Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[Dalvin]

Can we trade D'Lo for Pat Bev on Dec. 15? Or Rubio even if he's still out with the injury

[Wolveswin]

Can we trade D'Lo for Pat Bev on Dec. 15? Or Rubio even if he's still out with the injury

Beverley no. Wolves can’t re-acquire him until offseason. Rubio yes. But being injured who knows when and who comes back.

[shangrila]

We're stuck with KAT. The team won't have the balls to trade him.

So until he asks out...we're stuck with him. Although if we miss the playoffs this year? Maybe he will. He secured his bag so I doubt his loyalty is anywhere near as strong as it was previously.

[SO_MONEY]

We're stuck with KAT. The team won't have the balls to trade him.

So until he asks out...we're stuck with him. Although if we miss the playoffs this year? Maybe he will. He secured his bag so I doubt his loyalty is anywhere near as strong as it was previously.

The FO has to be incredibly tense. They are going to have to run through every possible scapegoat to make excuses only to put off the inevitable trade that exposes them for taking a massive, indefensible and undeniable loss. We are going to be a laughingstock but you can't exactly fire ownership and their anger over ruining their investment needs an outlet Total clown show likely to come.

[Klomp]

This is a line of thinking I've had previously... (note: ENTIRELY speculation)

Connelly has never been a huge fan of Towns as the leader of a franchise. But you can't just come into a franchise and trade the star player coming off a playoff season. So instead, you create an out by trading for a similar level talent at the same position. Even if it's a slight overpay, adding Gobert allows you to trade away Towns if the first season doesn't go perfectly. Draft picks get recouped and you are able to better mold this franchise you just took over into your own vision of building around Edwards, Gobert, McDaniels and other surrounding pieces.

[m2002brian]

This is a line of thinking I've had previously... (note: ENTIRELY speculation)

Connelly has never been a huge fan of Towns as the leader of a franchise. But you can't just come into a franchise and trade the star player coming off a playoff season. So instead, you create an out by trading for a similar level talent at the same position. Even if it's a slight overpay, adding Gobert allows you to trade away Towns if the first season doesn't go perfectly. Draft picks get recouped and you are able to better mold this franchise you just took over into your own vision of building around Edwards, Gobert, McDaniels and other surrounding pieces.

BINGO

[Klomp]

A few speculative packages...
New York: Randle, Quickley, tons of picks
Brooklyn: Simmons, more picks
Chicago: Ball, Williams, filler

[SO_MONEY]

This is a line of thinking I've had previously... (note: ENTIRELY speculation)

Connelly has never been a huge fan of Towns as the leader of a franchise. But you can't just come into a franchise and trade the star player coming off a playoff season. So instead, you create an out by trading for a similar level talent at the same position. Even if it's a slight overpay, adding Gobert allows you to trade away Towns if the first season doesn't go perfectly. Draft picks get recouped and you are able to better mold this franchise you just took over into your own vision of building around Edwards, Gobert, McDaniels and other surrounding pieces.

Tinfoil hat stuff.

I just think he made a massively bad trade at the urging of ownership, this was not a "slight overpay", this trade was of a reputationally damaging level of bad and completely ridiculous.

There were no other motives.

[shangrila]

This is a line of thinking I've had previously... (note: ENTIRELY speculation)

Connelly has never been a huge fan of Towns as the leader of a franchise. But you can't just come into a franchise and trade the star player coming off a playoff season. So instead, you create an out by trading for a similar level talent at the same position. Even if it's a slight overpay, adding Gobert allows you to trade away Towns if the first season doesn't go perfectly. Draft picks get recouped and you are able to better mold this franchise you just took over into your own vision of building around Edwards, Gobert, McDaniels and other surrounding pieces.

Tinfoil hat stuff.

I just think he made a massively bad trade at the urging of ownership, this was not a "slight overpay", this trade was of a reputationally damaging level of bad and completely ridiculous.

There were no other motives.

It’s got Arod/Lore, “new management needs to make a splash” written all over it.

I don’t even blame Connelly for it. I doubt he was keen to get bent over a barrel

[SO_MONEY]

This is a line of thinking I've had previously... (note: ENTIRELY speculation)

Connelly has never been a huge fan of Towns as the leader of a franchise. But you can't just come into a franchise and trade the star player coming off a playoff season. So instead, you create an out by trading for a similar level talent at the same position. Even if it's a slight overpay, adding Gobert allows you to trade away Towns if the first season doesn't go perfectly. Draft picks get recouped and you are able to better mold this franchise you just took over into your own vision of building around Edwards, Gobert, McDaniels and other surrounding pieces.

Tinfoil hat stuff.

I just think he made a massively bad trade at the urging of ownership, this was not a "slight overpay", this trade was of a reputationally damaging level of bad and completely ridiculous.

There were no other motives.

It’s got Arod/Lore, “new management needs to make a splash” written all over it.

I don’t even blame Connelly for it. I doubt he was keen to get bent over a barrel

I blame TC much less than where it likely belongs, but still, he went for the player he did, negotiated with the GM he did... he could have made a splash without this being the outcome ... man. There could have been a way out and forward.

[TimberKat]

Tinfoil hat stuff.

I just think he made a massively bad trade at the urging of ownership, this was not a "slight overpay", this trade was of a reputationally damaging level of bad and completely ridiculous.

There were no other motives.

It’s got Arod/Lore, “new management needs to make a splash” written all over it.

I don’t even blame Connelly for it. I doubt he was keen to get bent over a barrel

I blame TC much less than where it likely belongs, but still, he went for the player he did, negotiated with the GM he did... he could have made a splash without this being the outcome ... man. There could have been a way out and forward.

I think the trade can still work. Cleveland play with 2 or 3 bigs all the time and seem fine. I feel most of the issue is about Towns not in the right place. As an example: The Kuzma 3 at 8:45 is the summary of what's wrong with this team. Towns is supposed to be guarding Kuzma on the wing but don't know why he was standing behind Gobert as if guarding Gobert. As a GM/Coach, do you really think in terms of - "I can't trade for All Star Gobert because our star players don't know how to play with him even though it should work".

[SO_MONEY]

It’s got Arod/Lore, “new management needs to make a splash” written all over it.

I don’t even blame Connelly for it. I doubt he was keen to get bent over a barrel

I blame TC much less than where it likely belongs, but still, he went for the player he did, negotiated with the GM he did... he could have made a splash without this being the outcome ... man. There could have been a way out and forward.

I think the trade can still work. Cleveland play with 2 or 3 bigs all the time and seem fine. I feel most of the issue is about Towns not in the right place. As an example: The Kuzma 3 at 8:45 is the summary of what's wrong with this team. Towns is supposed to be guarding Kuzma on the wing but don't know why he was standing behind Gobert as if guarding Gobert. As a GM/Coach, do you really think in terms of - "I can't trade for All Star Gobert because our star players don't know how to play with him even though it should work".

You can keep hoping and wishing, I fault no one for that, but I am not holding my breath this play resolves itself. I think Gobert is an aging negative asset with salary factored in... given where we were we should have asked for multiple picks to take him... not given up 4+.

[m2002brian]

It’s got Arod/Lore, “new management needs to make a splash” written all over it.

I don’t even blame Connelly for it. I doubt he was keen to get bent over a barrel

I blame TC much less than where it likely belongs, but still, he went for the player he did, negotiated with the GM he did... he could have made a splash without this being the outcome ... man. There could have been a way out and forward.

I think the trade can still work. Cleveland play with 2 or 3 bigs all the time and seem fine. I feel most of the issue is about Towns not in the right place. As an example: The Kuzma 3 at 8:45 is the summary of what's wrong with this team. Towns is supposed to be guarding Kuzma on the wing but don't know why he was standing behind Gobert as if guarding Gobert. As a GM/Coach, do you really think in terms of - "I can't trade for All Star Gobert because our star players don't know how to play with him even though it should work".

This defense you speak of isn’t new and has nothing to do with Rudy. KAT is a blithering idiot, simple as that. Offense takes next to no IQ to get stats. As long as you have god given height and the skill to shoot, you’ll get buckets. But look at the game when it requires thought, situational breakdown. Takes bad shots at bad times, loses his cool at bad times, plows through defenders, will use that off arm to push off and you can see it coming, consistently leads the league in post up turnovers, is completely lost on defense FOR YEARS. None of it changes. It’s just the signs of a not so smart player. For years, years, not one season with Rudy, years, I have been wanting KAT traded. Not because I hate KAT, because I love the Timberwolves.

He’s like that hot chick that is so damn hot it’s hard to let go, but they just barely have Forest Gump beat upstairs. So many get enamored by the stats, the skills for the size, the talent. Sometimes all those things come with a dumb brain with an ill tempered personality.

Rasheed Wallace was ill tempered, but was smart as **** on the court. Towns is nowhere near Rasheed’s impact on winning.

[IceManBK1]

So with towns down for a month, will dlo grasp the opportunity and play at an all star level like in bklyn when levert went down. With extra touches available and the ball in his hands more. Will he be more productive and more efficient? It's his last chance to earn a big contract. Whether with this team or another. If you can't perform on the big stage then you'll forever be mediocre.

[TimberKat]

I blame TC much less than where it likely belongs, but still, he went for the player he did, negotiated with the GM he did... he could have made a splash without this being the outcome ... man. There could have been a way out and forward.

I think the trade can still work. Cleveland play with 2 or 3 bigs all the time and seem fine. I feel most of the issue is about Towns not in the right place. As an example: The Kuzma 3 at 8:45 is the summary of what's wrong with this team. Towns is supposed to be guarding Kuzma on the wing but don't know why he was standing behind Gobert as if guarding Gobert. As a GM/Coach, do you really think in terms of - "I can't trade for All Star Gobert because our star players don't know how to play with him even though it should work".

This defense you speak of isn’t new and has nothing to do with Rudy. KAT is a blithering idiot, simple as that. Offense takes next to no IQ to get stats. As long as you have god given height and the skill to shoot, you’ll get buckets. But look at the game when it requires thought, situational breakdown. Takes bad shots at bad times, loses his cool at bad times, plows through defenders, will use that off arm to push off and you can see it coming, consistently leads the league in post up turnovers, is completely lost on defense FOR YEARS. None of it changes. It’s just the signs of a not so smart player. For years, years, not one season with Rudy, years, I have been wanting KAT traded. Not because I hate KAT, because I love the Timberwolves.

He’s like that hot chick that is so damn hot it’s hard to let go, but they just barely have Forest Gump beat upstairs. So many get enamored by the stats, the skills for the size, the talent. Sometimes all those things come with a dumb brain with an ill tempered personality.

Rasheed Wallace was ill tempered, but was smart as **** on the court. Towns is nowhere near Rasheed’s impact on winning.

Yes, defense is like a box of chocolate with Towns.

[Wolves21]

How about a trade with the Nuggest for Jamal Murray. Don't know how willing they would be to move him but maybe a package around Russell & McDaniels. Letting Russell walk in the offseason would save them a ton of money as they have 90 plus tied up in Jokic,Gordon & Porter Jr. They get a good young cheap player in McDaniels to play the 3/4 and then could also open them up to trade Gordon for a PG if need be.

While the Wolves get a clear upgrade at PG who's just 25 and could be part of the core along side Edwards & Gobert.Plus with those guys as your Big 3 opens up for us to trade Towns for picks,young players and depth.

[Jamaaliver]

Hawks dfan here.

Who's most likely _or most desired by fans) to be moved out of Minnesota - Karl-Anthony or Rudy?



Would a Clint Capela & John Collins package interest you guys for Gobert & Taurean Prince?

[Mamba4Goat]

Hawks dfan here.

Who's most likely _or most desired by fans) to be moved out of Minnesota - Karl-Anthony or Rudy?



Would a Clint Capela & John Collins package interest you guys for Gobert & Taurean Prince?

Karl imo. If the Wolves end up blowing things up I’m not sure recreating the problem with different bigs (if Capela was to replace Gobert) and being potentially put into an awkward spot of benching John Collins or Capela would be the way. Would probably need at least a 3rd team that presents a reasonable PG upgrade or Dejounte coming from Atlanta.

[shrink]

Hawks dfan here.

Who's most likely _or most desired by fans) to be moved out of Minnesota - Karl-Anthony or Rudy?

Would a Clint Capela & John Collins package interest you guys for Gobert & Taurean Prince?

Karl imo. If the Wolves end up blowing things up I’m not sure recreating the problem with different bigs (if Capela was to replace Gobert) and being potentially put into an awkward spot of benching John Collins or Capela would be the way. Would probably need at least a 3rd team that presents a reasonable PG upgrade or Dejounte coming from Atlanta.

I would also add that Gobert won’t be traded for a year because Conley bet so heavily on him, and Towns CAN’T be traded for a year legally.

Also, the problem with the Wolves has not been Gobert or Towns. In most cases, our guards have struggled this year. The most likely candidate to be traded IMHO is still D’Angelo Russell, even though he has looked better in the last ten games.

[shangrila]

This is a line of thinking I've had previously... (note: ENTIRELY speculation)

Connelly has never been a huge fan of Towns as the leader of a franchise. But you can't just come into a franchise and trade the star player coming off a playoff season. So instead, you create an out by trading for a similar level talent at the same position. Even if it's a slight overpay, adding Gobert allows you to trade away Towns if the first season doesn't go perfectly. Draft picks get recouped and you are able to better mold this franchise you just took over into your own vision of building around Edwards, Gobert, McDaniels and other surrounding pieces.

Yeah, no.

The far more likely scenario is the Gobert trade was driven by Arod/Lore wanting to take a risk at a championship contender and everyone following their bosses because...well, they're the bosses. Even if they don't know what they're doing.

Realistically this team was probably always doomed, Gobert trade or not. There are core, fundamental issues with several of our main players that seems to be seeping into Edwards too. Without Gobert we might have had a better record but our ceiling was always capped