Bojan possible trade ideas

[DET_Athletics]

As the season goes on, the only trade I think that makes sense is to the sun's. Trade Bojan, Burks and Noel for saric, shamet, Craig, crowder and 2 first round picks.Sun's get the shooting and rim protection they need to make a very deep playoff run and we get draft capital. Plus Shamet only has one year of his contract that is fully guarantee moving forward.

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[theBigLip]

Didn't his desire for extension scare LAL and PHX off reportedly?

Didn’t hear this one.

[theBigLip]

Westbrook + mad 2nd's (or a future 1st if possible. perhaps protected) + a few small expiring non-rotation types

for

Hayes + Burks + Bojan + Bagley

If Hayes and Bagley put together a decent amount of solid games, LAL might want to try to contend this way.
We could buyout GOATBrook too so he could re-sign with LAL.

We would have 2nd's or a future 1st along with nearly $40m extra in cap space.

I doubt the Pistons would irl and I'm just about sure that LAL fans on this board would say no.

I don't get it. What does this do for the Pistons? They don't need "extra" cap space so what's the point?

We can always use extra cap space.

[theBigLip]

Reasons to trade him.

#1. To get a return of assets that will serve us better in the long therm than having him here will.

#2. To open up a starting spot for a younger guy.

#3. To give more shots to young guys like Cade, Ivey, etc

#4. It almost certainly ensure we're a bottom 3 team this year and will have a 14% chance of landing VW.

Reasons to keep him.

#1. No team offers a significant enough of a package that helps us longer term to compel us to make the trade.

#2. We've already lost a ton the past 3 seasons and its starting to wear on the fanbase and players.

#3. Having him out there on the court actually helps with young player development and player morale.

Good summary

[theBigLip]

Bogdonovich might get us a late first. Adding Burks/Noel might solidify the package. None of us know the offers that Weaver is receiving, but if he gets FRP offers, might as well do it. Second rounders? Not worth it.

[Kalamazoo317]

If the plan is still to make a push to be competitive next season, I think it makes sense to hang onto our reasonably priced vets unless someone wants to overpay. Late first rounders don't move the needle, IMO.

[Manocad]

#2. We've already lost a ton the past 3 seasons and its starting to wear on the fanbase and players.

Good summary

I'm not buying that one. There is nothing to suggest that's true. Not the attendance (89.3% of capacity so far this season) and not the attitudes/body language of the players. That looks like projection IMO.

[Manocad]

If the plan is still to make a push to be competitive next season, I think it makes sense to hang onto our reasonably priced vets unless someone wants to overpay. Late first rounders don't move the needle, IMO.

Yep.

If it's true that rookies are always going to struggle, what's achieved by trading away all the vets with any value for more draft picks? Like I always say, show me an NBA champion made up solely of players 23 and under. The average age of an NBA championship team is 28.2 years and around here that's "too old, doesn't fit the timeline." That being said, I personally have no issue with trading vets of value for equal value in draft picks. But I understand that means the team may be 4-5 years from competing because the average age is 22-23, and don't sit here bitching about how it's taking too long.

In today's NBA that strategy will never work. You're simply not going to get an entire team to stick together for 6-7 years. And as you lose some young guys after their rookie contracts are up and they want to go somewhere else to get paid more, go to a contender, go to a bigger market, whatever, what do you do? Fill those gaps with FA vets.

[bstein14]

#2. We've already lost a ton the past 3 seasons and its starting to wear on the fanbase and players.

Good summary

I'm not buying that one. There is nothing to suggest that's true. Not the attendance (89.3% of capacity so far this season) and not the attitudes/body language of the players. That looks like projection IMO.

Obviously fans are tired of losing.... have you seen this message board? Of course you'll get a few guys who are more excited about a chance at VW than they are upset about losing but its still starting to wear on fans... not just the past 3 years but its been nearly 15 years since we've won a playoff game now.

As far as players go, only Stew really looks angry, upset, unhappy with the losses. You can see it out there on the court when his teammates don't defend... you can see it in his post game interviews. Some of the other young players are sadly getting comfortable with losing... which I don't think its a good thing. Sure its a job for them but you want guys that hate to lose and are super competitive you don't want players who just going into it thinking we're going to be bad so who cares if my man gets by me.

[Manocad]

I'm not buying that one. There is nothing to suggest that's true. Not the attendance (89.3% of capacity so far this season) and not the attitudes/body language of the players. That looks like projection IMO.

Obviously fans are tired of losing.... have you seen this message board? Of course you'll get a few guys who are more excited about a chance at VW than they are upset about losing but its still starting to wear on fans... not just the past 3 years but its been nearly 15 years since we've won a playoff game now.

As far as players go, only Stew really looks angry, upset, unhappy with the losses. You can see it out there on the court when his teammates don't defend... you can see it in his post game interviews. Some of the other young players are sadly getting comfortable with losing... which I don't think its a good thing. Sure its a job for them but you want guys that hate to lose and are super competitive you don't want players who just going into it thinking we're going to be bad so who cares if my man gets by me.

This message board in no way, shape or form represents most fans, especially those who go to the games. And that's really what we're talking about here in the gist of fan satisfaction having an impact on organizational decisions.

Yep, Stew does get mad when his teammates don't defend/put in effort. You know where else that happens? In every sport everywhere, and even more so on highly competitive teams where every win is valuable.

I get the whole culture thing; but simply throwing that logic out there doesn't mean that's the reality of the attitudes of the players. And don't mistake acceptance of a situation while making the best of it with "being comfortable with losing." Are the players supposed to throw tantrums in press conferences after losing games to team with more talent, more experience and mismatch advantages?

[breezypeezy]

Burkes and Bojan, even Noels are all steady depth pieces that can contribute, im not super motivated to move on from any of them unless as mentioned earlier someones super overpaying.

Id rather see some of the garbage swept out like MacGruder, Joseph, and any other non excellent shooters sandbagging around. We all can see the defense is garbage so if noone is shooting well they are contributing a fat zero here. Its gotta be contributions on one side of the ball at least. Problem is we have half a roster full of people who can neither shoot or defend. Those are the guys that need tickets out of town.
Burkes and Bojan contribute shooting, Noels front court D, thats better than half our guys that do neither well.
Id keep them.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'd definitely rather move McGruder or Joseph than Burkes and Bojan. That said, I think they've all been nice vet presences that are actively helping the young guys develop. Just seeing Bojan interact with Hayes tonight really cemented that for me.

[JackTalkThai]

You absolutely try and trade Bojan but you aren’t going to let him go at a discount. He’s having a career year. He’s extended beyond this season, so he’s not just a couple month rental. His value will never be higher.

Fact of the matter is, Bojan doesn’t project to be a roster piece when the Pistons become a winning team and for all of his offensive brilliance, he’s a below average defender on a team full of below average defenders. Buy low, sell high. It’s a pretty simple concept but the challenge is knowing what’s low and what’s high. I’d be willing to bet (someone else’s house) that BB is at his career peak season as we speak. The time is now, or soon. If it were me, I’d trade him for a young elite defender with size.

Get on it Trade Weaver.

[bstein14]

A great game from Bojan tonight, but Bojan has slowed down a bit after his early scorching start... in part because he was getting doubled like crazy for a while when all the injuries hit the team. It's kind of like Jerami Grant's 1st year in Detroit... he started out as a 25 PPG scorer for the first 10 games of the season and then the defensive schemes clearly changed and he was the main focus in the scouting reports and getting doubled a ton.

Don't get me wrong, Bojan has an incredible offensive skillet to get his shot but throughout his career he likely hasn't seen a ton of double teams and hasn't had to do a ton of shot creating for teammates so its certainly a role he also needs a bit of work on and getting used to how things operate being the man on the team... especially while Cade is down and out.

[Manocad]

You absolutely try and trade Bojan but you aren’t going to let him go at a discount. He’s having a career year. He’s extended beyond this season, so he’s not just a couple month rental. His value will never be higher.

Fact of the matter is, Bojan doesn’t project to be a roster piece when the Pistons become a winning team and for all of his offensive brilliance, he’s a below average defender on a team full of below average defenders. Buy low, sell high. It’s a pretty simple concept but the challenge is knowing what’s low and what’s high. I’d be willing to bet (someone else’s house) that BB is at his career peak season as we speak. The time is now, or soon. If it were me, I’d trade him for a young elite defender with size.

Get on it Trade Weaver.

Buy low and sell high on a guy who's under contract for $20 million? How does that work? Like get $25 million of value in return?