Around The League 2022-2023 season

[GelbeWand09]

Haliburton last 3 games: 60 points, 40 assists, 0 turnovers

I just can't stop watching that guy.

It's just mindblowing how smart he is.

And you add fact they nailed Mathurin while only being bad for one , single season.

That team is one SF/PF or C away ( could have been Ayton) away from 50 wins seasons.

Unlike many bad young teams who are only interesting due novelity of players , Pacers are interesting because they are young- and good.

Sacramento just makes so many bad choices. I actually think Murray was a bad pick too. He's just so vanilla.

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He got a lot of the same weaknesses, Jabari got. No playmaking/passing & even less abilitiy to get by anyone & less defense. So far he looks more like a Cam Johnson like player than a 2nd or 3rd potion. Which is still pretty valuable.

[Skybox]

Haliburton last 3 games: 60 points, 40 assists, 0 turnovers

I just can't stop watching that guy.

It's just mindblowing how smart he is.

And you add fact they nailed Mathurin while only being bad for one , single season.

That team is one SF/PF or C away ( could have been Ayton) away from 50 wins seasons.

Unlike many bad young teams who are only interesting due novelity of players , Pacers are interesting because they are young- and good.

Sacramento just makes so many bad choices. I actually think Murray was a bad pick too. He's just so vanilla.

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They accidentally made a good choice in Haliburton...but they rectified it quickly.

[pepe1991]

I just can't stop watching that guy.

It's just mindblowing how smart he is.

And you add fact they nailed Mathurin while only being bad for one , single season.

That team is one SF/PF or C away ( could have been Ayton) away from 50 wins seasons.

Unlike many bad young teams who are only interesting due novelity of players , Pacers are interesting because they are young- and good.

Sacramento just makes so many bad choices. I actually think Murray was a bad pick too. He's just so vanilla.

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They accidentally made a good choice in Haliburton...but they rectified it quickly.

Tbh they 100% need Sabonis. They just way, way overpayed for that trade. Should have traded Fox instad.

Ofc Pacers front office would not agree upon that tade, but hey.

[Skybox]

Sacramento just makes so many bad choices. I actually think Murray was a bad pick too. He's just so vanilla.

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They accidentally made a good choice in Haliburton...but they rectified it quickly.

Tbh they 100% need Sabonis. They just way, way overpayed for that trade. Should have traded Fox instad.

Ofc Pacers front office would not agree upon that tade, but hey.

I figure that was discussed but, despite his primary role and numbers, Fox didn't have the perceived value at the time. I liked Hali more than Fox since day one.

[jonbob17]

The Spurs and Pistons are a combined 3-17 in their last 20. I doubt we see Cade again this year. The race to the bottom is underway.

[jonbob17]

They accidentally made a good choice in Haliburton...but they rectified it quickly.

Tbh they 100% need Sabonis. They just way, way overpayed for that trade. Should have traded Fox instad.

Ofc Pacers front office would not agree upon that tade, but hey.

I figure that was discussed but, despite his primary role and numbers, Fox didn't have the perceived value at the time. I liked Hali more than Fox since day one.

The Kings look alright at the moment. I'd much rather have Haliburton, but Sabonis has looked pretty good there. They stole Huerter. He looks for real. I mean a lottery protected first. Surely we could have got in on that action. He's kind of exactly what we need.

They are desperate to make the playoffs and that will be their undoing.

[Skybox]

Tbh they 100% need Sabonis. They just way, way overpayed for that trade. Should have traded Fox instad.

Ofc Pacers front office would not agree upon that tade, but hey.

I figure that was discussed but, despite his primary role and numbers, Fox didn't have the perceived value at the time. I liked Hali more than Fox since day one.

The Kings look alright at the moment. I'd much rather have Haliburton, but Sabonis has looked pretty good there. They stole Huerter. He looks for real. I mean a lottery protected first. Surely we could have got in on that action. He's kind of exactly what we need.

They are desperate to make the playoffs and that will be their undoing.

Huerter was sooo gettable…I did call that one and wanted him jacking 3’s in ORL. Good move by SAC.

[basketballRob]

Vuc and Fournier were holding back AG. His TS is currently 66.5%.

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Vuc and Fournier were holding back AG. His TS is currently 66.5%.

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so OFF...it's all about Jokic making others efficient. Jokic is the kind of teammate that gets his teammates big raises and if another team is fooled, they'll regret the overpay. Similar to Denver Broncos running game (in the past), no matter who they plugged in, he was a threat to lead the league in rushing - due to Coach Shanahan's (Sr.) blocking schemes.

Although...kudos to AG for falling in line and making the most of it.

[jonbob17]

Vuc and Fournier were holding back AG. His TS is currently 66.5%.

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so OFF...it's all about Jokic making others efficient. Jokic is the kind of teammate that gets his teammates big raises and if another team is fooled, they'll regret the overpay. Similar to Denver Broncos running game (in the past), no matter who they plugged in, he was a threat to lead the league in rushing - due to Coach Shanahan's (Sr.) blocking schemes.

Although...kudos to AG for falling in line and making the most of it.

The problem was that we asked Gordon to be our #1, or at least be a creator, and it is has always been obvious that he is more of a 4th best player on a good team. He's accepted his role and done well. Now I don't know that he is suddenly a 39% 3 point shooter that's probably a mirage, but the efficiency he's shown in Denver is what separates good players from bad, and yah i am sure there is a Jokic effect.

Gordon never had a FG% over 47% in Orlando and averaged 44.7%, and he has been at 50%, 52%, 60% in denver

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Vuc and Fournier were holding back AG. His TS is currently 66.5%.

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so OFF...it's all about Jokic making others efficient. Jokic is the kind of teammate that gets his teammates big raises and if another team is fooled, they'll regret the overpay. Similar to Denver Broncos running game (in the past), no matter who they plugged in, he was a threat to lead the league in rushing - due to Coach Shanahan's (Sr.) blocking schemes.

Although...kudos to AG for falling in line and making the most of it.

The problem was that we asked Gordon to be our #1, or at least be a creator, and it is always been obvious that he is more of a 4th best player on a good team. He's accepted his role and done well. Now I don't know that he is suddenly a 39% 3 point shooter that's probably a mirage, but the efficiency he's shown in Denver is what separates good players from bad, and yah i am sure there is a Jokic effect.

Gordon never had a FG% over 47% in Orlando, and he has been 50, 52, 60 in denver

Based on the summer and pre-draft workout videos...nearly everyone in the league is capable of shooting at least a decent 3pt% when they are wide open and can set themselves...Luka, Jokic, Simmons(in previous years) produce great shots for mediocre teammates. I really hope when Franz & Paolo get a little support and consistency in the roster, they could have the same effect.

[drsd]

The Spurs and Pistons are a combined 3-17 in their last 20. I doubt we see Cade again this year. The race to the bottom is underway.

It might be tough for Orlando to find 3 wins over the next ten games.


Sat, 3 Dec @Cleveland
Sun, 4 Dec @Toronto
Tue, 6 Dec Milwaukee
Thu, 8 Dec LA
Sat, 10 Dec Toronto
Sun, 11 Dec Toronto
Thu, 15 Dec Atlanta
Sat, 17 Dec @Boston
Sun, 18 Dec @Boston
Tue, 20 Dec @Atlanta


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[Skybox]

Horford extended for 2 yrs x $10m...shooting 48% from 3, making all the smart plays on both ends, will happily give minutes to Time Lord soon...BOS looks solid!

[jonbob17]

so OFF...it's all about Jokic making others efficient. Jokic is the kind of teammate that gets his teammates big raises and if another team is fooled, they'll regret the overpay. Similar to Denver Broncos running game (in the past), no matter who they plugged in, he was a threat to lead the league in rushing - due to Coach Shanahan's (Sr.) blocking schemes.

Although...kudos to AG for falling in line and making the most of it.

The problem was that we asked Gordon to be our #1, or at least be a creator, and it is always been obvious that he is more of a 4th best player on a good team. He's accepted his role and done well. Now I don't know that he is suddenly a 39% 3 point shooter that's probably a mirage, but the efficiency he's shown in Denver is what separates good players from bad, and yah i am sure there is a Jokic effect.

Gordon never had a FG% over 47% in Orlando, and he has been 50, 52, 60 in denver

Based on the summer and pre-draft workout videos...nearly everyone in the league is capable of shooting at least a decent 3pt% when they are wide open and can set themselves...Luka, Jokic, Simmons(in previous years) produce great shots for mediocre teammates. I really hope when Franz & Paolo get a little support and consistency in the roster, they could have the same effect.

Open game 3s and gym are still pretty different..but it does make a difference. Spencer Dinwiddie is another in 5 seasons in Brooklyn he was 41% FG and 32% 3 ppt. Dallas 48%FG with 40% from 3

Doncic and Jokic surely get their guys open looks, and of course Steph curry, the most dense gravity of all, not the passing but just pulling defenders all over the court. That's what worries me about guys like Poole and probably Wiggins. If they were to switch teams how many more of their shots are getting contested.

[Skybox]

The problem was that we asked Gordon to be our #1, or at least be a creator, and it is always been obvious that he is more of a 4th best player on a good team. He's accepted his role and done well. Now I don't know that he is suddenly a 39% 3 point shooter that's probably a mirage, but the efficiency he's shown in Denver is what separates good players from bad, and yah i am sure there is a Jokic effect.

Gordon never had a FG% over 47% in Orlando, and he has been 50, 52, 60 in denver

Based on the summer and pre-draft workout videos...nearly everyone in the league is capable of shooting at least a decent 3pt% when they are wide open and can set themselves...Luka, Jokic, Simmons(in previous years) produce great shots for mediocre teammates. I really hope when Franz & Paolo get a little support and consistency in the roster, they could have the same effect.

Open game 3s and gym are still pretty different..but it does make a difference. Spencer Dinwiddie is another in 5 seasons in Brooklyn he was 41% FG and 32% 3 ppt. Dallas 48%FG with 40% from 3

Doncic and Jokic surely get their guys open looks, and of course Steph curry, the most dense gravity of all, not the passing but just pulling defenders all over the court. That's what worries me about guys like Poole and probably Wiggins. If they were to switch teams how many more of their shots are getting contested.

Absolutely, Luka is best example ever...a handful of non-shooters are now shooters because of his gravity. Guys don't get to the NBA, for the most part, without being able to shoot a basketball...it's the movement, quick release, etc that separates them at the upper levels. Especially in recent years, regardless of size, these kids have been shooting 3's (at least in practice) from birth.

[pepe1991]

Aaron Gordon shot chart on team where he isn't allow to do bulls*** and pretend he is Paul George




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Aaron Gordon on team that does not know how to say no to mediocre player that is trying things he can't even make at practice.

On the Nuggets
61% of shots taken inside 10 feet, 28% are threes. Only 11% of shots are mid range.

On Orlando Magic:
45% shots taken inside 10 feet, 31% threes. 24% shots are mid range.



Over span of a season, on 800 shots taken, it means he went from shooting, 200 mid range jumpers ( at just awful accuracy) a year to 88.
In other words, great team, and great coaching, one that does not empowers delusions due draft stock, delited from his existence 120 bad shots a year.
How much his role changed? On Magic he had 100 or more dunks -once. Normally he would have 70 dunks over 70-80-ish games of a season.
On Nuggets this year in 18 games alone he has 44 dunks. On Nuggets last year he had 130 dunks. In season where he played equal amount of min for both Magic and Nuggets ( 25) he had 19 dunks on Magic and 33 on Nuggets.
They just know his strenghts ( finishing around rim, being super athletic, being target man in open floor transition, some missmatch postups ) and limit his weaknesses ( decision making, ballhandling, mid range, pullups ).

Magic always empowered his weaknesses and glorified them, and he didn't want to play to his strenghts. Lose -lose situation it was.


This also goes for Vuc as well. Vuc flat out does NOT shoot mid range jumpers at all any more. And ofc, his TS% went from mediocre 54% to 57%.

Better teams know how to say no to their players. Poorly runned teams empower primadonna behavior on and off the court .



I really hate this about majority of fans in general. They don't understand context. Bad teams stay bad because they empower bad behavior and celebrate usless counting stats. Good teams are good because players know their roles and they are not allowed to play to their weaknesses. And fans still can't understand that "role player on great team" could easly average +20 ( Jeremy Grant example) on bad team. That doesn't make him "bad on good team" or "great on bad team" , it just means he has green light to jack enough shots to get some arbitrary numbers that are only important in minds of fans who judge players based on PPG, RPG & APG. Ignoring literally context of how those numbers were made.

[thelead]

Aaron Gordon shot chart on team where he isn't allow to do bulls*** and pretend he is Paul George




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Aaron Gordon on team that does not know how to say no to mediocre player that is trying things he can't even make at practice.

On the Nuggets
61% of shots taken inside 10 feet, 28% are threes. Only 11% of shots are mid range.

On Orlando Magic:
45% shots taken inside 10 feet, 31% threes. 24% shots are mid range.



Over span of a season, on 800 shots taken, it means he went from shooting, 200 mid range jumpers ( at just awful accuracy) a year to 88.
In other words, great team, and great coaching, one that does not empowers delusions due draft stock, delited from his existence 120 bad shots a year.
How much his role changed? On Magic he had 100 or more dunks -once. Normally he would have 70 dunks over 70-80-ish games of a season.
On Nuggets this year in 18 games alone he has 44 dunks. On Nuggets last year he had 130 dunks. In season where he played equal amount of min for both Magic and Nuggets ( 25) he had 19 dunks on Magic and 33 on Nuggets.
They just know his strenghts ( finishing around rim, being super athletic, being target man in open floor transition, some missmatch postups ) and limit his weaknesses ( decision making, ballhandling, mid range, pullups ).

Magic always empowered his weaknesses and glorified them, and he didn't want to play to his strenghts. Lose -lose situation it was.


This also goes for Vuc as well. Vuc flat out does NOT shoot mid range jumpers at all any more. And ofc, his TS% went from mediocre 54% to 57%.

Better teams know how to say no to their players. Poorly runned teams empower primadonna behavior on and off the court .



I really hate this about majority of fans in general. They don't understand context. Bad teams stay bad because they empower bad behavior and celebrate usless counting stats. Good teams are good because players know their roles and they are not allowed to play to their weaknesses. And fans still can't understand that "role player on great team" could easly average +20 ( Jeremy Grant example) on bad team. That doesn't make him "bad on good team" or "great on bad team" , it just means he has green light to jack enough shots to get some arbitrary numbers that are only important in minds of fans who judge players based on PPG, RPG & APG. Ignoring literally context of how those numbers were made.

Your points are valid but your condescending tone toward fans sucks. However, to not mention AG playing with the best passing big man, possibly ever, when mentioning his improved efficiency is a travesty

[pepe1991]

Aaron Gordon shot chart on team where he isn't allow to do bulls*** and pretend he is Paul George




vs



Aaron Gordon on team that does not know how to say no to mediocre player that is trying things he can't even make at practice.

On the Nuggets
61% of shots taken inside 10 feet, 28% are threes. Only 11% of shots are mid range.

On Orlando Magic:
45% shots taken inside 10 feet, 31% threes. 24% shots are mid range.



Over span of a season, on 800 shots taken, it means he went from shooting, 200 mid range jumpers ( at just awful accuracy) a year to 88.
In other words, great team, and great coaching, one that does not empowers delusions due draft stock, delited from his existence 120 bad shots a year.
How much his role changed? On Magic he had 100 or more dunks -once. Normally he would have 70 dunks over 70-80-ish games of a season.
On Nuggets this year in 18 games alone he has 44 dunks. On Nuggets last year he had 130 dunks. In season where he played equal amount of min for both Magic and Nuggets ( 25) he had 19 dunks on Magic and 33 on Nuggets.
They just know his strenghts ( finishing around rim, being super athletic, being target man in open floor transition, some missmatch postups ) and limit his weaknesses ( decision making, ballhandling, mid range, pullups ).

Magic always empowered his weaknesses and glorified them, and he didn't want to play to his strenghts. Lose -lose situation it was.


This also goes for Vuc as well. Vuc flat out does NOT shoot mid range jumpers at all any more. And ofc, his TS% went from mediocre 54% to 57%.

Better teams know how to say no to their players. Poorly runned teams empower primadonna behavior on and off the court .



I really hate this about majority of fans in general. They don't understand context. Bad teams stay bad because they empower bad behavior and celebrate usless counting stats. Good teams are good because players know their roles and they are not allowed to play to their weaknesses. And fans still can't understand that "role player on great team" could easly average +20 ( Jeremy Grant example) on bad team. That doesn't make him "bad on good team" or "great on bad team" , it just means he has green light to jack enough shots to get some arbitrary numbers that are only important in minds of fans who judge players based on PPG, RPG & APG. Ignoring literally context of how those numbers were made.

Your points are valid but your condescending tone toward fans sucks. However, to not mention AG playing with the best passing big man, possibly ever, when mentioning his improved efficiency is a travesty

Funs kind a do suck, because they don't understand sport they watch.
When Magic had Gordon same fans were encouraging him to take bad shots and kept pretending Gordon is "point forward".
He averaged 3,7 assists on 1,9 turnovers and people supported it.
Now that mediocre ( by nba skills ) part of his game is also delited out of existence. So he averages 2,4 apg on 1,3 assists.
His usage went from 25% at a peak of Kawhi- Gordon delusion to- 20% on Nuggets.
We have same pattern of behavior toward Banchero and Franz now. Where fans pretend those two are some exponentional playmakers just because they highjack offense for personal gains ( Franz is way better for team when he is cutter, Banchero mainly only cares for his own looks when he gets the ball, and when he makes passes they tend to be very simplistic & telegraphed, that's why they average 20 ppg and team has 4th worst offense , despite Wendell and Bol having efficienc offensive numbers as well. it's very clear something is off with equation where 4/5 starters have big numbers, yet cumulative product is straight up bad).

However, to not mention AG playing with the best passing big man, possibly ever, when mentioning his improved efficiency is a travesty

I firgured that "point" is so obvious that it's usless to even bring it up. It's so obvious that even SA Smith or Skip Bayless would figure it by himself. ( media clowns ).

[GelbeWand09]

I see this shot chart and have to think of his midrange fadaway and I immediately get a cold shiver down my spine.

[Rainwater]

It will always amaze me that the magic built their team around two guys in AG and Vuc who are basically role players and Evan who doesn't even get playing time anymore.