NBA 2022-23 Regular Season Thread Volume 1

[AirP.]

This feels a lot like the Morris situation last year, either they were way too cautious with the rehab (Morris talked about being ready to be back playing on social media weeks after the injury) or Miami's not wanting to put him on the court yet for some type of reason because when they finally green light him, he's back, until then they can keep looking at these minimum/2ways early on to have an idea if they can contribute if a 1 or more trades are done during the season. Once again, Miami needs to make moves this season to cut salary for next year to have a chance to get under the tax for next season, trading a large salary for expiring's next year doesn't accomplish that. It's getting somewhat complicated with the salaries which leads me to believe the FO already have one or more plans for this year and next to navigate the tax with the roster.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Current #1 team in the East: Celtics w/ 17-4 record

Their best statisticald players:
Jaylen Brown: 26.1 PPG, 6.5 Reb, 3.4 Ast, 50.7% FG%, 1.1 STL, 0.3 BLK (22/23 Salary: $28,741,071)
Jayson Tatum: 30.8 PPG, 7.7 Reb, 4.6 Ast, 48.1% FG%, 0.9 STL, 1.2 BLK (22/23 Salary: $30,351,780)

Our best statistical players:
Bam Adebayo: 20.5 PPG, 9.4 Reb, 3.2 Ast, 53.0% FG%, 1.0 STL, 0.8 BLK (22/23 Salary: $30,351,780)
Jimmy Butler: 20.9 PPG, 6.6 Reb, 6.1 Ast, 48.3% FG%, 1.8 STL, 0.2 BLK (22/23 Salary: $37,653,300)

Both team’s best players are the two highest paid players as well for each team respectively… which is what you want. Problem is that our best players combine for $68 mil and are way under performing in comparison to the Celtic’s $59 mil worth of best players.

Celtics’ Combined: 56.9 PPG, 14.2 Reb, 8.0 Ast, 2.0 STL, 1.5 BLK, $59mil

Heat’s Combined: 41.4 PPG, 16 Reb, 9.3 Ast, 2.8 STL, 1.0 BLK, $68mil

When looking at this from an ROI (return on investment) perspective, either Jimmy and Bam need to start earning those checks, or they better hope their supporting staff fills the gaps they are leaving. Either way, our best players aren’t currently worth their salaries.

Name every player in the league not on a rookie contract that are making what Bam makes or less that are undoubtedly better than him.

We operate different over here, it’s always been equal opportunity offense for better or worse, don’t let PPG fool you, our guys are worth their money and their impact on the game is elite.

Unfortunately we’re battling horrible roster construction right now.

[AirP.]

There is a light at the end of the tunnel for Victor Oladipo and a Heat team beset by injuries. Oladipo, who hasn’t played all season because of tendonosis in his nonsurgically repaired knee, has improved enough to practice fully with the team this week, though it was a non-contact practice on Tuesday in Boston.

“He’s making progress,” Spoelstra said. “I do not have a timeline. He’s on this trip for a reason, to continue to get good work but also get the connection piece and fellowship piece with our guys. That’s as important for him being out, being around the group.”

In September, Oladipo began suffering from left knee tendinosis, which is described as “a degeneration of the tendon’s collagen in response to chronic overuse. Even tiny movements, such as clicking a mouse, can cause tendinosis, when done repeatedly.”

His right knee, which has twice been surgically repaired, is apparently not an issue.

www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article261886475.html

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Let’s look at impact/importance to their respective teams, I’ll post the on/off numbers of each player for offense and defense:

Celtics offense:

Brown on: 118.9
Tatum on: 122.6 (both offenses would rank 1st)

Brown off: 122.4 (1st of 30)
Tatum off: 112.5 (14th of 30)

Brown net: -3.5
Tatum net: +10.1

Celtics defense:

Brown on: 113 (22nd out of 30)
Tatum on: 111 (13th out of 30)

Brown off: 106.1 (best defense in the league when he’s off the court)
Tatum off: 110.8

Brown net: -6.9
Tatum net: -0.2

Overall:

Brown net: -10.4
Tatum net: +9.9

Celtics operate much better overall with Brown off the floor, especially on defense.

Heat offense:

Bam on: 110.8
Jimmy on: 118.1 (2nd out of 30)

Bam off: 104.1 (30th out of 30)
Jimmy off: 101 (30th out of 30)

Bam net: +6.7
Jimmy net: +17.1

So as we see here if either Jimmy or Bam step off the court this offense falls to league worst levels, that’s a massive swing.

Heat defense:

Bam on: 107.5 (2nd out of 30)
Jimmy on: 115.4 (28th out of 30)

Bam off: 110.9 (13th out of 30)
Jimmy off: 104.7 (1st out of 30)

Bam net: +3.4
Jimmy net: -10.7

Overall:

Bam net: +10.2
Jimmy net: +6.4

Ranked on impact:

1. Bam: +10.4
2. Tatum: +9.9
3. Jimmy: +6.4
4. Brown: -10.4

Bam has a massive overall impact on both sides of the ball, Tatums impact offensively is huge, Jimmys offensive impact is so good that it outweighs the defensive impact being horrible, and the Celtics just flat out suck when brown is on the court compared to him being off on both side.

Bam and Jimmy are holding their own, they just don’t have as much PPG as Tatum and Brown (Jimmy and Bam don’t even attempt the most shots on our team unfortunately)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

There is a light at the end of the tunnel for Victor Oladipo and a Heat team beset by injuries. Oladipo, who hasn’t played all season because of tendonosis in his nonsurgically repaired knee, has improved enough to practice fully with the team this week, though it was a non-contact practice on Tuesday in Boston.

“He’s making progress,” Spoelstra said. “I do not have a timeline. He’s on this trip for a reason, to continue to get good work but also get the connection piece and fellowship piece with our guys. That’s as important for him being out, being around the group.”

In September, Oladipo began suffering from left knee tendinosis, which is described as “a degeneration of the tendon’s collagen in response to chronic overuse. Even tiny movements, such as clicking a mouse, can cause tendinosis, when done repeatedly.”

His right knee, which has twice been surgically repaired, is apparently not an issue.

www.miamiherald.com/sports/nba/miami-heat/article261886475.html

Schedule eases up quite a bit when we get back from Memphis, I expect to see him shortly after. This bench needs someone that can Impact both sides of the ball

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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The truth is all slowly coming to light and it’s beautiful. It seems a lot of frustration was directed in the wrong place

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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The true Victor.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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The truth is all slowly coming to light and it’s beautiful. It seems a lot of frustration was directed in the wrong place

Not sure how reliable this source is…. But let’s assume it’s reliable. This quote right here about Bam is very telling!

“Not everyone is wired to just hijack an offense if it’s not built for them”

While I appreciate that he puts the team first and does what is asked of him, that is a double edged sword, and an alpha would also pressure the issue more. Wade, for example, navigated that line much better. Lebron was the type of alpha that it was his way or the highway. Per your allegations, Spo is holding Bam back and thus, to me, shows how Bam is acting like a beta, conforming more than he should. If he had that much confidence in himself, he would have taken that control already. I just hope that he finally is feeling that confidence to be an alpha in our organization.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Let’s look at impact/importance to their respective teams, I’ll post the on/off numbers of each player for offense and defense:

Celtics offense:

Brown on: 118.9
Tatum on: 122.6 (both offenses would rank 1st)

Brown off: 122.4 (1st of 30)
Tatum off: 112.5 (14th of 30)

Brown net: -3.5
Tatum net: +10.1

Celtics defense:

Brown on: 113 (22nd out of 30)
Tatum on: 111 (13th out of 30)

Brown off: 106.1 (best defense in the league when he’s off the court)
Tatum off: 110.8

Brown net: -6.9
Tatum net: -0.2

Overall:

Brown net: -10.4
Tatum net: +9.9

Celtics operate much better overall with Brown off the floor, especially on defense.

Heat offense:

Bam on: 110.8
Jimmy on: 118.1 (2nd out of 30)

Bam off: 104.1 (30th out of 30)
Jimmy off: 101 (30th out of 30)

Bam net: +6.7
Jimmy net: +17.1

So as we see here if either Jimmy or Bam step off the court this offense falls to league worst levels, that’s a massive swing.

Heat defense:

Bam on: 107.5 (2nd out of 30)
Jimmy on: 115.4 (28th out of 30)

Bam off: 110.9 (13th out of 30)
Jimmy off: 104.7 (1st out of 30)

Bam net: +3.4
Jimmy net: -10.7

Overall:

Bam net: +10.2
Jimmy net: +6.4

Ranked on impact:

1. Bam: +10.4
2. Tatum: +9.9
3. Jimmy: +6.4
4. Brown: -10.4

Bam has a massive overall impact on both sides of the ball, Tatums impact offensively is huge, Jimmys offensive impact is so good that it outweighs the defensive impact being horrible, and the Celtics just flat out suck when brown is on the court compared to him being off on both side.

Bam and Jimmy are holding their own, they just don’t have as much PPG as Tatum and Brown (Jimmy and Bam don’t even attempt the most shots on our team unfortunately)

Great data! It shows how this version of Bam is valuable.

Bam’s impact is definitely a positive, but that takes into account his recent surge on offense. If he can maintain this trend, then he is most definitely giving us great return on investment. My concern is if he reverts to beta Bam, then those numbers aren’t as favorable for him, and our ROI for our top two players is a problem. For our $68mil to be a good return on investment, we need Alpha Bam and Playoff Jimmy to make a regular visit, especially come end of season/playoffs.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Let’s look at impact/importance to their respective teams, I’ll post the on/off numbers of each player for offense and defense:

Celtics offense:

Brown on: 118.9
Tatum on: 122.6 (both offenses would rank 1st)

Brown off: 122.4 (1st of 30)
Tatum off: 112.5 (14th of 30)

Brown net: -3.5
Tatum net: +10.1

Celtics defense:

Brown on: 113 (22nd out of 30)
Tatum on: 111 (13th out of 30)

Brown off: 106.1 (best defense in the league when he’s off the court)
Tatum off: 110.8

Brown net: -6.9
Tatum net: -0.2

Overall:

Brown net: -10.4
Tatum net: +9.9

Celtics operate much better overall with Brown off the floor, especially on defense.

Heat offense:

Bam on: 110.8
Jimmy on: 118.1 (2nd out of 30)

Bam off: 104.1 (30th out of 30)
Jimmy off: 101 (30th out of 30)

Bam net: +6.7
Jimmy net: +17.1

So as we see here if either Jimmy or Bam step off the court this offense falls to league worst levels, that’s a massive swing.

Heat defense:

Bam on: 107.5 (2nd out of 30)
Jimmy on: 115.4 (28th out of 30)

Bam off: 110.9 (13th out of 30)
Jimmy off: 104.7 (1st out of 30)

Bam net: +3.4
Jimmy net: -10.7

Overall:

Bam net: +10.2
Jimmy net: +6.4

Ranked on impact:

1. Bam: +10.4
2. Tatum: +9.9
3. Jimmy: +6.4
4. Brown: -10.4

Bam has a massive overall impact on both sides of the ball, Tatums impact offensively is huge, Jimmys offensive impact is so good that it outweighs the defensive impact being horrible, and the Celtics just flat out suck when brown is on the court compared to him being off on both side.

Bam and Jimmy are holding their own, they just don’t have as much PPG as Tatum and Brown (Jimmy and Bam don’t even attempt the most shots on our team unfortunately)

Great data! It shows how this version of Bam is valuable.

Bam’s impact is definitely a positive, but that takes into account his recent surge on offense. If he can maintain this trend, then he is most definitely giving us great return on investment. My concern is if he reverts to beta Bam, then those numbers aren’t as favorable for him, and our ROI for our top two players is a problem. For our $68mil to be a good return on investment, we need Alpha Bam and Playoff Jimmy to make a regular visit, especially come end of season/playoffs.

FWIW Miami offense with Bam his 4 years as a starter:

2023:

Bam on: 110.8
Bam off: 104.1
Net: +6.7

2022:

Bam on: 113.1
Bam off: 111.2
Net: +1.9

2021:

Bam on: 110.2
Bam off: 106.9
Net: +3.3

2020:

Bam on: 112.6
Bam off: 106.4
Net: +6.2

It’s about in line with what it’s always been but I’d be curious to see how much better it would be if we didn’t have some of our main “shooters” kind of slumping and didn’t have roster construction issues

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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The truth is all slowly coming to light and it’s beautiful. It seems a lot of frustration was directed in the wrong place

Not sure how reliable this source is…. But let’s assume it’s reliable. This quote right here about Bam is very telling!

“Not everyone is wired to just hijack an offense if it’s not built for them”

While I appreciate that he puts the team first and does what is asked of him, that is a double edged sword, and an alpha would also pressure the issue more. Wade, for example, navigated that line much better. Lebron was the type of alpha that it was his way or the highway. Per your allegations, Spo is holding Bam back and thus, to me, shows how Bam is acting like a beta, conforming more than he should. If he had that much confidence in himself, he would have taken that control already. I just hope that he finally is feeling that confidence to be an alpha in our organization.

Not sure how much more you can do in this situation. You butt heads and voice your concerns but if you take it much further than that things will start to get toxic. Let’s hope Spo sees what we’re all seeing right now and finally comes around.

Unfortunately Bam is no LeBron or Wade lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

ML your ROI seems to be based on PPG and unfortunately Jimmy and Bam aren’t going to meet your requirements in this system and/or with Tyler leading the team in shot attempts.

Now if Spo built his offense around Jimmy shooting 21 shots like Tatum and Bam shooting 20 like Brown I think it would be great.

Obviously it’s not as simple as this but for comparison sake:

Tatum 30.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA (1.47 points per shot)
Jimmy 20.9 PPG on 13.5 FGA (1.55 points per shot)

Brown 26.1 PPG on 19.4 FGA (1.35 points per shot)
Bam 20.5 PPG on 15.0 FGA (1.37 points per shot)

They need the attempts, Herro leads the team at 15.4 FGA a game.

Herro 18.1 PPG on 15.4 FGA (1.18 points per shot)

Celtics top 5 in FGA:

Tatum - 20.9
Brown - 19.4
Brogdon - 10
Smart - 9.3
Horford - 7.8

Miami top 5 in FGA:

Herro - 15.4
Bam - 15.0
Jimmy - 13.5
Strus - 13.0
Lowry - 10.9

HUGE difference in shot distribution

[Flash4thewin]

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The truth is all slowly coming to light and it’s beautiful. It seems a lot of frustration was directed in the wrong place

Not sure how reliable this source is…. But let’s assume it’s reliable. This quote right here about Bam is very telling!

“Not everyone is wired to just hijack an offense if it’s not built for them”

While I appreciate that he puts the team first and does what is asked of him, that is a double edged sword, and an alpha would also pressure the issue more. Wade, for example, navigated that line much better. Lebron was the type of alpha that it was his way or the highway. Per your allegations, Spo is holding Bam back and thus, to me, shows how Bam is acting like a beta, conforming more than he should. If he had that much confidence in himself, he would have taken that control already. I just hope that he finally is feeling that confidence to be an alpha in our organization.

Not sure how much more you can do in this situation. You butt heads and voice your concerns but if you take it much further than that things will start to get toxic. Let’s hope Spo sees what we’re all seeing right now and finally comes around.

Unfortunately Bam is no LeBron or Wade lol

Part of the problem is that currently we are not even a .500 team. We are desperate for wins. I like how Herro with his actions basically said Bleep you to Spo and won us a game. Thats when Spo went out the next day and said no one can win a game etc and how disappointed he was with Herro and his play even thought he won a game for us. Its a mess.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Not sure how reliable this source is…. But let’s assume it’s reliable. This quote right here about Bam is very telling!

“Not everyone is wired to just hijack an offense if it’s not built for them”

While I appreciate that he puts the team first and does what is asked of him, that is a double edged sword, and an alpha would also pressure the issue more. Wade, for example, navigated that line much better. Lebron was the type of alpha that it was his way or the highway. Per your allegations, Spo is holding Bam back and thus, to me, shows how Bam is acting like a beta, conforming more than he should. If he had that much confidence in himself, he would have taken that control already. I just hope that he finally is feeling that confidence to be an alpha in our organization.

Not sure how much more you can do in this situation. You butt heads and voice your concerns but if you take it much further than that things will start to get toxic. Let’s hope Spo sees what we’re all seeing right now and finally comes around.

Unfortunately Bam is no LeBron or Wade lol

Part of the problem is that currently we are not even a .500 team. We are desperate for wins. I like how Herro with his actions basically said Bleep you to Spo and won us a game. Thats when Spo went out the next day and said no one can win a game etc and how disappointed he was with Herro and his play even thought he won a game for us. Its a mess.

Pretty sure Spo was mad at Herro after the kings loss in Sac

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[MiamiLoyal926]

ML your ROI seems to be based on PPG and unfortunately Jimmy and Bam aren’t going to meet your requirements in this system and/or with Tyler leading the team in shot attempts.

Now if Spo built his offense around Jimmy shooting 21 shots like Tatum and Bam shooting 20 like Brown I think it would be great.

Obviously it’s not as simple as this but for comparison sake:

Tatum 30.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA (1.47 points per shot)
Jimmy 20.9 PPG on 13.5 FGA (1.55 points per shot)

Brown 26.1 PPG on 19.4 FGA (1.35 points per shot)
Bam 20.5 PPG on 15.0 FGA (1.37 points per shot)

They need the attempts, Herro leads the team at 15.4 FGA a game.

Herro 18.1 PPG on 15.4 FGA (1.18 points per shot)

Celtics top 5 in FGA:

Tatum - 20.9
Brown - 19.4
Brogdon - 10
Smart - 9.3
Horford - 7.8

Miami top 5 in FGA:

Herro - 15.4
Bam - 15.0
Jimmy - 13.5
Strus - 13.0
Lowry - 10.9

HUGE difference in shot distribution

Good catch with the FGA… definitely a stat worth noting that tells part of the story as to why they have lower PPG.

[carnageta]

So Bam finishes the month of November averaging 22.5ppg - highest scoring average month of his career. Need him to keep this same level of aggression moving forward. No reason whatsoever why he shouldn't average at least 21ppg over the course of this entire season.

[Hallstar]

ML your ROI seems to be based on PPG and unfortunately Jimmy and Bam aren’t going to meet your requirements in this system and/or with Tyler leading the team in shot attempts.

Now if Spo built his offense around Jimmy shooting 21 shots like Tatum and Bam shooting 20 like Brown I think it would be great.

Obviously it’s not as simple as this but for comparison sake:

Tatum 30.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA (1.47 points per shot)
Jimmy 20.9 PPG on 13.5 FGA (1.55 points per shot)

Brown 26.1 PPG on 19.4 FGA (1.35 points per shot)
Bam 20.5 PPG on 15.0 FGA (1.37 points per shot)

They need the attempts, Herro leads the team at 15.4 FGA a game.

Herro 18.1 PPG on 15.4 FGA (1.18 points per shot)

Celtics top 5 in FGA:

Tatum - 20.9
Brown - 19.4
Brogdon - 10
Smart - 9.3
Horford - 7.8

Miami top 5 in FGA:

Herro - 15.4
Bam - 15.0
Jimmy - 13.5
Strus - 13.0
Lowry - 10.9

HUGE difference in shot distribution

to be fair, this is skewed by the couple games post ankle.

[al bondiga]

ML your ROI seems to be based on PPG and unfortunately Jimmy and Bam aren’t going to meet your requirements in this system and/or with Tyler leading the team in shot attempts.

Now if Spo built his offense around Jimmy shooting 21 shots like Tatum and Bam shooting 20 like Brown I think it would be great.

Obviously it’s not as simple as this but for comparison sake:

Tatum 30.8 PPG on 20.9 FGA (1.47 points per shot)
Jimmy 20.9 PPG on 13.5 FGA (1.55 points per shot)

Brown 26.1 PPG on 19.4 FGA (1.35 points per shot)
Bam 20.5 PPG on 15.0 FGA (1.37 points per shot)

They need the attempts, Herro leads the team at 15.4 FGA a game.

Herro 18.1 PPG on 15.4 FGA (1.18 points per shot)

Celtics top 5 in FGA:

Tatum - 20.9
Brown - 19.4
Brogdon - 10
Smart - 9.3
Horford - 7.8

Miami top 5 in FGA:

Herro - 15.4
Bam - 15.0
Jimmy - 13.5
Strus - 13.0
Lowry - 10.9

HUGE difference in shot distribution

Good catch with the FGA… definitely a stat worth noting that tells part of the story as to why they have lower PPG.

fga... great stat!!

[MettaWorldPanda]

I can’t believe we were running 42 year old UD out against the Celtics last night. For real feel bad for some our players who are killing themselves on a nightly basis trying to salvage this abortion of a roster this front office put together. When Oladipo comes back what does that give us another SG to put at PF?