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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#281 » by Psubs » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:01 am

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He’s my bust pick, to be honest. I just don’t see it.


Interesting. I am curious what you think is likely a bust about him. I could see him finishing a bit better inside but that will come with time and strength training. For a 19 YO to average 21 and 9 and 2 assists is a pretty impressive start, plus he had a great game against Michigan State which is typically a tough defensive team. I can see him rise up the draft like Keegan Murray and Trey Murphy did because he looks pretty advanced and has NBA size.


He’s really old for a freshman, and I just don’t see any burst. Scottie struggles with burst, but he’s so strong that it doesn’t matter as much— Miller doesn’t have that. Scottie’s handle is also pretty high, so you can dream on an improved handle to improve the first step a bit, whereas Miller’s handle’s already pretty good. To me, he’s Jabari Smith without anywhere near the defensive potential (which, to me, is the most exciting part about Jabari).

I think his burst plays into his struggles at the rim too, and I’m not sure that he’ll improve much there. Strength will help, but I don’t know if it’ll help enough.

I could be completely wrong, and if he’s actually a prodigious shooter then all of his limitations won’t really matter, but I wouldn’t pick him where he’s slated to go right now. He’ll carve out a role, I think, but I’m not seeing top-2 option with him. Again, I could be completely wrong, but that’s how I view him at the moment.


I guess he's a taller Aaron Nesmith right now. I guess his ceiling right now would be Glenn Rice.

Hmmmmm, maybe he's at least a slightly taller Caleb Houstan or a Cam Reddish?
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#282 » by Psubs » Sat Nov 26, 2022 7:07 am

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With the socks he looks like Keith VanHorn?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kyle-filipowski-1.html

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Geez, he looks like Dirk out there!

Charlotte and San Antonio could really use him.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#283 » by Kevin Willis » Sat Nov 26, 2022 2:53 pm

CanadaB-Ball wrote:
Dalek wrote:
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He’s my bust pick, to be honest. I just don’t see it.


Interesting. I am curious what you think is likely a bust about him. I could see him finishing a bit better inside but that will come with time and strength training. For a 19 YO to average 21 and 9 and 2 assists is a pretty impressive start, plus he had a great game against Michigan State which is typically a tough defensive team. I can see him rise up the draft like Keegan Murray and Trey Murphy did because he looks pretty advanced and has NBA size.


He’s really old for a freshman, and I just don’t see any burst. Scottie struggles with burst, but he’s so strong that it doesn’t matter as much— Miller doesn’t have that. Scottie’s handle is also pretty high, so you can dream on an improved handle to improve the first step a bit, whereas Miller’s handle’s already pretty good. To me, he’s Jabari Smith without anywhere near the defensive potential (which, to me, is the most exciting part about Jabari).

I think his burst plays into his struggles at the rim too, and I’m not sure that he’ll improve much there. Strength will help, but I don’t know if it’ll help enough.

I could be completely wrong, and if he’s actually a prodigious shooter then all of his limitations won’t really matter, but I wouldn’t pick him where he’s slated to go right now. He’ll carve out a role, I think, but I’m not seeing top-2 option with him. Again, I could be completely wrong, but that’s how I view him at the moment.


Agree he's a good player that might be ranked a little too high at the moment. Instead of him not being good at his pick, I can see his draft dropping as other players outshine him. This freshman class has come out so strong and are pretty young, they will push him down to an area where he will be a good pick. For instance GG Jackson is 17 and playing well, I think he goes higher.

Still Miller has enough skills to be a good player. He has good offensive skills and he's producing so far. A slightly lesser Jabari Parker should be around 10 in this draft class.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#284 » by Psubs » Sat Nov 26, 2022 4:31 pm

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Interesting. I am curious what you think is likely a bust about him. I could see him finishing a bit better inside but that will come with time and strength training. For a 19 YO to average 21 and 9 and 2 assists is a pretty impressive start, plus he had a great game against Michigan State which is typically a tough defensive team. I can see him rise up the draft like Keegan Murray and Trey Murphy did because he looks pretty advanced and has NBA size.


He’s really old for a freshman, and I just don’t see any burst. Scottie struggles with burst, but he’s so strong that it doesn’t matter as much— Miller doesn’t have that. Scottie’s handle is also pretty high, so you can dream on an improved handle to improve the first step a bit, whereas Miller’s handle’s already pretty good. To me, he’s Jabari Smith without anywhere near the defensive potential (which, to me, is the most exciting part about Jabari).

I think his burst plays into his struggles at the rim too, and I’m not sure that he’ll improve much there. Strength will help, but I don’t know if it’ll help enough.

I could be completely wrong, and if he’s actually a prodigious shooter then all of his limitations won’t really matter, but I wouldn’t pick him where he’s slated to go right now. He’ll carve out a role, I think, but I’m not seeing top-2 option with him. Again, I could be completely wrong, but that’s how I view him at the moment.


Agree he's a good player that might be ranked a little too high at the moment. Instead of him not being good at his pick, I can see his draft dropping as other players outshine him. This freshman class has come out so strong and are pretty young, they will push him down to an area where he will be a good pick. For instance GG Jackson is 17 and playing well, I think he goes higher.

Still Miller has enough skills to be a good player. He has good offensive skills and he's producing so far. A slightly lesser Jabari Parker should be around 10 in this draft class.


I agree with him being more like Keegan Murray, who was also older.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#285 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Nov 26, 2022 9:21 pm

Psubs wrote:
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With the socks he looks like Keith VanHorn?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kyle-filipowski-1.html

87.5% FT shooting.



Geez, he looks like Dirk out there!

Charlotte and San Antonio could really use him.


The fact that he's only 19 is mind boggling. He's so polished. I haven't studied his defense yet, but offensively this kid is elite. With so many defenders on our team it would be nice to get a guy like this. Run a super long boi lineup with Scottie at the 1, Pascal at the 2, Precious at the 3, Filipowski at the 4, and Koloko at the 5.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#286 » by Kevin Willis » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:07 pm

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With the socks he looks like Keith VanHorn?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kyle-filipowski-1.html

87.5% FT shooting.



Geez, he looks like Dirk out there!

Charlotte and San Antonio could really use him.


The fact that he's only 19 is mind boggling. He's so polished. I haven't studied his defense yet, but offensively this kid is elite. With so many defenders on our team it would be nice to get a guy like this. Run a super long boi lineup with Scottie at the 1, Pascal at the 2, Precious at the 3, Filipowski at the 4, and Koloko at the 5.


He might not be the best 7 footer on his team. We should calm down the excitement a little bit. He might not be top 5 C in this draft.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#287 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sat Nov 26, 2022 10:25 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
Psubs wrote:
With the socks he looks like Keith VanHorn?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kyle-filipowski-1.html

87.5% FT shooting.



Geez, he looks like Dirk out there!

Charlotte and San Antonio could really use him.


The fact that he's only 19 is mind boggling. He's so polished. I haven't studied his defense yet, but offensively this kid is elite. With so many defenders on our team it would be nice to get a guy like this. Run a super long boi lineup with Scottie at the 1, Pascal at the 2, Precious at the 3, Filipowski at the 4, and Koloko at the 5.


He might not be the best 7 footer on his team. We should calm down the excitement a little bit. He might not be top 5 C in this draft.


He's better than Lively. The only C's I'd make an argument for over him in this draft are Wemby and Ware.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#288 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Nov 27, 2022 12:54 am

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The fact that he's only 19 is mind boggling. He's so polished. I haven't studied his defense yet, but offensively this kid is elite. With so many defenders on our team it would be nice to get a guy like this. Run a super long boi lineup with Scottie at the 1, Pascal at the 2, Precious at the 3, Filipowski at the 4, and Koloko at the 5.


He might not be the best 7 footer on his team. We should calm down the excitement a little bit. He might not be top 5 C in this draft.


He's better than Lively. The only C's I'd make an argument for over him in this draft are Wemby and Ware.


Wow, we shall see - I like it. I would take that bet - Lively will be better.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#289 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:05 am

Kevin Willis wrote:
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He might not be the best 7 footer on his team. We should calm down the excitement a little bit. He might not be top 5 C in this draft.


He's better than Lively. The only C's I'd make an argument for over him in this draft are Wemby and Ware.


Wow, we shall see - I like it. I would take that bet - Lively will be better.


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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#290 » by Los_29 » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:14 am

Filipowski definitely looks better than Lively. Don’t think it’s particularly close either.
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Post#291 » by BoyzNTheHood » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:24 am

Los_29 wrote:Filipowski definitely looks better than Lively. Don’t think it’s particularly close either.


He's easily better, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. With that said, no one's ever been a sure thing. LeBron was the closest and there were still questions about him.
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Post#292 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun Nov 27, 2022 1:25 am

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If it was Canada, it would be different. Most have guns in America

Lol this wasn't a legal firearm, plus he altered the ID marks of the gun, probably by filing off the serial numbers. If he was a regular citizen he would likely be in jail or prison right now.


It wasn't his car, for all we know it wasn't his gun either and they can't pin it on him. That's y he's not in trouble
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#293 » by Kevin Willis » Sun Nov 27, 2022 2:06 am

Los_29 wrote:Filipowski definitely looks better than Lively. Don’t think it’s particularly close either.


Lively is coming back from injury and playing about half the minutes of Flip (16 - 27). He hasn't taken a 3 this year which is odd. That's why I say end of year / draft time, he's a talented kid and a bit of a unicorn.

But that's my opinion and I don't mind being wrong. Have seen too many videos / games showing his athleticism, shooting and defense.
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Post#294 » by JShuttlesworth » Sun Nov 27, 2022 3:18 am

Los_29 wrote:Filipowski definitely looks better than Lively. Don’t think it’s particularly close either.


Same with Kel'el, both he and Lively were over hyped

I think Filipowski gets selected before both of them
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion 

Post#295 » by PhilBlackson » Sun Nov 27, 2022 4:14 am

This draft seriously has so much potential...

Cissiko seems like a realistic pick but I could see Raps' management being in love with Anthony Black.They have faith they can in make guys better shooters plus Black (at least early in the college season) shooting has actually already been there and he fits that taller playmaker we've seem to been interested in with various different rumours of SGA, LaMelo, Simmons (before), Giddey, Dyson Daniels etc...



If he keeps it up, of course he can move into the top 10 but right now he's been mocked mid-1st (where we might end up due to health, tankathon actually has us taken him now lol). His style of play just caught my eye as someone I could see Danny Tolzman liking. Personally might be my favorite pick for us if we can be so lucky (obv assuming we don't have Tampa 2.0 type season which I STRONGLY doubt). I just hope somehow he stays under the radar.
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Post#296 » by dagger » Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:24 pm

Didn't watch Duke Purdue today but does anyone have a RECENT opinion about Zach Edey? He's been Big 10 player of the week, seemed to own Duke today from some of the commentary. I ask as much for Team Canada as for his NBA draft chances.
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Post#297 » by CanadaB-Ball » Sun Nov 27, 2022 10:30 pm

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Los_29 wrote:Filipowski definitely looks better than Lively. Don’t think it’s particularly close either.


Same with Kel'el, both he and Lively were over hyped

I think Filipowski gets selected before both of them


I’m not sure how anyone could make the argument that Kel’el is/was overhyped— he’s been great, and his potential is enormous.
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Post#298 » by NotMyKawhi » Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:05 am

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like him a lot too. my early mock

Wemb
Scoot
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whitmore(freak athlete)

George
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cason
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lenoard miller
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really deep draft great draft IMO top 5 all time
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Post#299 » by NotMyKawhi » Mon Nov 28, 2022 2:07 am

I just think people are really sleeping on the thompson bros

they are legit. they make this not just a top 2.
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Post#300 » by Psubs » Mon Nov 28, 2022 5:39 am

dagger wrote:Didn't watch Duke Purdue today but does anyone have a RECENT opinion about Zach Edey? He's been Big 10 player of the week, seemed to own Duke today from some of the commentary. I ask as much for Team Canada as for his NBA draft chances.


I guess he'd be a 7'4 Ivica Zubac who just dropped 30pts and 29 rebs.
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