If you could re do the Cade, Green and Mobley draft would you go differently

[TheLand13]

Im not picking a big who can’t be a star on offense over two potential star perimeter players who can shoot, score and create on offense.

What’s Mobley’s ceiling Jaren Jackson Jr.?

You’re taking Jaren Jackson Jr. over two likely 25ppg guards?

Jaren Jackson Jr? Mobley's ceiling?

You might as well just outright state you're trolling at this point.

He also said (unironically) that Paul Reed is one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA.

Probably the best part about all of this is that he thinks a 25 PPG player is automatically more valuable than a generational defensive player who has showcased a lot of offensive potential.

Jaren Jackson Jr is his ceiling. That's just... an unbelievably stupid statement to make.

[tooler]

Take a drink every time someone says ceiling in this thread.

[76ciology]

Jaren Jackson Jr? Mobley's ceiling?

You might as well just outright state you're trolling at this point.

He also said (unironically) that Paul Reed is one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA.

Probably the best part about all of this is that he thinks a 25 PPG player is automatically more valuable than a generational defensive player who has showcased a lot of offensive potential.

Jaren Jackson Jr is his ceiling. That's just... an unbelievably stupid statement to make.

Look at how long ive been here.

Ive seen it before.

Let’s just bring up this topic after 3 years and see how Cade and Jaden’s career panned out compared to Mobley.

If im wrong, i’ll admit it ive made mistakes before and learned from it. I dont mind adding another one and learning from it again.

[tooler]

Imo in today's NBA, 2 way wings who can create for themselves AND for others are the most valuable. Especially in the playoffs. For that reason, I would still take Cade #1.

Is Cade a decent defender? Not trying to attack you, genuinely curious. First I've heard him referred to as a two way wing.

[mcfly1204]

Imo in today's NBA, 2 way wings who can create for themselves AND for others are the most valuable. Especially in the playoffs. For that reason, I would still take Cade #1.

Is Cade a decent defender? Not trying to attack you, genuinely curious. First I've heard him referred to as a two way wing.

By those standards, everyone is a 2 way player... except Trae Young, obviously.

[Mr Loggins]

He also said (unironically) that Paul Reed is one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA.

Probably the best part about all of this is that he thinks a 25 PPG player is automatically more valuable than a generational defensive player who has showcased a lot of offensive potential.

Jaren Jackson Jr is his ceiling. That's just... an unbelievably stupid statement to make.

Look at how long ive been here.

Ive seen it before.

age and wisdom don’t go hand in hand….

[chuck_wagon44]

Green is the worst of the 3. By far.

My order would be:

1. Mobley
2. Cade
3. Barnes
4. Green
5. Suggs

[reanimator]

This thread has been done 1000x and we are barely into year 2. Cade, Mobley, Barnes, Wagner, Green.

[Roger Murdock]

Cade has the most valuable ‘archetype’ but is the worst player at fulfilling it

Mobley might serve a ‘less important role’ but will be the best player in the NBA at fulfilling it. Cade will be like the 9th-12th best engine in the league if he pans out like he’s supposed to. That’s more replaceable.

[orlando_joe]

franz should get respect take time check out his nov splits and not a bad defender a 6-10 wing

[babyjax13]

1) Cade
2) Mobley
3) Barnes
4) Green

[Time for Change]

Honestly the whole top of the draft class has been a disappointment this year. Last year it looked loaded with future all-star caliber players, this year no one has taken a big leap forward, something you look for in future franchise players. Mobley still looks like he will be an all-star eventually, but the rest of the bunch have shown little to no progression since last season.

Barnes and Cade look worse than they did at the end of last season. Kuminga has been overshadowed by Wiseman’s catastrophic failure but he’s been absolutely terrible too. Suggs has shown improvement, but that’s not saying much given how bad his rookie year was. I’d probably draft Franz second after Mobley at this point.

[big-shot-ROB]

1. People here are talking about JJJr like we were talking about JJ Hickson. Just go back 2 years to see some of the threads about him before claiming what Evan will become.

2. Green is definetely a scorer, but a highly inefficient at that and displays losing basketball tendencies.

3. Cade is a floor raiser, doubt he has the shooting and athleticism to be a first option on a championship team.

4. The same can be said about Evan + no one has won a championship with a 1st option as a big the last 10 years. Even if Mobley has Gobert-like defensive potential he still can't be your best player.

Then, given that none of them project to be actual 1st options to compete for a ring, we're then ranking them as possible 2nd options. Of those, only 2 display potential at fullfiling a 2A-B role (think Klay, Lowry, Middleton, Davis, Irving), and one will be better than the other one at his role-specific tasks, therefore :

1. Mobley
2. Cade

Then you're talking about 3rd bananas or elite starting role players (think Draymond, Bosh, Brook Lopez, Love, Siakam):

3a. Barnes
3b. Wagner

I can't actually rank Green cause he looks like on of those players that will never be a good 1st option but you just can't tell if he would be able to turn into a proper 2 banana; just too far into the future to see how he'll handle the ego downgrade or how much teams will try to actually pursue him as a 1st option before giving up)

[facothomas22]

1. Evan Mobley - He's a 3rd option on a borderline Championship team. He still need to develop on offense, however his defense does look really good.

2. Cade Cunningham - He is shooting the ball poorly for what ever reason. 28% from 3 and 41% field goal is simply not very good. Also it looks he will be out for a significant period of time due injury, which is also not good. He is a great passer, so there's that.

3. Scottie Barnes - I was hoping that we see a jump in his scoring out when Pascal Siakam was out with injury, but that simply hasn't been the case. He has actually be inefficient from the field this season than last season and hasn't became that much of a better 3pt shooter from last year. I still like Scottie Barnes ,but his lack development is starting to be a real concern.

4. Franz Wagner - He has scored almost 20 points per game. However he's doing that on 31% from the 3pt line. He's also a limited defender. Maybe he could a borderline all star if he becomes a really good 3pt shooter

5. Jalen Green - He's inefficent scorer who often times takes bad shots. He also plays no defense, which is really disappointing. Green can still be a all star caliber player one day, however he has long ways to go before he gets to that point and there's a good he simply will never get there.

[hippesthippo]

If I had to, the main difference is dropping Green and Suggs down a few pegs and raising up Barnes and Franz. Cade is stlll the archetype every team is looking for and we haven't seen enough games to prove otherwise. Mobley could certainly develop into a KG/TD/AD type of big, but I'm not so sure this year. His defense is outstanding, but he has Jarrett Allen making life easier on that end and we've yet to see any kind of real leap on offense. I'm not the biggest Green fan, but his athleticism and skill still give him a higher upside than Franz even if Franz is currently the better player.

Cade
Mobley
Barnes
Green
Franz

[Exp0sed]

Mobley and it's not close at all..
I can't think of anyone but hopeful Pistons fans picking Cade first

that doesn't mean that Mobley will 100% be better than the rest, their careers are still young and it's certainly possible for all of these to be better, but picking rn every GM in the league will take Mobley

all the "wings that can create" stuff in regards to Green is fine in theory but what he's shown thus far is so far off what Mobley has shown, I honestly can't see the rationale behind it, his floor is still a bust while Mobley's floor is probably a fringe all-star

personally i think Mobley ceiling is higher too, but even if one thinks for some reason Jalen has more upside because of position\playstyle etc, no way that negates the difference in floors

investing 3-4 years in a guy, still not being sure what will come of him and ending up having to cough up RJ Barret contracts (or Jaylen Brown when it works) - is a bad position for a team to be in

not to mention the time, money and energy the organization dumps into development and ofc playing time - that's a highly valuble resource in development that teams basically waste on high lottery picks that end up being busts or medioce

to clarify, i'm not saying that Jalen or Cade will be busts, just that that floor still exists for them and it needs to be accounted for if you do a redraft rn

[JujitsuFlip]

Green is a low efficiency chucker (not only shooting/scoring wise but ball handling/play making wise too) who is a turnstile on defense... No thanks.

[HotelVitale]

Cade has the most valuable ‘archetype’ but is the worst player at fulfilling it

Mobley might serve a ‘less important role’ but will be the best player in the NBA at fulfilling it. Cade will be like the 9th-12th best engine in the league if he pans out like he’s supposed to. That’s more replaceable.

I like your first point here but not the homer twisting you end up doing with it. First even assuming that Cade's ceiling is just the '9th-12th best engine in the league,' that would make him like the 20th best player in the league. If Mobley is only a very very good switchable role player he's not likely the 20th best player.

You might still say that 'replaceability' is different than pure top-player trade value, but the specific niche Mobley could easily be the best player at in the NBA isn't something that every team MUST have. Not all roles are equal, so the replaceability doesn't matter in the way you're claiming. Like Mikal Bridges is the best 3D player in the league, and 3D players are extremely useful; but he's not more valuable than someone like Jaylen Brown or D Garland or D Mitchell, right?

[Godymas]

1. Mobley
2. Green
3. Barnes
4. Franz
5. Cade

[tooler]

Then you're talking about 3rd bananas or elite starting role players (think Draymond, Bosh, Brook Lopez, Love, Siakam):

3a. Barnes
3b. Wagner

I appreciate the comparison of Franz Wagner to Bosh, Love, and Siakam, but if you call those guys role players (even with the words "elite" and "starting" before the term) then that term has no meaning and these desperate "superstar or role player?" discussions are even more absurd.

4. Franz Wagner - He has scored almost 20 points per game. However he's doing that on 31% from the 3pt line. He's also a limited defender. Maybe he could a borderline all star if he becomes a really good 3pt shooter

I'm happy to stay out of this discussion, but thinking of Franz as a limited defender is uninformed. He moves his feet, has quick hands, and keeps his hands up without fouling. No, he's not the next Kawhi Leonard, but it's the same thing with the silly labeling process we have around here. There's a wide gulf between Kawhi and limited defender.

I agree with your overall assessment though. Very perceptive. He had a rough start shooting the 3 because they moved him from spot ups in the corner last year off the ball to pull ups at the top of the arc as the primary ball handler. He's already improving on that end and shot 38% in the month of November. All with a ligament tear in his hand, hah. Despite what ceiling chasers think, shooting improvement is never guaranteed, but I'll take his 86% from the free throw line as confidence that he'll eventually nail that 3 point shot.