Banchero and M. Wagner PROBABLE for Friday, Carter and Okeke questionable

drsd · Post #21 » by **drsd** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:15 am

Paolo Banchero (is) healthy enough to play in Friday night's game against the Philadelphia 76ers.

Banchero is expected to return after missing the past seven games with an ankle sprain. He was not listed on the injury report.

MagicManMike · Post #22 » by **MagicManMike** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 2:45 pm

FULTZ IS BACK PRACTICING!

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2022/11/23/orlando-magic-see-light-end-injury-tunnel/amp/

richi_v25 · Post #23 » by **richi_v25** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 4:17 pm

tooler wrote:You’re a diehard fan if you’re just as excited to see Moe out there mucking it up.

Ahhhh this is so exciting coming only in second to seeing Paolo in his first game. It's sad but I'm not even joking, Mo buckets was my favorite player last season. Compared to other players(even his own blood) he doesn't have the skills or physical gifts to compete but his drive gets him there. He led our team to a few victories and got under alot of opposing teams player's skin.

ReadyOrlando · Post #24 » by **ReadyOrlando** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:27 pm

richi_v25 wrote:
tooler wrote:You’re a diehard fan if you’re just as excited to see Moe out there mucking it up.

Ahhhh this is so exciting coming only in second to seeing Paolo in his first game. It's sad but I'm not even joking, Mo buckets was my favorite player last season. Compared to other players(even his own blood) he doesn't have the skills or physical gifts to compete but his drive gets him there. He led our team to a few victories and got under alot of opposing teams player's skin.

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Skybox · Post #25 » by **Skybox** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:34 pm

WCJ's plantar fasciitis is very concerning...Paolo is a big dude, but nobody on the team, other than WCJ, defends physically inside. I was 6th row at the MIN game and Kat just stormed through the paint like noone was there...because noone was. We could really use a physical big vet off the scrap heap while WCJ is getting right. Bamba and Bol get their hands in there, but a true big (I know -there really aren't many anymore) will have their way with ORL. Lucky that Embiid's not around - that could've been ugly.

tleikheen · Post #26 » by **tleikheen** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:21 pm

Porzingis is 27 yrs old ,7'3" /235#'s and he anchors a top 10 Wiz defense ,BolBol is 23 yrs old and 7'2 /220 #'s and is the only player Orlando has that keeps them from being a bottom tier defensive team. The threat of the block is his weapon.
Porzingis was the original unicorn ,now the Magic have Bol,OKC has Poku and Holmgren,and Wembanyama is waiting in line. The Magic are ahead of the trend but Id hate to see the Magic lose Bol next yr because they want him coming off the bench after he clearly sees what he can do on the court as a 30 minute plus player .

Bergmaniac · Post #27 » by **Bergmaniac** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:37 pm

tleikheen wrote:Porzingis is 27 yrs old ,7'3" /235#'s and he anchors a top 10 Wiz defense ,BolBol is 23 yrs old and 7'2 /220 #'s and is the only player Orlando has that keeps them from being a bottom tier defensive team.

We are a bottom tier defensive team. And the main reason we aren't even worse is not Bol but WCJr.

basketballRob · Post #28 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:49 pm

MagicManMike wrote:FULTZ IS BACK PRACTICING!

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2022/11/23/orlando-magic-see-light-end-injury-tunnel/amp/

Nice, after he begins ramping up he should be back this season .

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basketballRob · Post #29 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:50 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:
tleikheen wrote:Porzingis is 27 yrs old ,7'3" /235#'s and he anchors a top 10 Wiz defense ,BolBol is 23 yrs old and 7'2 /220 #'s and is the only player Orlando has that keeps them from being a bottom tier defensive team.

We are a bottom tier defensive team. And the main reason we aren't even worse is not Bol but WCJr.

According to Defensive Raptor, both Paolo and WCJ are playing great defense .

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PrimeThyme · Post #30 » by **PrimeThyme** » Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:20 pm

SOUL wrote:I can't believe Philly is tanking like they are. Holding out their players with fake injuries.

Unfortunately, we are responding with an insane counter. No WCJ, Ross, Cole, Fultz, Chuma, and Isaac.

It’s a must for our organization to have atleast 6 rotational players out at all times.

jonbob17 · Post #31 » by **jonbob17** » Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:28 pm

Suggs joins the out list for tonight's game. We have 6 players out and Bamba and Okeke questionable.

drsd · Post #32 » by **drsd** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:41 am

jonbob17 wrote:Suggs joins the out list for tonight's game. We have 6 players out and Bamba and Okeke questionable.

Looking at how competitive the Magic was without Bamba and Okeke, I would be happy if both are now full-time 3rd stringers.

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jonbob17 · Post #33 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:55 pm

drsd wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:Suggs joins the out list for tonight's game. We have 6 players out and Bamba and Okeke questionable.

Looking at how competitive the Magic was without Bamba and Okeke, I would be happy if both are now full-time 3rd stringers.

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Bamba is our best back up center by far, imo, and yah he isn't good. Okeke, i am not sure what we are going to end up doing with him. The defense looks ok, but it doesn't really impact percentages, he really should be guarding 4s and maybe switching. If Okeke can't make 3s I am not sure he gets a 2nd contract.

And before anybody says it, Bol is not a center, if we are going small ball, PB is probably the 5

NavalAviator94 · Post #34 » by **NavalAviator94** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:57 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
drsd wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:Suggs joins the out list for tonight's game. We have 6 players out and Bamba and Okeke questionable.

Looking at how competitive the Magic was without Bamba and Okeke, I would be happy if both are now full-time 3rd stringers.

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Bamba is our best back up center by far, imo, and yah he isn't good. Okeke, i am not sure what we are going to end up doing with him. The defense looks ok, but it doesn't really impact percentages, he really should be guarding 4s and maybe switching. If Okeke can't make 3s I am not sure he gets a 2nd contract.

And before anybody says it, Bol is not a center, if we are going small ball, PB is probably the 5

PB needs to get comfortable with contact. He's plenty big and strong enough

tooler · Post #35 » by **tooler** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:11 pm

His comfort level with contact doesn't matter. What's important is you don't wear down your alpha scorer by forcing him to defend big centers game after game. That's fine for short stretches with small ball. Otherwise, the team needs a legitimate backup center.

NavalAviator94 · Post #36 » by **NavalAviator94** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:16 pm

tooler wrote:His comfort level with contact doesn't matter. What's important is you don't wear down your alpha scorer by forcing him to defend big centers game after game. That's fine for short stretches with small ball. Otherwise, the team needs a legitimate backup center.

I'm not saying full time but certainly stretches.

Post #37 » by **eyriq** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:19 pm

If Bol isn't a center in the NBA then I don't think he's a starter.

jonbob17 · Post #38 » by **jonbob17** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:10 pm

eyriq wrote:If Bol isn't a center in the NBA then I don't think he's a starter.

Probably, but I don't know that he needs to be a starter to be plenty valuable. I think he can be a fine rotational player as a combo forward. Bol's value comes as a help defender and whatever it is that he has been doing on the offensive end from the perimeter and the easy stuff from cuts and clean ups.

I'd love to get as much skill on the court as possible and put him at the 5, i just don't think he can defend it. If we go 5 out it should be fine on offense. All the blocks are great, but he's not a great defender.

Skybox · Post #39 » by **Skybox** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:55 pm

jonbob17 wrote:and whatever it is that he has been doing on the offensive end from the perimeter

^ Best description of Bol's unprecedented, unpredictable, unstoppable offensive game. He contributes most when he's completely wild. Snatch a board, put it behind your back, dribble the length of the floor, crash through 3 defenders, spin the ball off the top of the backboard, and watch it bounce twice on the rim and drop...Just like Mose drew it up :lol:

That's not a good fit with NBA starters of a more conventional skill set...Bol's fit is a problem but his value is undeniable. He's very impactful when he's on the floor. I like the idea of him as the focal point ("green light") of a second unit built to mask his weaknesses and let him flow to his strengths. His numbers are insane but if anyone wants to bet they are able to be maintained all season, I'm here. It's a little like Cole but, thus far way more effective and efficient. His game looks like it should get you benched, but all of the shots fall - freaking amazing!

My point is he's a square peg and, IMO, trying to fit him into a round hole will diminish him. I also don't think his particular brand of awesomeness is something you can build around or that it enhances his running mates...just pick your spots and turn him loose. He's very young and new to this, so maybe maybe they'll collectively find ways to make the most of him.

NavalAviator94 · Post #40 » by **NavalAviator94** » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:14 pm

Skybox wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:and whatever it is that he has been doing on the offensive end from the perimeter

^ Best description of Bol's unprecedented, unpredictable, unstoppable offensive game. He contributes most when he's completely wild. Snatch a board, put it behind your back, dribble the length of the floor, crash through 3 defenders, spin the ball off the top of the backboard, and watch it bounce twice on the rim and drop...Just like Mose drew it up That's not a good fit with NBA starters of a more conventional skill set...Bol's fit is a problem but his value is undeniable. He's very impactful when he's on the floor. I like the idea of him as the focal point ("green light") of a second unit built to mask his weaknesses and let him flow to his strengths. His numbers are insane but if anyone wants to bet they are able to be maintained all season, I'm here. It's a little like Cole but, thus far way more effective and efficient. His game looks like it should get you benched, but all of the shots fall - freaking amazing!

My point is he's a square peg and, IMO, trying to fit him into a round hole will diminish him. I also don't think his particular brand of awesomeness is something you can build around or that it enhances his running mates...just pick your spots and turn him loose. He's very young and new to this, so maybe maybe they'll collectively find ways to make the most of him.

The guy is drinking through a fire hose playing 5 positions, he'll eventually figure out how to be competent team defender and I'm super excited to see him play with a legit play maker like Fultz. The one area that I think will completely change his value is when he understands the game well enough to become a meaningful playmaker. At 7'3 he sees everything. We've seen tiny glimpses but enough to know that he has some skill that needs nurturing.