Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread.

[montestewart]

Barton is a chucker which means you take the good with the bad. Unfortunately so far, he's just been bad.

He had one good quarter

[tleikheen]

Morris and Goodwin questionable for todays game

This is a good game for PG) Beal SG) Kispert SF) Avidja PF) Kuzma C) to start .One problem ,it seems every opposing coach makes Unseld Jr adapt to their coaching .Our best players need minutes ,not 10 players all getting 15-24 mpg.Force teams to adjust to our length on the court.

[AFM]

Whats up with Gafford? He's playing single digits minutes/gm. Am I missing something?

[Pistol King]

I'm curios to hear, what is your opinion guys about the amount of shot attempts Beal (16.8) Kuz (15.7) and Prozingis (15.1) currently get. Is it too many for the benefit of the whole team? is it good enough?

I can't help but feeling they are sharing too many % of the shots to mainly justify the 'big three' title. Especially Kuz. But is it increasing the ceiling of the current roster long term? I dunno. I personally feel OK with Beal and Zingus getting their current amount, but I wonder if there is any real way for more 3-4 players to get into rhythm in daily basis when there aren't many other shots to be shared. I wonder if the solution would be to increase the numbers of offensive possessions, or to reduce at least the amount of shots Kuz gets. for perspective, the whole team averages 87 shot attempts per game, while Beal, Kuz and Prozingis together getting 47.6 shots per game, which means 55% of the shots. Meh. when I'm thinking about it again I actually OK with only Prozingis as someone who is a part of any 'big three', because of his ability to impact defensively on nightly basis.

[NatP4]

Per 538s RAPTOR player ratings:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/?player=Bradley%20Beal&season=2023

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Player              Pos Min Off  Def  Total WAR
1 Delon Wright      PG  91 -1.0 +12.8 +11.8 0.7
2 Kristaps PorzingisPF 440 +4.6 +3.7  +8.2  2.4
3 Jordan Goodwin    SG 171 +1.5 +3.2  +4.6  0.6
4 Bradley Beal      SG 353 +3.2 -2.0  +1.2  0.7
5 Daniel Gafford    C  212 -3.1 +4.2  +1.1  0.4
6 Kyle Kuzma        PF 500 -1.1 -0.3  -1.4  0.3
7 Monte Morris      PG 413 +0.2 -1.8  -1.7  0.2
8 Anthony Gill      PF 173 +0.9 -2.8  -2.0  0.1
9 Corey Kispert     SF 157 -2.2 +0.1  -2.1  0.0
10 Deni Avdija      SF 345 -2.5 +0.4  -2.2  0.1
11 Rui Hachimura    PF 347 -4.3 -0.9  -5.2 -0.4
12 Will Barton      SG 350 -2.7 -3.9  -6.6 -0.7

The good:
Delon Wright (was incredible defensively before injury), Porzingis (playing the best of his career - all-star level), Goodwin , Beal (good not great starter ) & Gafford (despite being a train wreck offensively).

The bad:
Kuzma (expected), Morris (expected), Gill (expected), Kispert (its early though), Avdija (biggest disappointment so far, defense isn't making up for inability to finish or hit open shots).

The ugly:
Hachimura (expected) & Barton (was never good but a career down year so far).

One week later and Kispert is up to #5 on the roster at +0.3.

Still expecting Deni to get going offensively. Wizards have 7 good players: Wright, Beal, Porzingis, Goodwin, Kispert, Gafford, and Deni. Goodwin is still SSS obviously. Hachimura is the massive miss by Tommy.

[dckingsfan]

Per 538s RAPTOR player ratings:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/?player=Bradley%20Beal&season=2023

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Player              Pos Min Off  Def  Total WAR
1 Delon Wright      PG  91 -1.0 +12.8 +11.8 0.7
2 Kristaps PorzingisPF 440 +4.6 +3.7  +8.2  2.4
3 Jordan Goodwin    SG 171 +1.5 +3.2  +4.6  0.6
4 Bradley Beal      SG 353 +3.2 -2.0  +1.2  0.7
5 Daniel Gafford    C  212 -3.1 +4.2  +1.1  0.4
6 Kyle Kuzma        PF 500 -1.1 -0.3  -1.4  0.3
7 Monte Morris      PG 413 +0.2 -1.8  -1.7  0.2
8 Anthony Gill      PF 173 +0.9 -2.8  -2.0  0.1
9 Corey Kispert     SF 157 -2.2 +0.1  -2.1  0.0
10 Deni Avdija      SF 345 -2.5 +0.4  -2.2  0.1
11 Rui Hachimura    PF 347 -4.3 -0.9  -5.2 -0.4
12 Will Barton      SG 350 -2.7 -3.9  -6.6 -0.7

The good:
Delon Wright (was incredible defensively before injury), Porzingis (playing the best of his career - all-star level), Goodwin , Beal (good not great starter ) & Gafford (despite being a train wreck offensively).

The bad:
Kuzma (expected), Morris (expected), Gill (expected), Kispert (its early though), Avdija (biggest disappointment so far, defense isn't making up for inability to finish or hit open shots).

The ugly:
Hachimura (expected) & Barton (was never good but a career down year so far).

One week later and Kispert is up to #5 on the roster at +0.3.

Still expecting Deni to get going offensively. Wizards have 7 good players: Wright, Beal, Porzingis, Goodwin, Kispert, Gafford, and Deni. Goodwin is still SSS obviously. Hachimura is the massive miss by Tommy.

The only puzzling part of Wes rotations is the continued play of Barton. I can see why Tommy wants Rui to play to decide if to extend him, trade him or just waive him after the season.

[payitforward]

Barton has a long history of being a reasonably solid player. That's why he continues to get minutes.

No way we'll "waive" Rui -- just let him go. Not a chance.

Rui has marketing value. The NBA is a business.

[tleikheen]

Beal running PG gives the Wiz their best team. 2 things happening is he's leading the Wiz in assists with 5.8 apg and could go to 7 playing PG more minutes. He's also letting Deni bring the ball up more . The beginning of the season Deni overly deferred the ball up to Beal too much,now he's playing more aggressively with the ball in his hands.
Playing Beal at PG is getting more minutes for Kispert and Rui./
Beal does turn the ball over but still good things happen when he starts the offense. He's shooting 50/just under 40/90 .He keeps that up he's earning his money.
Even though theirs a love affair with Goodwin going on I think Wright will be better backing up Beal if he's the PG.
The core could and should be is PG) Beal,SG) Kispert SF) Avidja PF) Kuzma C) Porzingis
6th man Hachimura, backups Wright,Gafford,and Davis ....... trade bait Barton,Morris ....end of the bench Gill,Gibson

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Beal running PG gives the Wiz their best team. 2 things happening is he's leading the Wiz in assists with 5.8 apg and could go to 7 playing PG more minutes. He's also letting Deni bring the ball up more . The beginning of the season Deni overly deferred the ball up to Beal too much,now he's playing more aggressively with the ball in his hands.
Playing Beal at PG is getting more minutes for Kispert and Rui./
Beal does turn the ball over but still good things happen when he starts the offense. He's shooting 50/just under 40/90 .He keeps that up he's earning his money.
Even though theirs a love affair with Goodwin going on I think Wright will be better backing up Beal if he's the PG.
The core could and should be is PG) Beal,SG) Kispert SF) Avidja PF) Kuzma C) Porzingis
6th man Hachimura, backups Wright,Gafford,and Davis ....... trade bait Barton,Morris ....end of the bench Gill,Gibson

Very much disagree. Our offense grinds to a crawl when he’s running the point. Takes ways too long to initiate sets. Takes our best off the ball player and puts him on the ball. Creates defensive mismatches for us.

Both Goody and Wright fit the bill better. We’re even better when Morris is point. Heck, I’d like to see Dotson get some minutes.

[nate33]

Beal running PG gives the Wiz their best team. 2 things happening is he's leading the Wiz in assists with 5.8 apg and could go to 7 playing PG more minutes. He's also letting Deni bring the ball up more . The beginning of the season Deni overly deferred the ball up to Beal too much,now he's playing more aggressively with the ball in his hands.
Playing Beal at PG is getting more minutes for Kispert and Rui./
Beal does turn the ball over but still good things happen when he starts the offense. He's shooting 50/just under 40/90 .He keeps that up he's earning his money.
Even though theirs a love affair with Goodwin going on I think Wright will be better backing up Beal if he's the PG.
The core could and should be is PG) Beal,SG) Kispert SF) Avidja PF) Kuzma C) Porzingis
6th man Hachimura, backups Wright,Gafford,and Davis ....... trade bait Barton,Morris ....end of the bench Gill,Gibson

Very much disagree. Our offense grinds to a crawl when he’s running the point. Takes ways too long to initiate sets. Takes our best off the ball player and puts him on the ball. Creates defensive mismatches for us.

Both Goody and Wright fit the bill better. We’re even better when Morris is point. Heck, I’d like to see Dotson get some minutes.

By "Beal running PG", I think he means that Beal is the smallest player on the floor for the Wizards. Avdija (and perhaps Kuzma) would be bringing the ball up the court and getting us into our sets. Avdija would also guard the opposition's primary initiator. So Avdija is really the PG.

Basically, tleikheen is arguing to bench Morris and start Kispert in his place. I think it makes a fair bit of sense. At the very least, it puts our 5 best players on the court together (Beal, Kispert, Avdija, Kuzma, Porzingis). I'm not fixated on that being the starting lineup, but I'd like to see that 5-man lineup share the court together for a good chunk of time each game.

[dckingsfan]

Two things I noticed in our recent games. We don't push the ball hard enough (I wonder where we rank in fast breaks and pace)?

We need to run sets that get Kuzma going downhill toward the basket. I think a Kuz/Beal two man game away from the ball would help this.

[DCZards]

Two things I noticed in our recent games. We don't push the ball hard enough (I wonder where we rank in fast breaks and pace)?

We need to run sets that get Kuzma going downhill toward the basket. I think a Kuz/Beal two man game away from the ball would help this.

Pushing the ball harder would mean having Morris or Goodwin at PG.

There’s a sentiment here to have Deni bringing up the ball and initiating the offense, which I don’t have a problem with. The downside is that Deni is not really someone you want running the fast break with the ball in his hands. I don’t think he’d be very good at that at this point.

[dckingsfan]

Two things I noticed in our recent games. We don't push the ball hard enough (I wonder where we rank in fast breaks and pace)?

We need to run sets that get Kuzma going downhill toward the basket. I think a Kuz/Beal two man game away from the ball would help this.

Pushing the ball harder would mean having Morris and Goodwin at PG.

There’s a sentiment here to have Deni bringing up the ball and initiating the offense, which I don’t have a problem with. The downside is that Deni is not really someone you want running the fast break with the ball in his hands. I don’t think he’d be very good at that at this point.

Disagree.

When I was watching the games often the person with the ball was the first up the court (that goes for Deni, Kuz, Goodwin, etc.). Everyone has to go - that is why our pace is so low (opinion).

Reminder that pushing the pace also helps break a zone.

[DCZards]

Two things I noticed in our recent games. We don't push the ball hard enough (I wonder where we rank in fast breaks and pace)?

We need to run sets that get Kuzma going downhill toward the basket. I think a Kuz/Beal two man game away from the ball would help this.

Pushing the ball harder would mean having Morris and Goodwin at PG.

There’s a sentiment here to have Deni bringing up the ball and initiating the offense, which I don’t have a problem with. The downside is that Deni is not really someone you want running the fast break with the ball in his hands. I don’t think he’d be very good at that at this point.

Disagree.

When I was watching the games often the person with the ball was the first up the court (that goes for Deni, Kuz, Goodwin, etc.). Everyone has to go - that is why our pace is so low (opinion).

Reminder that pushing the pace also helps break a zone.

I’m not against running more fast breaks. I just think you typically need a small, fast PG on the court to do it well.

Deni is simply not fast enough with the ball in his hands to regularly lead the fast break, IMO. Very few 6-9 and taller players are.

I believe that’s at least part of the reason we’re not seeing more fast breaks when Deni is at lead guard.

[dckingsfan]

Pushing the ball harder would mean having Morris and Goodwin at PG.

There’s a sentiment here to have Deni bringing up the ball and initiating the offense, which I don’t have a problem with. The downside is that Deni is not really someone you want running the fast break with the ball in his hands. I don’t think he’d be very good at that at this point.

Disagree.

When I was watching the games often the person with the ball was the first up the court (that goes for Deni, Kuz, Goodwin, etc.). Everyone has to go - that is why our pace is so low (opinion).

Reminder that pushing the pace also helps break a zone.

I’m not against running more fast breaks. I just think you typically need a small, fast PG on the court to do it well.

Deni is simply not fast enough with the ball in his hands to regularly lead the fast break, IMO. Very few 6-9 and taller players are.

I believe that’s at least part of the reason we’re not seeing more fast breaks when Deni is at lead guard.

We can agree to disagree. I think both Kuz and Deni are capable of pushing the pace a great deal. I don't think you need to be small to have that capability.

[tleikheen]

I think both Kuz and Deni are capable of pushing the pace a great deal. I don't think you need to be small to have that capability.

Ball moves faster up the court through the pass . Its taking awhile for Deni to bring the ballup always deferring to Beal. Kuz wants the offense to go through him and him wanting to bring the ball up and Beal by lack of quaiity PG play is playing more PG .These 3 guys shouldnt care who brings the ball up and pass and push the pace wihen the outlet pass is passed.
I think we're all getting tired of KP's heat check fro 3 pt to start the game his 1st 3 should be as a trailer or within the flow of the offense .KP passes up alot of 2 pt shots around the FT line when he actuallly ventures there.

This offense of passing around the 3pt line looks ugly and simple and results with us game after game seeing the Wiz offense at the bottom tier of the league in pts scored.

[NatP4]

When healthy, Barton and Hachimura gotta go. Both of those guys are flat out horrible. Give a guy like Goodwin(who is the best guard on the roster) that playing time.

Morris 24 Wright 24
Beal 24 Goodwin 20 Kispert 4
Avdija 18 Beal 10 Kispert 20
Kuzma 28 Avdija 10 Gill 10
Porzingis 30 Gafford 18

[Halcyon]

Morris is pretty bad, I would not play him 24 minutes.

[tleikheen]

Morris is pretty bad, I would not play him 24 minutes.

Same guys pushing Morris and Barton are tankers wanting the Wiz to lose and blow up the team.

[FAH1223]

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