always a suprise player, and some players slide after hot start.
Overall its a very interesting debate, it touches the core strategy how we want to build our roster.

I am not sure Bol is a lock to start. Right now teams dont know how to defend him, but team will make better scouting reports
Carter is a fascinating case. On one hand he potentially occupies similar spaces to Banchero but he is also the only one who can set good screens, perform creative handoffs. Bol physical limitations prevent him for being ideal pick and roll/pop partner for Banchero. Bol is better at weak side blocks and shooting so its really hard to evaluate all those things. So far both combinations are net positive, Bol/Banchero +3.5, Carter/Banchero +1.1. There is also a case to play 3 of them together. That combination is also doing well, but then there is almost no space for our new draft pick if we count Wagner and one of Suggs/Fultz/Anthony/Harris.

1. Wembenyama- picking Victor would mean we are leaning towards rim protection at the expense of perimeter creation, shooting and perimeter defense.It would also propably send Bol to the bench. Both Bol and Wemby are weak physically, have their limitations going to the rim and Wemby is not a good shooter right now.
Suggs/Wagner/Banchero/Carter/Wembenyama- its a variation of our current starting lineup which is not doing especially great in limited sample. It performs better when Suggs or Bol are swaped for wing sized shooters. Suggs is often lost on offense and Bol on defense. I am not the biggest fan picking Wemby. He is covering some Paolo and Wendell weaknesses but also creates new ones. On offense its a step back from Bol.

2. Henderson- picking Scoot would make us look even more similar to Cavaliers.
Suggs/Henderson/Wagner/Banchero/Carter(or Bol)
This lineup is very dependent on all our starters making progress as shooters. Hard to tell if Scoot accuracy is real this season. Its propably safe to say he will never be a knockdown 3 point shooter. I think picking Scoot could make Jalen expendable. We would need at least one 40%+ shooter next to Banchero and Henderson to not be laughing stock of the nba once again. Not taking trades into account:
Henderson/Harris(spot waiting for big trade)/Wagner/Banchero/Bol(Carter)
Once again not by favourite fit with the current team, but it will be hard to pass on Scoot.

3. Thompson Amen- its hard to not mention Amen. 6'7 ultra athletic point guard. Picking him would mean Banchero being more of a screener and isolation scorer. Defensively the fit is best in class hands down.
Thompson/Harris(trade?)/Wagner/Banchero/Bol(Carter)
Another example where Bol is giving us lineup flexibility. With WCJ starting it would be extremely hard to pull off. Thats propably Weltmans dream lineup on one side of the floor. A lot would depend on Banchero Iso scoring on offense and i mean A LOT.

4. Miller- fast riser. Comparisons to T-Mac make most of magic fans drool. First player who is potentially a very good volume shooter. His passing and length also fit seamlessly on our team (pace, space, pass, size). I really like the fit, but worry a bit about our foot speed on defense.
Suggs/Wagner/Miller/Banchero/Carter(Bol)
Crazy versatile lineup which could morph depending on matchups:
Wagner/Miller/Bol/Banchero/Carter-> Suggs/Harris/Wagner/Miller/Banchero

5. Keyonte George- another volume shooter. He has nice frame, can work as a secondary ball hander. Really good fit, propably the best among draftees not including a trade.
Suggs/George/Wagner/Banchero/Carter(Bol)

6. Whitehead/Whitmore- two big wings who would have similar role on our team. Doesnt hate them but fit depends on jumpers. They would make us very strong and physical, similar to Celtics. You can argue they fit Weltmans vision more than George.
Suggs/Whitehead(Whitmore)/Wagner/Banchero/Bol(Carter)

Bulls pick could be potentially top 10 or middle of first round. I would look at Gradey Dick, Jett Howard, Terquavion Smith, Kris Murray, Dillon Mitchell. My god its a deep class. Weltman you sly fox.

ps. and we also have Isaac..... mindblowing
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !

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