Trade Thread (EPISODE VII: Which team wants our bad players for their good players?)

[osx28]

Admitedly I have only read the last couple of pages on this thread, so please forgive me if this has been proposed before.

Moody and a 2nd (maybe protected 1st if they push hard) for Thybulle. For Philly it would work since they get a much better shooter who's under contract for longer and they don't have to pay yet. Plus they're hardly using Thybulle now anyway.

I honestly think our problem isn't scoring, it's defense, Thybulle is such a stud on D.

Then trade Wiseman (and Rollins for salary matching purposes) and a future first for Olynyk to compensate for the loss of shooting in the 2nd unit and give us some competent size.

Finally if Ricky Rubio can't find playing time in Cleveland he might be expendable. we could send divincenzo and JMG plus whatever draft compensation is needed for Rubio and Robin Lopez (JMG and Lopez would be needed for salary matching). Rubio0s always been a good defender and his passing would open up some great Poole Party opportunities off ball and stabilize the stupid turnovers in the second unit. For cleveland it's only attractive if we send an unprotected first in exchange for a player who wouldn't play in their current system. Plus they're a little thin on the wing, they would put lavert at the 3 and Donte at the 2 since he is bigger than rubio.

So our second unit would look like this:

PG Rubio
SG Poole
SF Thybulle
PF Kuminga
C Olynik

You got youth, you got experience, you got defense, you got scoring. Kuminga would thrive playing the 4 like he did last year. Shooting wouldn't be too great but it can't get much worse than what we have now. plus if you stagger them and mix them in with Steph, Klay and Wiggins minutes, i think we'd be alright.

Want a killer 3 lineup? Steph, Poole, Klay, Wiggs and Olynyk would make it rain
Want a defensive backbreaker unit? Rubio,Thybulle, Wiggins, Dramond and Looney (although i don't know how they'd score lol)

These trades would give plenty of flexibility in the roster imo and we keep our most promising asset in kuminga.

[HiRez]

Admitedly I have only read the last couple of pages on this thread, so please forgive me if this has been proposed before.

Moody and a 2nd (maybe protected 1st if they push hard) for Thybulle. For Philly it would work since they get a much better shooter who's under contract for longer and they don't have to pay yet. Plus they're hardly using Thybulle now anyway.

I honestly think our isn't scoring, it's defense, Thybulle is such a stud on D.

Then trade Wiseman (and Rollins for salary matching purposes) and a future first for Olynyk to compensate for the loss of shooting in the 2nd unit and give us some competent size.

Finally if Ricky Rubio can't find playing time in Cleveland he might be expendable. we could send divincenzo and JMG plus whatever darft compensation is needed for Rubio and Robin Lopez (JMG and Lopez would be needed for salary matching). Rubio0s always been a good defender and his passing would open up some great Poole Party opportunities off ball and stabilize the stupid turnovers in the second unit. For cleveland it's only attractive if we send an unprotected first in exchange for a player who wouldn't play in their current system. Plus they're a little thin on the wing, they would put lavert at the 3 and Donte at the 2 since he is bigger than rubio.

So our second unit would look like this:

PG Rubio
SG Poole
SF Thybulle
PF Kuminga
C Olynik

You got youth, you got experience, you got defense, you got scoring. Kuminga would thrive playing the 4 like he did last year. Shooting wouldn't be too great but it can't get much worse than what we have now. plus if you stagger them and mix them in with Steph, Klay and Wiggins minutes, i think we'd be alright.

Want a killer 3 lineup? Steph, Poole, Klay, Wiggs and Olynyk would make it rain
Want a defensive backbreaker unit? Rubio,Thybulle, Wiggins, Dramond and Looney (although i don't know how they'd score lol)

These trades would give plenty of flexibility in the roster imo and we keep our most promising asset in kuminga.

This is actually a pretty good plan, well done. I don’t see the necessary fire, toughness, and awareness in Wiseman to succeed at the NBA level (like why does this dude constantly lose rebounds to guys 6-10 inches shorter than him?), and even if he pans out it’s going to be years down the road. I like Moody but I just think his lack of athleticism is going to be a problem in the NBA — everyone praises him for how “steady” he is but the upside might not be there (despite that, I do like him though).

Of the 3 Kuminga is the one I would bet on, but he needs serious playing time and some better teammates to get there (one thing that seems a constant is that the more minutes Kuminga gets, the better he tends to play).

Bringing in some solid vets and sending out Wiseman and Moody allows them to focus on Kuminga as their one and only project and I think everyone would be better for it.

[bay2hk]

Jazz trying to trade Rudy Gay. What about Gay and Vanderbilt for Wiseman. Salaries matches, and same length of years. Gay would have been a Warriors in the 2006 draft if we picked one spot higher. Unfortunately, we drafted Wiseman's dad that year...

[tarantism]

Pistons open to trading Saddiq Bey.

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[wco81]

I can see the Pistons moving off Hayes and maybe Bey but not sure why they'd give up Stewart unless he's playing so well that he's going to command a big extension when his rookie deal is done.

Pistons now have to be looking at Ivey and Cade as their big cornerstones and then possibly whomever they may draft in June.

But they'd be facing the same problem with having to pay Wiseman soon. And right now, Stewart is way more playable than Wiseman, though I guess at some point, Pistons may not want to win much with Cade out.

[Coxy]

Pistons open to trading Saddiq Bey.

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I was looking at a trade of Wiseman and Poole for Bey and Noel, think it has something for both teams there.

[wco81]

With Bey, might as well trade Kuminga or Moody because there won't be enough playing time for all of them.

There aren't enough minutes for Moody and Kuminga as it is.

[sogood]

Pistons open to trading Saddiq Bey.

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lmao holy homer trade.

Stewart is younger and better than Wiseman. Are they giving up Bey and Killian out of the goodness of their heart?

[wco81]

Pistons may let Hayes walk when his rookie contract is up.

Question is which young players they want to pay and keep on the team in the next 2-3 years as all these rookie deals end.

[cdubbz]

Pistons open to trading Saddiq Bey.

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lmao holy homer trade.

Stewart is younger and better than Wiseman. Are they giving up Bey and Killian out of the goodness of their heart?

Yes. They are very kind over in Detroit!

[cdubbz]

Ben Simmons + Seth Curry + 2023 / 2024 1st Round Pick / 2024 Unprotected for Jordan Poole + Draymond + Wiseman?

Draymond and Poole definite upgrade over both Simmons and Seth for Brooklyn. So, looks rather lopsided of a trade (What trade scenario isn't involving Simmons?), but that's why we ask for an 2023 or 2024 Unprotected 1st round pick in return.

Thoughts? Good? Trash idea?

I like the thought and I’ve been wanting Seth Curry with us to end his career. Poole is more dynamic and we need that off the bench still. I used to want a Ben Simmons for Green trade but he’s just not mentally in it I feel. No fire behind his game.

[azwfan]

Killian Hayes is a buy low candidate I'd be interested in if our bench was performing decently and we wanted to make a move with the end of the bench. Unfortunately for us, we got a ton of young guys who can't play already and need guys who can so don't think he really fits.

Bey is someone I really liked rookie year, but looking at his numbers it looks like his shooting is worse and... frankly if DET is willing to sell him he must not be doing all that hot. No guarantee he can play in our system either.

[wco81]

Yeah Bey is not a high efficiency shooter.

Percentages have gone down as shot volume has gone up.

They may not want to extend him only to have to give Cade a huge or max extension the following year.

If Ivey is also going to get a max extension, Pistons have to at least be a playoffs team.

They also extended Bogie too.

[clyde21]

i think Orlando is probably the most natural trading partner at this point for us

i would do something like Poole/Kuminga for Isaac/Harris/their 23 firsts after this season for example.

[ClutchUp]

i think Orlando is probably the most natural trading partner at this point for us

i would do something like Poole/Kuminga for Isaac/Harris/their 23 firsts after this season for example.

Poole can't be traded until the summer.

[clyde21]

i think Orlando is probably the most natural trading partner at this point for us

i would do something like Poole/Kuminga for Isaac/Harris/their 23 firsts after this season for example.

Poole can't be traded until the summer.

[whatisacenter]

what do you think about Myles Turner? If they Warriors acquired him in a trade that didn't involve Looney it would most likely bump Kevon to the bench. That would make their bench Poole, DDV, Looney and JAM. I was initially reluctant to trade the young guys but I don't think the team is going to give them enough minutes for them to grow through making mistakes. I would guess the trade would involve Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody. What would be too much for you to do the trade? Would you be willing to offer all 3 for a potential one year rental? Would you add a FRP? If Turner can stay healthy, adding him to Steph, Klay, Draymond and Wiggins would be a pretty daunting lineup.

[Coxy]

I think Crowder and Poetl make the most sense for us in trade. Go get em Bob.

[ahmetmekin]

I would target Crowder, but I am uncertain if the Suns trade him to the Warriors.

[whatisacenter]

I would target Crowder, but I am uncertain if the Suns trade him to the Warriors.

would you be willing to trade Wiseman or Kuminga/Moody for him as a one year rental coming off the bench? I agree he would help the bench but it seems like a lot to give up.

agree that the Suns might not want to be trade partners with the Dubs so maybe if it turned into a multi-team deal they could get in with other assets?