How do you upgrade this team?

[Jiipee84]

I think Collins should be at the top of our list, undervalued and good length. He seems like a reclamation project that will pan out.

Really?
https://streamable.com/sx0ig0
Was that first time when Hardy yelled for Sexton or has that happened before once earlier ?

And what does John Collins have to do with Collin Sexton?

Where did you see John Collins?
That clip was last nights Clippers vs Jazz game if the link do not work in your computer go to NBA.com watch it there.

[Jiipee84]

Really?
https://streamable.com/sx0ig0
Was that first time when Hardy yelled for Sexton or has that happened before once earlier ?

Good video, don't get to see that much frustration and admonishing from a coach, let's hope Sexton is listening and learning rather than making excuses and sticking with what got Hardy frustrated with him to begin with.It looked to me like he was making an attempt to pass, but just doesn't have the court vision or bbiq to see ahead of a play as it develops. Several awful turnovers in the paint or uncatchable passes.

I really like his motor and his energy, but not sure he is fitting in with the team first mentality this group must have in order o be successful, especially as a starter. Maybe his role is the igniter off the bench with his speed and bullish desire to get to the rim.

What is really bad in this video is that Sexton looks completely unimpressed by coach admonishing and just gives to Hardy his own ideas and intentions. I think he has to be benched and if not, team chemistry can get terrible hit,

It absolutely is worrisome if Sexton do not care and won't listen that what Hardy tries to tell him.
But maybe Sexton has so big ego and that's why he won't take any **** or negative feedback for other players and coaches.

There are for sure primadonna type characters around the sport entertainment and business
but still no-one isn't bigger than a team and if Sexton has troubles to accept his status and role in the team
then Hardy should make needed decisions which are best for team chemistry and give some hard coaching for Sexton.
And if that won't help then Ainge and Zanik should get rid of Sexton's ass.

Lets see how Sexton will handle all that feedback what Hardy gave him.
It is up of Sexton now and if he truly needs to be benched for a while then so be it
basketball is still a team sport so even Sexton should start realize that before it is too late.

[SoCalJazzFan]

The Knicks are reportedly interested in trading Immanual Quickley for a FRP.

If I am the Jazz, I jump all over this. Sexton doesn't look like a PG, and while fast and athletic, is pretty small for a SG. Conley will be missed when he is out and will be a year older and closer to retirement next year. No guarantees that the Jazz draft their next PG next summer. Let Quickley be the backup under Conley's tutelage, and if he works out, great. If he doesn't you're out perhaps Bolmaro (option declined) and a FRP in the 20s.

Quickley might be underrated, and probably is a buy low right now as he is getting pushed out with the Brunson signing. He was more highly rated the past two seasons than other young primary ball handler PGs according to the advance LEBRON metrics. ( https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-application/
https://www.bball-index.com/2021-22-lebron-data/ )

[zero24gravity]

The Knicks are reportedly interested in trading Immanual Quickley for a FRP.

If I am the Jazz, I jump all over this. Sexton doesn't look like a PG, and while fast and athletic, is pretty small for a SG. Conley will be missed when he is out and will be a year older and closer to retirement next year. No guarantees that the Jazz draft their next PG next summer. Let Quickley be the backup under Conley's tutelage, and if he works out, great. If he doesn't you're out perhaps Bolmaro (option declined) and a FRP in the 20s.

Quickley might be underrated, and probably is a buy low right now as he is getting pushed out with the Brunson signing. He was more highly rated the past two seasons than other young primary ball handler PGs according to the advance LEBRON metrics. ( https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-application/
https://www.bball-index.com/2021-22-lebron-data/ )

I'm on the fence about Quickley. He's a plus-defender, good rebounder for a guard, and has decent size for a combo/point guard (6'3"), but he's also a pretty terrible shooter.

The Jazz's offense is reliant on having floor spacers/shooters (4th in 3 point shots made, 10th in %). I'm not sure how Quickley's 38% FG% and 31% 3% would fit into the offense.

I'm struggling on whether he's a 1st round pick value or not, because I see him as a 20-ish mpg back-up, and not a starter in the league. Also, depth/insurance is great to have, but where would his minutes come from if the Jazz aren't moving THT or Sexton in a trade for him? I know there's some speculation that Sexton isn't a great fit, but I also don't see the Jazz DNP'ing him anytime soon. I think the Jazz really want him to work and he'll have all the chances he can to find his place on the team.

[SoCalJazzFan]

The Knicks are reportedly interested in trading Immanual Quickley for a FRP.

If I am the Jazz, I jump all over this. Sexton doesn't look like a PG, and while fast and athletic, is pretty small for a SG. Conley will be missed when he is out and will be a year older and closer to retirement next year. No guarantees that the Jazz draft their next PG next summer. Let Quickley be the backup under Conley's tutelage, and if he works out, great. If he doesn't you're out perhaps Bolmaro (option declined) and a FRP in the 20s.

Quickley might be underrated, and probably is a buy low right now as he is getting pushed out with the Brunson signing. He was more highly rated the past two seasons than other young primary ball handler PGs according to the advance LEBRON metrics. ( https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-application/
https://www.bball-index.com/2021-22-lebron-data/ )

I'm on the fence about Quickley. He's a plus-defender, good rebounder for a guard, and has decent size for a combo/point guard (6'3"), but he's also a pretty terrible shooter.

The Jazz's offense is reliant on having floor spacers/shooters (4th in 3 point shots made, 10th in %). I'm not sure how Quickley's 38% FG% and 31% 3% would fit into the offense.

I'm struggling on whether he's a 1st round pick value or not, because I see him as a 20-ish mpg back-up, and not a starter in the league. Also, depth/insurance is great to have, but where would his minutes come from if the Jazz aren't moving THT or Sexton in a trade for him? I know there's some speculation that Sexton isn't a great fit, but I also don't see the Jazz DNP'ing him anytime soon. I think the Jazz really want him to work and he'll have all the chances he can to find his place on the team.

I'm not sure if Quickely is a starting PG in the NBA or not either, but he is young and hasn't been given much of a chance to be yet. I think that he has more PG tendencies than Sexton.

Quickely is having a down year and was a much better outside shooter his 1st (38.9%) and 2nd (34.6%) seasons.

Conley will have rest games and most likely some injuries during the season, so that would open minutes up. Also, if Sexton is primarily a driver/slasher and not a game managing distributor, why force the issue of him trying to be those things that don't come naturally to him? Jazz should find out soon if Sexton fits what they need for the future, and if he is an undersized SG, then look to trade him.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't think that Hardy-Sexotn interaction is anything special, or that it should worry anyone. That's just Hardy doing his job and providing a moment of coaching--it probably happens every game with some player and we just don't see it.

And I'll pass on Quickley as a PG for the Jazz going forward.

[red4hf]

The Knicks are reportedly interested in trading Immanual Quickley for a FRP.

If I am the Jazz, I jump all over this. Sexton doesn't look like a PG, and while fast and athletic, is pretty small for a SG. Conley will be missed when he is out and will be a year older and closer to retirement next year. No guarantees that the Jazz draft their next PG next summer. Let Quickley be the backup under Conley's tutelage, and if he works out, great. If he doesn't you're out perhaps Bolmaro (option declined) and a FRP in the 20s.

Quickley might be underrated, and probably is a buy low right now as he is getting pushed out with the Brunson signing. He was more highly rated the past two seasons than other young primary ball handler PGs according to the advance LEBRON metrics. ( https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-application/
https://www.bball-index.com/2021-22-lebron-data/ )

I watch a lot of Knick games living in NY, and Quickley is definitely not a point guard...... Nor is he going to become one.......

[Crunch 99]

Sign the Grand Rapids Gold's point guard to a ten day contract while Conley is out.

[Inigo Montoya]

1. Sign Mac McClung from the d-league.
2. Play him at C
3. Lose many games
4. Draft Victor Wembanyama
5. Team upgraded.

[Jiipee84]

https://sports.yahoo.com/early-success-means-jazz-have-some-options-to-consider-on-trade-market-120705606.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cua29yaXBhbGxvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHV1Aca_PBK8KU1nT-wLp7jUdVbKf9i2vj-eEbqRCpoHio_9lcjOjKNt8wcka0iANlvIocvPSh7pMt1PoU72J-wvEJUjcbLkzUJePJTotX-zX9UHpvj7O9jAkd5htaxjE_SUNqbBFu8Y3mIw_PKeGe8oAVwvvATujG-4VcwseyAW

Copy and paste from article.
'' Utah has so far signaled an intent to keep breakout star forward Lauri Markkanen plus franchise favorite Jordan Clarkson, and have established a high asking price for Jarred Vanderbilt, sources told Yahoo Sports, leaving Malik Beasley and Kelly Olynyk, along with Conley, as the obvious veterans the Jazz could move before the Feb. 9 trade deadline. Olynyk is known to be a favorite of Ainge''

And this.
'' Right now, the likelihood of Collins landing in Salt Lake City, though, seems low. Atlanta approached the Jazz about swapping Collins for Markkanen, sources said, which did not generate any traction.''

[mg]

I think there are obviously a few needs as Ainge just blew up the team a few months ago.

First off they need more size and athleticism. They need a two way wing player who is at least 6'-7" as their guards/ wings are under 6'-5" with the exception of Fontecchio. From what I can tell Simone is mainly a one way player who can really shoot the rock but doesn't bring much else to the table. Good wings are near impossible to find so they will likely need to address this one through the draft. Someone like Amen Thompson who also has ballhandling/playmaking skill in addition to good size would be such a great fit on this team.

Second I think the frontcourt is an issue when you take into account that Lauri/Vando/Olynyk are the starters. Opposing defenses have figured out that only one of them is a legit scoring threat and are sagging way off Vando. Our starting frontcourt scored a total of 3 points at halftime in that loss against Detroit. In addition they need another athletic guy in the frontcourt to keep someone like Bagley from having a career night. Maybe Kessler is the eventual starter at Center but they will need an athletic guy to play next to him (and potentially Lauri) who can defend and also score a little bit too. I like Olynyk as a stopgap and think Vando's best role is first big off the bench with his energy. I suppose it's also possible those 2 get dealt at some point too. Maybe someone like Collins could be a fit but his contract is steep, his 3 pt shot has disappeared and there seems to be a bit of overlap between him and Lauri. I know a certain Frenchman who could be a great fit but the odds are stacked against the Jazz drafting that kid.

Overall I like the guards but obviously Conley is not a spring chicken. I can see them extending either JC or Beasley (I actually prefer Beasley but think the organization really likes JC even though he's already 30). I like Sexton in his role especially with Conley there next to him as the mentor. THT is fine too as a developmental player. Agbaji needs minutes at some point too. Honestly guard is the least of my concerns. Just look at the Celtics who went out this year and easily acquired both White and Brogdon but they already had Brown/Tatum on their roster. It's a wing league which is why Boston (Tatum/Brown) and Milwuakee (Giannis/Middleton) are probably the two best teams at this point. They can always acquire guards especially with the warchest that Danny has built up, but you need the big wings on your roster first.

[D Rog]

Not sure if Indy takes the deal but I think the Jazz need 2 things

1) Center that is a threat from 3 so the paint isn't clogged up (I don't think Olynyk is a Center - I see him as a forward)
2) Point Guard (Conley is small and about ready to collect on social security & Sexton isn't a PG)

Utah Gets - Myles Turner (provided Jazz can get an extension (neighborhood of 4 year $80M - $90M)
Tyrese Haliburton

Indy Gets - Rudy Gay and whoever they want out of the following to make salaries match
Sexton, Vanderbilt, NAW, Agbagi, Bolmaro, Dok
2 or 3 Future FRP (least favorable in 2023)


Various reports say Indy was willing to trade Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to Lakers for Westbrook and 2 firsts. Are they willing to get a couple young players and an extra draft pick to switch Hield for Haliburton?

The Jazz will spend 1 or 2 picks in the next few years to try to find an NBA PG why not use those picks to get a proven PG?

[mg]

There's no way the Pacers are trading Haliburton. He's a perfect fit with the small scoring SG Mathurin they just drafted too.

I was looking at the NBA assist leaders so far this season and Haliburton is the only pure PG in the top 6 as he ranks #1. Bigger 6'-8"+ guys such as Doncic, Jokic, Draymond Green, etc are generally beginning to lead their teams in assists and all are currently in the top 6 in league assists. Haliburton is a big PG himself at 6'-5". Trae Young is the outlier as a small guard in the top 6 but he's definitely more of a scorer/3 pt shooter too.

It leads me to my point that the Jazz need to find themselves a big lead ballhandler and there should be a few available in the next draft such as Amen Thompson and Anthony Black.

[mg]

The Jazz obviously could use an athletic big with some level of offensive skill after watching them get killed by Embiid and Ayton. They have enough picks to eventually fix that problem. It's been pretty obvious for awhile they need more size and athleticism.

Even if it's just a healthier Robert Williams type it would help tremendously.

[Crunch 99]

There's no way the Pacers are trading Haliburton. He's a perfect fit with the small scoring SG Mathurin they just drafted too.

I was looking at the NBA assist leaders so far this season and Haliburton is the only pure PG in the top 6 as he ranks #1. Bigger 6'-8"+ guys such as Doncic, Jokic, Draymond Green, etc are generally beginning to lead their teams in assists and all are currently in the top 6 in league assists. Haliburton is a big PG himself at 6'-5". Trae Young is the outlier as a small guard in the top 6 but he's definitely more of a scorer/3 pt shooter too.

It leads me to my point that the Jazz need to find themselves a big lead ballhandler and there should be a few available in the next draft such as Amen Thompson and Anthony Black.

Yep. Young Haliburton is not going anywhere. Besides leading the league in ast/game, he has already broken in to the top ten rankings on ESPN RPM, Basketball Reference BPM, Win Shares and steals/game. Someone just posted on the General Board that he has 40 assists with zero turnovers in the last 3 games, and 13.7 ast/game with just 2.2tovs/game over the last six games.

[FranchisePlayer]

When Sexton as PG, the Jazz are 0-5.

Read on Twitter

[zero24gravity]

When Sexton as PG, the Jazz are 0-5.

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True. But.... when Conley is injured, the Jazz are 0-5. I think it's less about Sexton and more about not having Conley. Depth takes a big hit with Mike out.

0-5 with Sexton at PG would be more telling if Conley was playing bench minutes. But with him out, it's not a fair comparison.

They were a mess vs Chi down the stretch without there vet PG, though, no doubt about it.

[FranchisePlayer]

When Sexton as PG, the Jazz are 0-5.

Read on Twitter

True. But.... when Conley is injured, the Jazz are 0-5. I think it's less about Sexton and more about not having Conley. Depth takes a
big hit with Mike out.

0-5 with Sexton at PG would be more telling if Conley was playing bench minutes. But with him out, it's not a fair comparison.

They were a mess vs Chi down the stretch without there vet PG, though, no doubt about it.

I didn't mean Sexton is the only guy to blame for not winning lately but the truth is, he doesn't have the instincts or BB IQ to be effective as a starting PG. He gives you the occasional wow effect but to consistently run plays with some logic...*SMH*

Both him and Clarkson are from the same wood - they play with their (selfish) instincts.

[mg]

FWIW the Jazz won with Sexton as the starting PG the first game against Memphis when Conley was resting on a back to back. The biggest problem is that THT and NAW are running the team off the bench when Conley is gone. The bench was awful last night especially since Beasley wasn't making his shots. To be fair Clarkson went 3 for 15 last night too.

Regardless the offense isn't the biggest problem. Since the Philly game they have gotten absolutely manhandled by big centers.
Last night it was Drummond. The previous game it was Ayton. You can't give NBA teams so many 2nd chance opportunities.

Edit: this dude has 129 followers on twitter. Why are we even posting his tweets in this thread unless somebody has an agenda, lol.
FWIW Sexton is averaging 7.5 APG since the last 4 games. He's had some nice passes to Lauri. JC, Beas are taking bad shots in the 4th quarter. Not really sure those 2 should be on the floor together because they both shoot every time they touch the ball at the end of the game.

[FranchisePlayer]

Starting PG, Sexton, spend 31 minutes on the court against the Blazers and collected zero AST on his scoresheet. Amazing how he could pull that off!

Conclusion: he is no PG.