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Matisse Thybulle 

Post#1 » by LSV » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:41 am

The Philadelphia 76ers are around $1.1 million above the luxury tax, and it seems they are counting less and less on Matisse Thybulle.
Matisse is a well-above-average defender, one of the best in the NBA, but he's having trouble shooting.
He always faces the best attacker on the opposing team, which would help take defensive work off Cade and Ivey.

As the season is going for the Pistons, made worse by Cade's injury, we could be tried a December-January trade of Matisse (4.4M) for Kevin Knox (3M), to test he until the end of the season.
Knox doesn't seem to be counted on too much, and it would be very interesting to try Matisse as part of our young roster.
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Post#2 » by vege » Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:26 am

Thybulle is unplayable because of his offense. We need 2 way players. Our team goes from historically bad on offense (drawing comparrissons to that Charlotte team), to historically bad on defense.

Thybulle is a special defender, but a team can't play 4 on 5 on offense, Hayes should've made it clear by now. Even Embiid Maxey and Harden can't carry Thybulle.

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Post#3 » by LSV » Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:31 am

LSV wrote:The Philadelphia 76ers are around $1.1 million above the luxury tax, and it seems they are counting less and less on Matisse Thybulle.
Matisse is a well-above-average defender, one of the best in the NBA, but he's having trouble shooting.
He always faces the best attacker on the opposing team, which would help take defensive work off Cade and Ivey.

As the season is going for the Pistons, made worse by Cade's injury, we could be tried a December-January trade of Matisse (4.4M) for Kevin Knox (3M), to test he until the end of the season.
Knox doesn't seem to be counted on too much, and it would be very interesting to try Matisse as part of our young roster.


The roster could be like this:

Cade / Ivey / Matisse / Bojan / Duren
Hayes / Burks-Diallo / Bey / Stewart-Livers / Bagley

Shooting and defense in both.
* Cade, if he comes back soon.
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Post#4 » by vege » Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:39 am

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LSV wrote:The Philadelphia 76ers are around $1.1 million above the luxury tax, and it seems they are counting less and less on Matisse Thybulle.
Matisse is a well-above-average defender, one of the best in the NBA, but he's having trouble shooting.
He always faces the best attacker on the opposing team, which would help take defensive work off Cade and Ivey.

As the season is going for the Pistons, made worse by Cade's injury, we could be tried a December-January trade of Matisse (4.4M) for Kevin Knox (3M), to test he until the end of the season.
Knox doesn't seem to be counted on too much, and it would be very interesting to try Matisse as part of our young roster.


The roster could be like this:

Cade / Ivey / Matisse / Bojan / Duren
Hayes / Burks-Diallo / Bey / Stewart-Livers / Bagley

Shooting and defense in both.
* Cade, if he comes back soon.


Only shooter in the starters lineup is Bojan. Duren and Thybulle have 0 offense. There's only so much Cade and Ivey can do if they don't have help.

2nd unit would be a disaster because of Hayes and Bagley.

We need 2 way players, like Jerami Grant for example or Bol Bol.

We don't have much talent in our roster right now. We are one of the worst teams in history Philly Hinkie level of bad, Bringing another fringe NBA player will only make things worse.

If Thybulle could do anything on offense, he would be a special player, sadly he can't.
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Re: Matisse Thybulle 

Post#5 » by pistonsbball » Tue Nov 22, 2022 11:54 am

Would rather take a flyer on Okoro who is 4 years younger. Much like Killian he's shooting the ball better the last 10 or so games after an awful start to the season. Shooting splits were 48/35 last season and his FT shooting has always been ok, so no reason he couldn't develop into a very good 3&d player to complement our lead guards.

I wonder if Cleveland would give us one or even two of the 1st rd picks they still own for Bey/Knox.. or even just Okoro straight up for Burks.
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Post#6 » by Manocad » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:53 pm

vege wrote:
LSV wrote:
LSV wrote:The Philadelphia 76ers are around $1.1 million above the luxury tax, and it seems they are counting less and less on Matisse Thybulle.
Matisse is a well-above-average defender, one of the best in the NBA, but he's having trouble shooting.
He always faces the best attacker on the opposing team, which would help take defensive work off Cade and Ivey.

As the season is going for the Pistons, made worse by Cade's injury, we could be tried a December-January trade of Matisse (4.4M) for Kevin Knox (3M), to test he until the end of the season.
Knox doesn't seem to be counted on too much, and it would be very interesting to try Matisse as part of our young roster.


The roster could be like this:

Cade / Ivey / Matisse / Bojan / Duren
Hayes / Burks-Diallo / Bey / Stewart-Livers / Bagley

Shooting and defense in both.
* Cade, if he comes back soon.


Only shooter in the starters lineup is Bojan. Duren and Thybulle have 0 offense. There's only so much Cade and Ivey can do if they don't have help.

2nd unit would be a disaster because of Hayes and Bagley.

We need 2 way players, like Jerami Grant for example or Bol Bol.

We don't have much talent in our roster right now. We are one of the worst teams in history Philly Hinkie level of bad, Bringing another fringe NBA player will only make things worse.

If Thybulle could do anything on offense, he would be a special player, sadly he can't.

So Cade, Ivey, Bey, Bojan, Stew, and Duren don't count as talent on this roster?

This team's biggest problem by far is lack of defense, which is mostly due to a poor scheme of constantly having players switch when they're not good at defending the player they're switching to.
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Re: Matisse Thybulle 

Post#7 » by LSV » Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:13 pm

I really understand that it would make more sense to test Matisse if Cade doesn't return this season, and we enter trades for Bojan, Burks and Noel. I'm not clear who would come in exchange for each of them and our veterans would become Cory and Rodney.
In that case the roster would be 100% to try.

Roster:
Hayes / Ivey / Matisse / Stewart / Duren
--- / Diallo / Bey / Livers / Bagley
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Post#8 » by chrbal » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:15 pm

If the Sixers are just giving him away, sure. But he really doesn’t fit beyond being a remaining season tryout. As much as I irrationally don’t like Knox , I’d still rather have him then Thybulle
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Post#9 » by Manocad » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:43 pm

Considering where the team is at currently in their development timeline, making a move for a player like Thybulle makes no sense to me. Why? As a big upgrade in some way? No. As a long term piece? No. I look at it this way--what does adding one well above average defender do for this team right now, in the grand scheme? Improve the win total by what? 5 wins? 7 wins? And that achieves what?

I'd much rather see lineups that make more sense defensively using the core of guys the team has now and coaching them up rather than looking for constant changes. IMO you do that when you're close to contending and need to make those little improvements here and there (or one big improvement) to get over the top.
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Post#10 » by 7r5ur » Tue Nov 22, 2022 7:14 pm

Thybulle is like Killian Hayes without the passing ability. The Sixers can't even afford to play him on a squad with Embiid, Harden, Maxey, and Harris taking all the shots. The Pistons definitely don't have the luxury of playing another guy that teams don't have to defend at all.
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Post#11 » by tradez401 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:56 am

we got livers who kinda like thybulle a bit below defender than him but a better shooter so no need to trade for him imo.
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Post#12 » by SamFlow » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:15 am

I would not mind taking a swing on Matisse..... for burks maybe. Something on that level. I wouldn't give up THAT much to get him but I wouldn't mind trying him out.
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Post#13 » by Manocad » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:16 am

SamFlow wrote:I would not mind taking a swing on Matisse..... for burks maybe. Something on that level. I wouldn't give up THAT much to get him but I wouldn't mind trying him out.

If these last few games with Burks are showing anything, it's that this team with Thybulle and minus Burks would NOT be better.
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Post#14 » by tmorgan » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:37 am

Manocad wrote:
SamFlow wrote:I would not mind taking a swing on Matisse..... for burks maybe. Something on that level. I wouldn't give up THAT much to get him but I wouldn't mind trying him out.

If these last few games with Burks are showing anything, it's that this team with Thybulle and minus Burks would NOT be better.


Stronger than that, even. Likely considerably worse.
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Post#15 » by LSV » Wed Nov 23, 2022 11:54 am

SamFlow wrote:I would not mind taking a swing on Matisse..... for burks maybe. Something on that level. I wouldn't give up THAT much to get him but I wouldn't mind trying him out.


But that does not fit with the initial idea "The Philadelphia 76ers are around 1.1 million dollars above the luxury tax", so the proposal was to change to KNOX.
BURKS is doing very well, and his return should be much higher.
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Post#16 » by mattao313 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:59 pm

One way defensive players are dead in the NBA just like traditional centers pass.

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Post#17 » by SamFlow » Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:45 pm

LSV wrote:
SamFlow wrote:I would not mind taking a swing on Matisse..... for burks maybe. Something on that level. I wouldn't give up THAT much to get him but I wouldn't mind trying him out.


But that does not fit with the initial idea "The Philadelphia 76ers are around 1.1 million dollars above the luxury tax", so the proposal was to change to KNOX.
BURKS is doing very well, and his return should be much higher.


Adding three players.

Kuminga
Wiseman
Matisse.

I'd love to see Kuminga bring that speed and athletisim

Wiseman, well, I'd take him if he didn't cost that much in a deal

Burks and Bey for Kuminga and Wiseman I think is reasonable. Burks or Bogdanavic.

Mattise for Knox is completely acceptable.
...

bey we have seen the tops and bottom of his play. That is the range for him. Defensively it's gonna be touch for him. Kuminga would be a better fit for a fast running team and better defensivley. Here he would have the freedom and playing time to figure it out.
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Re: Matisse Thybulle 

Post#18 » by Cowology » Sat Nov 26, 2022 5:50 pm

I kinda just wanna see how we look with everybody healthy. How do we look with each person in the correct role?

Probably a fantasy because somebody is always injured, but it's a lot right now. Let's maybe aim for 90% and then re-evaluate.

No sense reacting to fluid situations that may at least partially resolve themselves. At worst we're able to take inventory and prioritize based on both short & long term wants/needs.

Tldr; be patient.

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