3 Worst MVP Selections?

[AEnigma]

I don't understand these opinions about Rose. He led his team to 62 wins which was the best record in the league. His individual performances were outstanding and he didn't have a super team or another superstar playing with him. His season is a good example for MVP imo.

I think it is an understandable enough award on those “merits” (also top ten in minutes played, which is an easy way to accrue value), but that team was excellent regardless. Did he provide more value, or was he more impressive, bringing that team to 62 wins than Dwight did (or was) bringing the Magic to 52 wins, or Dirk did (or was) bringing the Mavericks to 55 wins?

The Bulls had a +8.8 on/court rating with Rose… and a +6 rating with him off/court (and the following year would go 18-9 without him). The Magic had a +8.4 on/court rating with Dwight, and a -0.4 rating with Dwight off/court. And the Mavericks had a +10.6 on/court rating with Dirk, but a -5.4 rating with him off/court. Does Rose deserve MVP for his team having one of the best benches in the league?

I have no problems with MVP's with less stats but the highest team record, but i dont like Kobe/Paul case in 2008 where teams records are identical and Paul kills Kobe with all adv and impact stats and did it with less talent.

1. Their team records were not identical, and the Lakers’ record understates their SRS.

2. Kobe had higher RAPM (prior and non prior), as well as a higher prior-impact RAPM the subsequent year too. In part because those “advanced metrics” you like mostly ignore how Paul was at that point really only good for generating steals on defence.

3. Mo Pete is whatever, but I will never understand why Peja/DavidWest/Chandler is such a maligned supporting cast. That is a great group for a point guard to have. Terrible bench, sure, but that is also to be expected when you are essentially glueing your top four players together. And Kobe? Well, he had Odom. He had 27 games of Pau and 35 games of Bynum. Oh, and Derek Fisher was back! Quite the stacked group…

[Woodsanity]

I don't understand these opinions about Rose. He led his team to 62 wins which was the best record in the league. His individual performances were outstanding and he didn't have a super team or another superstar playing with him. His season is a good example for MVP imo.

Its always funny when people completely ignore and discount defense. Bulls were the best defense in the league.... So are we only giving Rose most of the credit now when the primary reason for their record was defense?

Rose played great but he was a weak MVP. I would argue Dwight had a better case, his team was mediocre and the defense being great was largely due to Dwight.

[prolific passer]

I mean Rose led a team to 62 wins with his 2 starting bigs and their 2nd best backup big playing in under 60 games each and the worst starting shooting guard in the NBA who was playing 18mpg.

[FuShengTHEGreat]

Not a bad pick at all but I don't see what Charles did better from a individual perspective than Hakeem in the 92-93 season. I guess the Suns winning 62 games with KJ missing a huge chunk of the season swayed voters

Charles wasn't a bad pick though....definitely top 3 in the NBA at the time.

[Styrian]

Hakeem over Robinson in '94 was clearly a mistake too.

[Gooner]

I don't understand these opinions about Rose. He led his team to 62 wins which was the best record in the league. His individual performances were outstanding and he didn't have a super team or another superstar playing with him. His season is a good example for MVP imo.

Its always funny when people completely ignore and discount defense. Bulls were the best defense in the league.... So are we only giving Rose most of the credit now when the primary reason for their record was defense?

Rose played great but he was a weak MVP. I would argue Dwight had a better case, his team was mediocre and the defense being great was largely due to Dwight.

You can't win just with defense. You need talent.

[Jaivl]

I don't understand these opinions about Rose. He led his team to 62 wins which was the best record in the league. His individual performances were outstanding and he didn't have a super team or another superstar playing with him. His season is a good example for MVP imo.

Its always funny when people completely ignore and discount defense. Bulls were the best defense in the league.... So are we only giving Rose most of the credit now when the primary reason for their record was defense?

Rose played great but he was a weak MVP. I would argue Dwight had a better case, his team was mediocre and the defense being great was largely due to Dwight.

You can't win just with defense. You need talent.

Defensive talent isn't a thing?

[Gooner]

Its always funny when people completely ignore and discount defense. Bulls were the best defense in the league.... So are we only giving Rose most of the credit now when the primary reason for their record was defense?

Rose played great but he was a weak MVP. I would argue Dwight had a better case, his team was mediocre and the defense being great was largely due to Dwight.

You can't win just with defense. You need talent.

Defensive talent isn't a thing?

It is, but it usually refers to talent on the ball. You need a player that's great on the ball to be a great team.

[Colbinii]

You can't win just with defense. You need talent.

Defensive talent isn't a thing?

It is, but it usually refers to talent on the ball. You need a player that's great on the ball to be a great team.

Teams have been great with Kyle Lowry and Chauncey Billups being the best offensive players. They aren't NBA caliber players.

[Bergmaniac]

Dwight averaged 22.9 PPG on 61.6 TS% and was a Top 3 offensive rebounder in the league. Sure, he was not a playmaker, but I don't see how the gap between him and Rose offensively in Rose's favour was anywhere near as big as the gap in Dwight's favour defensively. Dwight was the DPOY anchored a Top 3 defense despite not having much support on that end in the starting lineup and his team being pretty short. After the early season trades our starting lineup was Dwight - Brandon Bass (solid defender, but far from great and quite undersized), past his prime Hedo, past his prime Jason Richardson who was a terrible defender at this point of his career and 5'11" Jameer Nelson. The bench players who got the most minutes were Ryan Anderson, JJ Redick, QRich and the corpse of Gilbert Arenas.

If anyone had a real case for MVP over Dwight, it was Dirk and LeBron, not Rose IMO. Dirk's on/off numbers were ridiculous this season. An argument can be made he missed too many games, but I disagree, he still played 73 games.

[70sFan]

I don't understand these opinions about Rose. He led his team to 62 wins which was the best record in the league. His individual performances were outstanding and he didn't have a super team or another superstar playing with him. His season is a good example for MVP imo.

Its always funny when people completely ignore and discount defense. Bulls were the best defense in the league.... So are we only giving Rose most of the credit now when the primary reason for their record was defense?

Rose played great but he was a weak MVP. I would argue Dwight had a better case, his team was mediocre and the defense being great was largely due to Dwight.

You can't win just with defense. You need talent.

You can't win just with offense. You need talent.

[penbeast0]

Dwight averaged 22.9 PPG on 61.6 TS% and was a Top 3 offensive rebounder in the league. Sure, he was not a playmaker, but I don't see how the gap between him and Rose offensively in Rose's favour was anywhere near as big as the gap in Dwight's favour defensively. Dwight was the DPOY anchored a Top 3 defense despite not having much support on that end in the starting lineup and his team being pretty short. After the early season trades our starting lineup was Dwight - Brandon Bass (solid defender, but far from great and quite undersized), past his prime Hedo, past his prime Jason Richardson who was a terrible defender at this point of his career and 5'11" Jameer Nelson. The bench players who got the most minutes were Ryan Anderson, JJ Redick, QRich and the corpse of Gilbert Arenas.

If anyone had a real case for MVP over Dwight, it was Dirk and LeBron, not Rose IMO. Dirk's on/off numbers were ridiculous this season. An argument can be made he missed too many games, but I disagree, he still played 73 games.

To be fair, Jameer Nelson was a good defender, a real pest, but I agree that at his size, he's limited as a man defender and desperately needs a rim protector behind him.

[An Unbiased Fan]

I have no problems with MVP's with less stats but the highest team record, but i dont like Kobe/Paul case in 2008 where teams records are identical and Paul kills Kobe with all adv and impact stats and did it with less talent.

Not sure what season you watched. Lakers have a better record and much higher SRS with less talent that year.

Pau only played 27 games
Bynum only 35 games

Meanwhile Paul has prime Chandler in the middle, David West who was an all-star, and Peja all season long.

The Hornets also collapse the final stretch of the season why Kobe led LA to the #1 seed during that same time