Bojan Bogdanovic vs Alec Burks

[LSV]

While it looks like this is going to be a lost season, it really has to be an opportunity to spend time with the youngsters on the court.
This should be our last year in the DRAFT lottery, and we're already getting fully into the fight for the PLAY-OFFS for next season.

If at this moment I had to choose between keeping Bogdanovic or Burks for next season, I would take the second one (Burks), because it has a team option at half the price (10M against 20M), and it fits perfectly in the second unit.
With the first one (Bojan) could get another late first round and something else, and in the next FA we would have to try to find a level FORWARD to replace him. There will be money for it.

Regardless of what is achieved in the DRAFT, let's assume luck is VW with us, the roster could look something like this:

Cade / Ivey / FA / Wembanyama / Duren
Hayes / Burks / Bey / Stewart / Bagley III

It looks very good.

[buzzkilloton]

Trade em both

[Kalamazoo317]

Not much of a free agency class next offseason. I don't think we're going to get someone in free agency who'll be better than Bogie, especially if the plan is to make a competitive push next season.

Depends on the offers, of course, but I don't see an urgent need to move on from either of these guys. They're both solid rotational pieces that can help if we make a playoff push next year.

But if I had to choose for some reason, I'd take Bogie. He's more reliable and his price is plenty cheap.

[Manocad]

While it looks like this is going to be a lost season, it really has to be an opportunity to spend time with the youngsters on the court.
This should be our last year in the DRAFT lottery, and we're already getting fully into the fight for the PLAY-OFFS for next season.

If at this moment I had to choose between keeping Bogdanovic or Burks for next season, I would take the second one (Burks), because it has a team option at half the price (10M against 20M), and it fits perfectly in the second unit.
With the first one (Bojan) could get another late first round and something else, and in the next FA we would have to try to find a level FORWARD to replace him. There will be money for it.

Regardless of what is achieved in the DRAFT, let's assume luck is VW with us, the roster could look something like this:

Cade / Ivey / FA / Wembanyama / Duren
Hayes / Burks / Bey / Stewart / Bagley III

It looks very good.

I don't think you'd see a VW/Duren starting frontcourt from jump street; I think Stew has earned his starting spot, VW fits well with Bagley (just stick Bagley in the paint on offense and leave him there) and helps cover both his and Bey's defensive deficiencies, and VW's a rookie. And in that case, if Stew and Duren are starting then Bojan is fine in that lineup.

So I'd keep Bojan in the SF spot with Stew and Duren and have VW with Bagley, at least as a rookie. And yes, that would be a monster lineup IMO.

[MotownMadness]

Bogdanovic

[MotownMadness]

While it looks like this is going to be a lost season, it really has to be an opportunity to spend time with the youngsters on the court.
This should be our last year in the DRAFT lottery, and we're already getting fully into the fight for the PLAY-OFFS for next season.

If at this moment I had to choose between keeping Bogdanovic or Burks for next season, I would take the second one (Burks), because it has a team option at half the price (10M against 20M), and it fits perfectly in the second unit.
With the first one (Bojan) could get another late first round and something else, and in the next FA we would have to try to find a level FORWARD to replace him. There will be money for it.

Regardless of what is achieved in the DRAFT, let's assume luck is VW with us, the roster could look something like this:

Cade / Ivey / FA / Wembanyama / Duren
Hayes / Burks / Bey / Stewart / Bagley III

It looks very good.

I don't think you'd see a VW/Duren starting frontcourt from jump street; I think Stew has earned his starting spot, VW fits well with Bagley (just stick Bagley in the paint on offense and leave him there) and helps cover both his and Bey's defensive deficiencies, and VW's a rookie. And in that case, if Stew and Duren are starting then Bojan is fine in that lineup.

So I'd keep Bojan in the SF spot with Stew and Duren and have VW with Bagley, at least as a rookie. And yes, that would be a monster lineup IMO.

VW would start day 1

[bstein14]

If Bojan has more trade value, and we're keeping Bey... he likely makes more sense to trade if you're wanting to move one. That said, I wouldn't just trade him for a #27 draft pick that might never be a rotation player. Mid first round pick or we might as well keep him.

Evan Fournier from the Knicks would be interesting if the Knicks would give up enough draft assets to make it happen. Fournier isn't really playing well and makes a lot of money for them. $18.8 million next year and then a team option that will almost certainly get declined. They have up to 5 2023 first rounders but of course ours and the Hornets won't transfer over because we're both bad.

The Knicks have the Mavs top 10 protected 1st, the Wizards and Nuggets top 14 protected firsts. They were clearly trying to stockpile some picks for an all-in trade for a player like Mitchell I'm not sure they would be interested in Bojan or not.


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Beyond the Knicks, the Clippers, Lakers, Heat, Hawks, and Bulls are all struggling a bit offensively (bottom 10 in the league) and all looking towards the playoffs so any of those teams could for sure use an offensive flamethrower like Bojan. It's just a matter of what assets teams are willing to give up.

[Spider156]

While it looks like this is going to be a lost season, it really has to be an opportunity to spend time with the youngsters on the court.
This should be our last year in the DRAFT lottery, and we're already getting fully into the fight for the PLAY-OFFS for next season.

If at this moment I had to choose between keeping Bogdanovic or Burks for next season, I would take the second one (Burks), because it has a team option at half the price (10M against 20M), and it fits perfectly in the second unit.
With the first one (Bojan) could get another late first round and something else, and in the next FA we would have to try to find a level FORWARD to replace him. There will be money for it.

Regardless of what is achieved in the DRAFT, let's assume luck is VW with us, the roster could look something like this:

Cade / Ivey / FA / Wembanyama / Duren
Hayes / Burks / Bey / Stewart / Bagley III

It looks very good.

I don't think you'd see a VW/Duren starting frontcourt from jump street; I think Stew has earned his starting spot, VW fits well with Bagley (just stick Bagley in the paint on offense and leave him there) and helps cover both his and Bey's defensive deficiencies, and VW's a rookie. And in that case, if Stew and Duren are starting then Bojan is fine in that lineup.

So I'd keep Bojan in the SF spot with Stew and Duren and have VW with Bagley, at least as a rookie. And yes, that would be a monster lineup IMO.

Stewart would get traded before VW comes off the bench. That’s like saying Cade should come off the bench because he’s a rookie. He’s the first pick of the draft lol it’s Duren and Wenvenyama that’s a monster lineup and that really is unstoppable next to Cade and Ivey. I really hope the league gives us and the NBA this treat.

[Spider156]

To answer this question. Bojan should get traded because of his contract and age even though I love him and it wouldn’t be wrong to keep him. So it depends on the offer, if it’s a mid first round pick you take it or a future upgrade that needs a payday like Cameron Johnson, Grant Williams. I would just go for the first round pick unless it’s a rookie contract extension of someone we didn’t see coming. Burks imo should get extended. We should keep him because I feel like he’s got more time on his legs and he fits well if Bey slots into the PF role where Bojan is now.

[Manocad]

While it looks like this is going to be a lost season, it really has to be an opportunity to spend time with the youngsters on the court.
This should be our last year in the DRAFT lottery, and we're already getting fully into the fight for the PLAY-OFFS for next season.

If at this moment I had to choose between keeping Bogdanovic or Burks for next season, I would take the second one (Burks), because it has a team option at half the price (10M against 20M), and it fits perfectly in the second unit.
With the first one (Bojan) could get another late first round and something else, and in the next FA we would have to try to find a level FORWARD to replace him. There will be money for it.

Regardless of what is achieved in the DRAFT, let's assume luck is VW with us, the roster could look something like this:

Cade / Ivey / FA / Wembanyama / Duren
Hayes / Burks / Bey / Stewart / Bagley III

It looks very good.

I don't think you'd see a VW/Duren starting frontcourt from jump street; I think Stew has earned his starting spot, VW fits well with Bagley (just stick Bagley in the paint on offense and leave him there) and helps cover both his and Bey's defensive deficiencies, and VW's a rookie. And in that case, if Stew and Duren are starting then Bojan is fine in that lineup.

So I'd keep Bojan in the SF spot with Stew and Duren and have VW with Bagley, at least as a rookie. And yes, that would be a monster lineup IMO.

VW would start day 1

I'm fine with that. I just said I don't think you'd see him starting next to Duren.

[DBC10]

Hard to see VW not getting the start considering he'd be the number 1 pick and we need to see what we got out of him meshing with Cade and Ivey from the get go

That and he's projected to add at least hundreds of millions to a franchise's value (https://money.yahoo.com/teen-basketball-player-victor-wembanyama-194538573.html) Money talks, and it'll be unlikely he doesn't get the starting nod barring some absolute bad training camp or injuries. Fans will come from all corners of the nation to see him

That being said, I'd keep Bojan there if we do a VW Stew lineup along with our backcourt duo

[Manocad]

While it looks like this is going to be a lost season, it really has to be an opportunity to spend time with the youngsters on the court.
This should be our last year in the DRAFT lottery, and we're already getting fully into the fight for the PLAY-OFFS for next season.

If at this moment I had to choose between keeping Bogdanovic or Burks for next season, I would take the second one (Burks), because it has a team option at half the price (10M against 20M), and it fits perfectly in the second unit.
With the first one (Bojan) could get another late first round and something else, and in the next FA we would have to try to find a level FORWARD to replace him. There will be money for it.

Regardless of what is achieved in the DRAFT, let's assume luck is VW with us, the roster could look something like this:

Cade / Ivey / FA / Wembanyama / Duren
Hayes / Burks / Bey / Stewart / Bagley III

It looks very good.

I don't think you'd see a VW/Duren starting frontcourt from jump street; I think Stew has earned his starting spot, VW fits well with Bagley (just stick Bagley in the paint on offense and leave him there) and helps cover both his and Bey's defensive deficiencies, and VW's a rookie. And in that case, if Stew and Duren are starting then Bojan is fine in that lineup.

So I'd keep Bojan in the SF spot with Stew and Duren and have VW with Bagley, at least as a rookie. And yes, that would be a monster lineup IMO.

Stewart would get traded before VW comes off the bench. That’s like saying Cade should come off the bench because he’s a rookie. He’s the first pick of the draft lol it’s Duren and Wenvenyama that’s a monster lineup and that really is unstoppable next to Cade and Ivey. I really hope the league gives us and the NBA this treat.

No, that's not like saying Cade should come off the bench as a rookie. Cade was already better than anyone whose spot he took; he filled a void and was clearly drafted with the intention of him being the leader and face of the franchise. Getting VW now is not the same situation as when Cade was drafted and the team was Hayes, Bey, Stew and crap. In any case, I didn't say he shouldn't start; I said I don't think you'd see him starting with Duren right off the bat and gave reasons why.

And why would you trade Stew rather than just move him to the bench? I don't think he'd be happy about it and I don't think it's necessary, but that doesn't mean he'd have to be traded. If the team is built right you could have 10 guys all getting anywhere from 18-30 minutes a night; that's perfect. As I've said before, I personally don't put much stock in the whole "needs to start" thing other than Cade (leader, face of the franchise) and whoever you'd want going up against the other team's best players. The important part is making sure that the guys are all getting the minutes they need to develop and provide maximum contribution to the team. Maybe one night that means Stew plays a ton because playing high minutes defending well is best. Or maybe only one of Cade or Ivey is hot while the other is cold, etc.

[Manocad]

Hard to see VW not getting the start considering he'd be the number 1 pick and we need to see what we got out of him meshing with Cade and Ivey from the get go

That and he's projected to add at least hundreds of millions to a franchise's value (https://money.yahoo.com/teen-basketball-player-victor-wembanyama-194538573.html) Money talks, and it'll be unlikely he doesn't get the starting nod barring some absolute bad training camp or injuries. Fans will come from all corners of the nation to see him

That being said, I'd keep Bojan there if we do a VW Stew lineup along with our backcourt duo

For the sake of argument, he's going to add the value the second he's drafted and fans are going to come see him whether he's starting or not.

And a bad training camp is absolutely possible. Remember Darko? There's one and only one reason Darko didn't go #1--LeBron, period. 7 footer, great handle, could run the floor, post up, block shots, shoot from outside, was playing pro ball in Europe at 16...sound familiar? So, yeah, while VW looks like a pretty clear #1 pick and generational talent, the idea that he can't struggle once he's up against NBA players, and thus not start from Day 1, is not out of the realm of possibility.

[DBC10]

For the sake of argument, he's going to add the value the second he's drafted and fans are going to come see him whether he's starting or not.

When VW gets drafted he's going to be the face of the franchise on all current teams that do not have a true star. Even eclipsing Cade, as at worst they may have to share the limelight. A face of the franchise not starting with all the money and hype as the next KD/Lebron? Stranger things do happen but I don't see it

And a bad training camp is absolutely possible. Remember Darko? There's one and only one reason Darko didn't go #1--LeBron, period. 7 footer, great handle, could run the floor, post up, block shots, shoot from outside, was playing pro ball in Europe at 16...sound familiar? So, yeah, while VW looks like a pretty clear #1 pick and generational talent, the idea that he can't struggle once he's up against NBA players, and thus not start from Day 1, is not out of the realm of possibility.

Nobody is disputing what could go wrong that's without saying, but the current momentum and amount of scouting and playing games under the limelight has done VW more good than bad and it's sitting him up well even in more ways than Darko ever could. He's met every challenge they threw at him, whether it's playing on national TV and excelling or just maintain that brilliance in the Euro leagues. It reminds me way more of Lebron's high-school and national TV hype and how he handled it than any one of Darko's

We shall see

[Manocad]

For the sake of argument, he's going to add the value the second he's drafted and fans are going to come see him whether he's starting or not.

When VW gets drafted he's going to be the face of the franchise on all current teams that do not have a true star. Even eclipsing Cade, as at worst they may have to share the limelight. A face of the franchise not starting with all the money and hype as the next KD/Lebron? Stranger things do happen but I don't see it

And a bad training camp is absolutely possible. Remember Darko? There's one and only one reason Darko didn't go #1--LeBron, period. 7 footer, great handle, could run the floor, post up, block shots, shoot from outside, was playing pro ball in Europe at 16...sound familiar? So, yeah, while VW looks like a pretty clear #1 pick and generational talent, the idea that he can't struggle once he's up against NBA players, and thus not start from Day 1, is not out of the realm of possibility.

Nobody is disputing what could go wrong that's without saying, but the current momentum and amount of scouting and playing games under the limelight has done VW more good than bad and it's sitting him up well even in more ways than Darko ever could. He's met every challenge they threw at him, whether it's playing on national TV and excelling or just maintain that brilliance in the Euro leagues. It reminds me way more of Lebron's high-school and national TV hype and how he handled it than any one of Darko's

We shall see

If the Pistons are lucky enough to draft VW he wouldn't immediately become the face of the franchise unless he eclipses Cade's star power right out of the gate. Share the spotlight? Sure, but again, that's going to be dependent on his performance. If you remember the Darko years where Darko was drafted #2 on an already talented team, it's not like all the Pistons TV spots and commercials featuring Pistons players were suddenly predominantly Darko just because he was the #2 pick. On any other team that doesn't have a recent top draft pick/star? Sure, no argument there.

In any case, that's a tangential point to justify why it's a foregone conclusion that he'd start from Day 1. My point is only that I don't believe from an organizational standpoint, given the players the team has currently, it's a foregone conclusion regardless of how he performed after being drafted simply because he was the #1 pick. Comparing his situation to Cade's is not the same. Cade was drafted #1 with the clear expectation that he would be the starting PG, leader of the team, their biggest star, etc. And those were realistic expectations. If drafted by the Pistons VW could certainly become their biggest star but I doubt anyone in the Pistons organization, should they get the #1 pick, would be calling him and saying "Ok kid, we're taking you #1, you're going to be the leader and face of this franchise, starting from Day 1, and it's on your shoulders."

[bstein14]

VW is already way beyond Cade in star power. He's reportedly adding a half billion dollar value to whatever franchise drafts him. VW hype is going to continue the NBA is streaming every game he plays and he keeps coming up with brilliant games and jaw dropping highlights.

[Manocad]

VW is already way beyond Cade in star power. He's reportedly adding a half billion dollar value to whatever franchise drafts him. VW hype is going to continue the NBA is streaming every game he plays and he keeps coming up with brilliant games and jaw dropping highlights.

Which hasn't been disputed.

[440BB]

As I expect the Pistons to draft after VW is taken, I'll keep both Burks and Bojan.

They will prosper when the Pistons draft Scoot.

[Invictus88]

Why is this a thread? There is no vs. here.

They don't play the same position or compete for the same minutes. We have plenty of cap space to sign either or both if we wanted to go that route (we likely don't). Both are horrible defensively and would ideally be flipped for draft capital as neither are building blocks really.

Bojan is likely to net more value back but I think that's obvious too?

[DBC10]

If the Pistons are lucky enough to draft VW he wouldn't immediately become the face of the franchise unless he eclipses Cade's star power right out of the gate. Share the spotlight? Sure, but again, that's going to be dependent on his performance. If you remember the Darko years where Darko was drafted #2 on an already talented team, it's not like all the Pistons TV spots and commercials featuring Pistons players were suddenly predominantly Darko just because he was the #2 pick. On any other team that doesn't have a recent top draft pick/star? Sure, no argument there.

We'll see, if we draft him, there's no doubt the hype is palpable and at least will share whatever limelight with Cade even before truly playing. The money to market him would likely be the easiest ROI in Pistons draft history

And as for the Darko comparison. Darko came in here being the worst fit possible considering we already had our "stars" so to speak and had made the ECF prior to drafting him. Whatever honeymoon phase or PR bump Darko got was going to be deflated by our already contending team and it's strict focus on incumbent established stars. VW wouldn't get that kind of treatment here considering we're not remotely close to contention (ie no pressure) and have no real established stars at our frontcourt. There'd be 0 fit issues here with Vic in comparison to Darko

In any case, that's a tangential point to justify why it's a foregone conclusion that he'd start from Day 1. My point is only that I don't believe from an organizational standpoint, given the players the team has currently, it's a foregone conclusion regardless of how he performed after being drafted simply because he was the #1 pick. Comparing his situation to Cade's is not the same. Cade was drafted #1 with the clear expectation that he would be the starting PG, leader of the team, their biggest star, etc. And those were realistic expectations.

And VW would be coming in with the expectation that he's going to be their biggest star as well, and likely starting frontcourt member considering our frontcourt rotation isn't locked in place yet and up in the air depending on who plays well. Due to this ambiguity it makes sense to have VW as the starter as a still developing team at the expense of more complementary pieces like Bagley or lesser extent Stew with the goal of Duren supplanting both centers

If drafted by the Pistons VW could certainly become their biggest star but I doubt anyone in the Pistons organization, should they get the #1 pick, would be calling him and saying "Ok kid, we're taking you #1, you're going to be the leader and face of this franchise, starting from Day 1, and it's on your shoulders."

I don't believe anyone said he's going to be our savior and all burden is on him. Just that he's going to be coming in, taking likely the starting role over our current incumbent non-star frontcourt players and likely going to be marketed as the face of the franchise if not next to Cade as the new big two