Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread Part 3

[Eric Bieniemy]

Suns fan here - Would you bite on Crowder, Johnson and 1st for Collins?

Hawks should easily make this trade.

[Eric Bieniemy]

Collins doesn't have as much trade value as many Hawks fans think. Their current roster only lacks leadership and another bruising defender to surround Young with. Crowder would score less and grab less rebounds, but he'd contribute more intangibles that would lead to more winning.

I'd trade Collins for Crowder (and a first) without Johnson included. Adding Johnson makes it a no-brainer:

PG - Murray - Holiday
SG - Young - Bogdanovic
C - Capela - Okongkwu
PF - Hunter - J. Johnson
SF - Crowder - C. Johnson

[D21]

Collins doesn't have as much trade value as many Hawks fans think. Their current roster only lacks leadership and another bruising defender to surround Young with. Crowder would score less and grab less rebounds, but he'd contribute more intangibles that would lead to more winning.

I'd trade Collins for Crowder (and a first) without Johnson included. Adding Johnson makes it a no-brainer:

PG - Murray - Holiday
SG - Young - Bogdanovic
C - Capela - Okongkwu
PF - Hunter - J. Johnson
SF - Crowder - C. Johnson

Collins has trade value, it's not judge only on his personnal stats. Most coaches know that if he didn't get lots of plays last season season and gain this one.
Once again, all the trade rumors were not coming from ATL wanting absolutely to trade him, but from a lot of teams wanting to trade for him.
He's currently the second best Net rating of the team behind Murray, while playing only Vs starters (Murray plays also Vs bench opponents)

You don't trade like that the player with whom your team plays at its best. Exactly like I would never have traded Bogi last season.

And I will add that won't how this can play until Bogi is back, so why searching to fix anything (especially if it involve starters) now?
No reason at all.
And if there's still a problem after Bogi is back, I'm pretty sure it will come from Nate first, or some bench guys like Holiday being dominated.

Waiting for Bogi, and see how Nate coach them. Doing trade before that make no sense.

[Ball4life32]

Collins doesn't have as much trade value as many Hawks fans think. Their current roster only lacks leadership and another bruising defender to surround Young with. Crowder would score less and grab less rebounds, but he'd contribute more intangibles that would lead to more winning.

I'd trade Collins for Crowder (and a first) without Johnson included. Adding Johnson makes it a no-brainer:

PG - Murray - Holiday
SG - Young - Bogdanovic
C - Capela - Okongkwu
PF - Hunter - J. Johnson
SF - Crowder - C. Johnson

It’s only 11 games but Collins currently has +13.4 on/off, hawks have been significantly better on both ends with him on the floor. He obviously making way higher impact than ppl think. And hawks are already undersized and struggle with defensive rebounding to make this trade and go even smaller.

[jayu70]

Collins doesn't have as much trade value as many Hawks fans think. Their current roster only lacks leadership and another bruising defender to surround Young with. Crowder would score less and grab less rebounds, but he'd contribute more intangibles that would lead to more winning.

I'd trade Collins for Crowder (and a first) without Johnson included. Adding Johnson makes it a no-brainer:

PG - Murray - Holiday
SG - Young - Bogdanovic
C - Capela - Okongkwu
PF - Hunter - J. Johnson
SF - Crowder - C. Johnson

We'd be beaten like a drum on the boards. We are already a small team, no need to get even smaller.

[Skybox]

If Griffin isn't even in your lineup, send him to ORL for a protected first or a player you might like for depth.

[jayu70]

If Griffin isn't even in your lineup, send him to ORL for a protected first or a player you might like for depth.

He should be in the lineup. Hawks are struggling from 3 and Nate refuses to play him unless he's forced to.

[atlantabbq99]

Collins doesn't have as much trade value as many Hawks fans think. Their current roster only lacks leadership and another bruising defender to surround Young with. Crowder would score less and grab less rebounds, but he'd contribute more intangibles that would lead to more winning.

I'd trade Collins for Crowder (and a first) without Johnson included. Adding Johnson makes it a no-brainer:

PG - Murray - Holiday
SG - Young - Bogdanovic
C - Capela - Okongkwu
PF - Hunter - J. Johnson
SF - Crowder - C. Johnson

Thanks for that......

[Geaux_Hawks]

If Griffin isn't even in your lineup, send him to ORL for a protected first or a player you might like for depth.

He should be in the lineup. Hawks are struggling from 3 and Nate refuses to play him unless he's forced to.

I just don't understand it either. Literally jettisoned 2 of our better 3 point shooters, and brought in nothing to make up the difference except for draft a rookie that is known to shoot 3's. So why aren't we using said rookie more?! Justin Holiday ain't even giving us much as it is, while AJ has at least shown the ability to knock down shots and play some solid defense.

[D21]

If Griffin isn't even in your lineup, send him to ORL for a protected first or a player you might like for depth.

He should be in the lineup. Hawks are struggling from 3 and Nate refuses to play him unless he's forced to.

I just don't understand it either. Literally jettisoned 2 of our better 3 point shooters, and brought in nothing to make up the difference except for draft a rookie that is known to shoot 3's. So why aren't we using said rookie more?! Justin Holiday ain't even giving us much as it is, while AJ has at least shown the ability to knock down shots and play some solid defense.

He certainly doesn't trust rookies and prefer experience, because he just want as much as possible wins to secure his job.
Certainly linked to bringing Bogi and Hunter sooner than it should have been done, to get more wins even if it cost them being injured again.
He didn't play Jalen last season, and he wants to repeat it with AJ this season

[HMFFL]

Anthony Davis has been on a tear recently. With Lebron oit , Davis doesn't have to worry about Lebrons defensive issues and the team has been pkayijg more fluid.

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[HMFFL]

Bogdan Bogdanovic remains on Suns' radar

[https://hoopshype]

League sources say Bogdanovic remains on Phoenix’s radar; he checks a lot of boxes as a shooter, ball handler, and rock-solid defender. But he hasn’t played yet this season while recovering from offseason knee surgery.

 

– via Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer



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[CP War Hawks]

John Collins trade ideas: JH as salary filler on some...

Joe Harris and Claxton
Bey and Noel
Morris Sr. and Roco
Crowder, Saric, and Craig
Hachimura, Krispert, and Barton

[Jamaaliver]

John Collins trade ideas: JH as salary filler on some...

Joe Harris and Claxton
Bey and Noel
Morris Sr. and Roco
Crowder, Saric, and Craig
Hachimura, Krispert, and Barton

Saddiq Bey interests me greatly.

As do Hachimura and Kispert.

I'd prefer to keep Collins and get a new coach at this point. Selling low on Collins just to do another salary dump is just bad asset management.

(I do wonder if that deformed finger is the cause of his poor shooting and rebounding, though.)

[Geaux_Hawks]

John Collins trade ideas: JH as salary filler on some...

Bey and Noel
Krispert

Would rather shoot for Bagley+Noel. Get a legit backup center and some actual upside at PF.

Kispert would be a great follow up for some shooting off the bench.

[D21]

BOS and GSW proved last season that it's better to be able to run a full five able to shoot 3s when needed.
We already traded away or let go two 3pts shooters (Gallo + Huerter), and defensive PG (Wright), and only got Murray as valuable piece, but is not good at 3pts.
This may be link to the struggle of Trae, less spacing for him than last season.

So, if we trade for a center, it has to be for a C that can shoot 3s, or this team won't be better.

[saloonyk8]

Seems like any trade has to be a defensive upgrade... especially considering the outgoing pieces are likely Collins or Bogi.

Is Crowder really that great of a defender? Will be be on the floor at the end of every game? Not sure.

Maybe the Lakers go on a losing streak and AD becomes available... But I don't see anyone else who would really help the Hawks much.

On the other hand of ownership is planning a salary dump it won't matter what we get back.

[D21]

But we don't need to improve more the defense, just keeping it like that, but improving the 3pts shooting, and have a better overall offense.
It should already improve once Bogi is 100%, so no need AD for that, a guy like Turner is enough. He keeps enough defense, but would really improve the offense possibilities. Now, do IND still want to trade him, or is it good to send guys under contract for an expiring one?...

[saloonyk8]

But we don't need to improve more the defense, just keeping it like that, but improving the 3pts shooting, and have a better overall offense.
It should already improve once Bogi is 100%, so no need AD for that, a guy like Turner is enough. He keeps enough defense, but would really improve the offense possibilities. Now, do IND still want to trade him, or is it good to send guys under contract for an expiring one?...

Are we confident we can play champion level defense with this roster? I see the Celtics and Bucks are the yard sticks for getting on that level.

A healthy squad right now (to me) is still a big defensive notch below those two for both regular season and post season

[saloonyk8]

Would anyone care for the following trade?

B Simmons for Collins and Bogi