FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022 - Group Stage

[Fairview4Life]

Most vocal teams about lgtbi, human rights (including women wich btw are human you know) before and during the tourney?

Denmark and Germany.

End of their stage group
both out.

the later with a lets say................not so squeaky clean goal allowed to the japanise by var.


mmmmmmmmmmm

:eek1:

Lot of butthurt in this post lmao

Japan goal was clean AF thanks to VAR. VAR has down wonders for soccer. Years ago with no VAR, Japan probably would have been screwed as refs had a tendency to give the benefit of the doubt to privileged western nations.

Except England, who everyone hates.

[Stannis]

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[clyde21]

Most vocal teams about lgtbi, human rights (including women wich btw are human you know) before and during the tourney?

Denmark and Germany.

End of their stage group
both out.

the later with a lets say................not so squeaky clean goal allowed to the japanise by var.


mmmmmmmmmmm

lmao...why are you even trying to say here with this post?

[Mamba81p]

you have to be joking to think spain tanked.

if that was so, those goals would have only happened in the last 5 minutes once they were sure about the other game.
not in the friggin 15 first minutes of the second half, when they were out of the world cup for 20 minutes.

anyway,
morroco right now is a much more dangerous team than croacia, croatia is old and slow, morocco is quick and phisical....yes just the type of team spain has had problems with for the last......20 years.

half joking. They didn't put any effort in the last 15 minutes, and especially once Germany took the lead. They preferred the second place.

[Fairview4Life]

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Those were a glorious 3 minutes.

[Stannis]

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[Sedale Threatt]

Spain temporarily sitting in third behind Costa Rica was the wildest part of the whole day. There are definitely alternate timelines where that held, they go home and CR advances after losing a World Cup match 7-0. Would have been amazing to see.

[Stannis]

Wait, the consensus is Germany was knocked out because they are too woke? Lol, you weirdos.

Speaking for myself... But no lol, I don't think Germany lost because they were "too woke". They can do what they want. But I also don't have to support it.

I was glad too see them lose after their "we have no voice" antics. These underdog teams in Africa + Japan and elsewhere just play with much more energy and pride for their respective country. So much more fun to root for. While these western nations were just looking for reasons to complain.

Lot of these privileged western nations always want to push their values on other people. They'll complain about Qatar but only after their respective nations took their bribe money which got Qatar the World Cup in the first place. Exhibit A, Sepp Blatter.

Also, these western nations complaining about not being able to wear "One Love" armbands or rainbow flags, they'll have the same supporters scream racial slurs to their non-white players. We saw it with England when their black players missed penalties against Italy in the Euro 2020 finals. Lukaku always says, when he fails, "he has Congo heritage". Same with Ozil being a Muslim Turkish immigrant if he fails for Germany. Benzema said the same thing. When he fails, he's Arab.

Maybe they should focus on their own country's xenophobia problems instead of finger-pointing at other nations.

I was the first one to talk chit about Qatar. I will admit that. I made a thread about it on the CA board. But this so far has been a beautiful World Cup and at this pace, could go down as one of the best.

[G R E Y]

Spoiler:

That pronunciation question is so obnoxious. Every country is pronounced differently in every freaking language. Nobody outside of English speaking countries is pronouncing Canada or Australia like they should. I am pretty sure that reporter is not pronouncing those names when he speaks in his own language. United States? Everyone translates the name of the country. How rude of them huh? I didn't see anyone here mentioning Deutschland. They were eliminated today, because Espana tanked.

no but seriously who in the world has a hard time pronouncing this? There's one vowel. No 'r' or 'L' or consonant combinations that give some tongues the twists.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of phonetics. Different countries/cultures pronounce words differently.

Case in point: Having spent a good chunk of my summers visiting family in Saskatchewan, I never heard any of them say "cah-nah-DAH" as, say, a Mexican might.

Fair point. But as OP's YouTube video above shows, it's accepted as originally an Iroquois word, 'kanata', and with different subsequent cultures and accents informing it, the word in Canada itself has changed. And if you go to Quebec or Newfoundland it will sound different still today. Perfectly fine whichever way.

Though in terms of phonetics, that reporter clearly was attributing something to the way Iran was pronounced. Sort of a strange 'now that you're outside your space, listen up' moment.

[Stannis]

Absolutely love VAR. I know a lot of purist don't like it. But I think it evens the playing field. I always felt underdogs had to thread the needle in the past because the giants always got ref favoritism.

Japan loses this game without VAR

[Fairview4Life]

Wait, the consensus is Germany was knocked out because they are too woke? Lol, you weirdos.

Speaking for myself... But no lol, I don't think Germany lost because they were "too woke". They can do what they want. But I also don't have to support it.

I was glad too see them lose after their "we have no voice" antics. These underdog teams in Africa + Japan and elsewhere just play with much more energy and pride for their respective country. So much more fun to root for. While these western nations were just looking for reasons to complain.

Lot of these privileged western nations always want to push their values on other people. They'll complain about Qatar but only after their respective nations took their bribe money which got Qatar the World Cup in the first place. Exhibit A, Sepp Blatter.

Also, these western nations complaining about not being able to wear "One Love" armbands or rainbow flags, they'll have the same supporters scream racial slurs to their non-white players. We saw it with England when their black players missed penalties against Italy in the Euro 2020 finals. Lukaku always says, when he fails, "he has Congo heritage". Same with Ozil being a Muslim Turkish immigrant if he fails for Germany. Benzema said the same thing. When he fails, he's Arab.

Maybe they should focus on their own country's xenophobia problems instead of finger-pointing at other nations.

I was the first one to talk chit about Qatar. I will admit that. I made a thread about it on the CA board. But this so far has been a beautiful World Cup and at this pace, could go down as one of the best.

I think you're inventing some pretty bizarre narratives there just because of your own prior feelings. I really don't think the Japanese players are playing with more pride for their country than the German or Spanish players or whoever. Brazil is certainly not an underdog. Do you think they're not playing with pride for their country, on par with like Morocco etc? I think that's pretty silly to say. All these guys are showing up with pride in their respective nations. I also don't know what any of that has to do with the covering their mouths thing. It is fun to root for underdogs. But don't kid yourself that they're playing with more pride or something.

You're also seemingly whatabouting some racist fans online as a problem that the German players need to deal with before commenting on Qatar's horrible human rights record when it comes to their treatment of gay people, and migrant workers. I am pretty sure the German players think racism in soccer is a problem that should be addressed and there have been lots of actions taken and campaigns to address it going on for decades now. Should Daryl Morey have kept his mouth shut about Hong Kong because systemic racism exists in the US? I don't really see how that kind of thing follows. There are lots of problems in lots of places. When you're on a huge stage in Qatar, that would seem to be a decent time to speak about the problems there, to bring attention to and to stick up for those people who don't have that spotlight on them. "Shut up and dribble" doesn't really carry much water with me.

[Sedale Threatt]

no but seriously who in the world has a hard time pronouncing this? There's one vowel. No 'r' or 'L' or consonant combinations that give some tongues the twists.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of phonetics. Different countries/cultures pronounce words differently.

Case in point: Having spent a good chunk of my summers visiting family in Saskatchewan, I never heard any of them say "cah-nah-DAH" as, say, a Mexican might.

Fair point. But as OP's YouTube video above shows, it's accepted as originally an Iroquois word, 'kanata', and with different subsequent cultures and accents informing it, the word in Canada itself has changed. And if you go to Quebec or Newfoundland it will sound different still today. Perfectly fine whichever way.

Though in terms of phonetics, that reporter clearly was attributing something to the way Iran was pronounced. Sort of a strange 'now that you're outside your space, listen up' moment.

Sure, that's how language goes. It changes and constantly shifts over time even within any particular culture, let alone other corners of the globe. Accents are fascinating. I don't think of American English as particularly varied, but I saw this great YouTube series a couple of years ago that we have something like 30 or 40 distinct dialects. Go back far enough and American actors like Jimmy Cagney and Humphrey Bogart sound like cartoon characters to the modern ear, but people actually spoke like that.

And getting back to the topic at hand, I'm more than willing to acknowledge the incredible damage our government has done around the world, especially (but sadly not limited to) the Middle East, or how ignorant/insular the average American can be. I'm very much less inclined to entertain that debate as filtered through the lens of a state propagandist running cover for a repressive regime overseen by a bunch of inbred religious zealots that a huge portion of their own citizens seem to hate.

[Mamba81p]

no but seriously who in the world has a hard time pronouncing this? There's one vowel. No 'r' or 'L' or consonant combinations that give some tongues the twists.

It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of phonetics. Different countries/cultures pronounce words differently.

Case in point: Having spent a good chunk of my summers visiting family in Saskatchewan, I never heard any of them say "cah-nah-DAH" as, say, a Mexican might.

Fair point. But as OP's YouTube video above shows, it's accepted as originally an Iroquois word, 'kanata', and with different subsequent cultures and accents informing it, the word in Canada itself has changed. And if you go to Quebec or Newfoundland it will sound different still today. Perfectly fine whichever way.

Though in terms of phonetics, that reporter clearly was attributing something to the way Iran was pronounced. Sort of a strange 'now that you're outside your space, listen up' moment.

The languages I am familiar with don't pronounce it that way because the French do it, or because of kanata. It's because that's how it would be pronounced in their language if that would be a word.

https://www.google.com/search?q=irlanda+in+turkish+pronunciation&sxsrf=ALiCzsZ7bGkHzVgD5XpLk0InMUVHni-5xA%3A1669951864942&ei=eHGJY--KOceg5NoP4N2yoAU&ved=0ahUKEwjvps69_9n7AhVHEFkFHeCuDFQQ4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=irlanda+in+turkish+pro&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAxgAMgUIIRCgATIFCCEQoAEyCAghEBYQHhAdMggIIRAWEB4QHTIICCEQFhAeEB0yCAghEBYQHhAdMggIIRAWEB4QHToHCCMQ6gIQJzoNCAAQjwEQ6gIQtAIYAToNCC4QjwEQ6gIQtAIYAToECCMQJzoECAAQQzoFCAAQkQI6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOggILhDUAhCRAjoKCAAQkQIQRhD_AToFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAoQQzoKCC4QsQMQgAQQCjoICC4Q1AIQgAQ6CAguEIAEENQCOgoIABCABBCxAxAKOgoILhCABBCxAxAKOg0IABCABBCxAxCDARAKOggILhCABBCxAzoKCAAQgAQQhwIQFDoFCC4QgAQ6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOgcIABCABBAKOgcILhCABBAKOggIABAWEB4QCjoGCAAQFhAeOgoIABAWEB4QDxAKOgUIABCGAzoFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABKBAhGGAFKBAhBGABKBAhGGAFQAFjGYGD6ZmgEcAF4AIABqgGIAYoUkgEFMTAuMTOYAQCgAQGwARTAAQHaAQYIARABGAo&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

It's funny to play with the google tool, to see how each country is pronounced. Ireland is the opposite example of Iran. How it's pronounce in English vs other languages.

[Fairview4Life]

Absolutely love VAR. I know a lot of purist don't like it. But I think it evens the playing field. I always felt underdogs had to thread the needle in the past because the giants always got ref favoritism.

Japan loses this game without VAR

Didn't the ref say it was in, without VAR's help? So I don't know what difference it would have made.

[Stannis]

Absolutely love VAR. I know a lot of purist don't like it. But I think it evens the playing field. I always felt underdogs had to thread the needle in the past because the giants always got ref favoritism.

Japan loses this game without VAR

Didn't the ref say it was in, without VAR's help? So I don't know what difference it would have made.

I believe the flag was down, then up again (offsides) then down again. At least that's what I saw when I saw the highlights again.

[clyde21]

Wait, the consensus is Germany was knocked out because they are too woke? Lol, you weirdos.

Speaking for myself... But no lol, I don't think Germany lost because they were "too woke". They can do what they want. But I also don't have to support it.

I was glad too see them lose after their "we have no voice" antics. These underdog teams in Africa + Japan and elsewhere just play with much more energy and pride for their respective country. So much more fun to root for. While these western nations were just looking for reasons to complain.

Lot of these privileged western nations always want to push their values on other people. They'll complain about Qatar but only after their respective nations took their bribe money which got Qatar the World Cup in the first place. Exhibit A, Sepp Blatter.

Also, these western nations complaining about not being able to wear "One Love" armbands or rainbow flags, they'll have the same supporters scream racial slurs to their non-white players. We saw it with England when their black players missed penalties against Italy in the Euro 2020 finals. Lukaku always says, when he fails, "he has Congo heritage". Same with Ozil being a Muslim Turkish immigrant if he fails for Germany. Benzema said the same thing. When he fails, he's Arab.

Maybe they should focus on their own country's xenophobia problems instead of finger-pointing at other nations.

I was the first one to talk chit about Qatar. I will admit that. I made a thread about it on the CA board. But this so far has been a beautiful World Cup and at this pace, could go down as one of the best.

I think you're inventing some pretty bizarre narratives there just because of your own prior feelings. I really don't think the Japanese players are playing with more pride for their country than the German or Spanish players or whoever. Brazil is certainly not an underdog. Do you think they're not playing with pride for their country, on par with like Morocco or whoever? I think that's pretty silly to say. All these guys are showing up with pride in their respective nations. I also don't know what any of that has to do with the covering their mouths thing. It is fun to root for underdogs. But don't kid yourself that they're playing with more pride or something.

You're also seemingly whatabouting some racist fans online as a problem that the German players need to deal with before commenting on Qatar's horrible human rights record when it comes to their treatment of gay people, and migrant workers. I am pretty sure the German players think racism in soccer is a problem that should be addressed and there have been lots of actions taken and campaigns to address it going on for decades now. Should Daryl Morey have kept his mouth shut about Hong Kong because systemic racism exists in the US? I don't really see how that kind of thing follows. There are lots of problems in lots of places. When you're on a huge stage in Qatar, that would seem to be a decent time to speak about the problems there, to bring attention to and to stick up for those people who don't have that spotlight on them.

no - that's not a decent time to do it. you don't go to another country and try to lecture them about their own beliefs, morals, traditions or cultures. that's peak neocolonialism and it rings hollow coming from THE segment of the world that has the most blood on its hands.

will they do the same in 2026 when the WC is the states? will they palm their mouths for the MILLIONS of Iraqis that America has murdered/displaced the last two decades? of course they won't. if the US was playing Israel, would they have changed Israel's flag like they did Iran? of course they wouldn't have.

the West only gives a **** about human rights when it's politically or financially convenient for them. save us the sanctimonious BS, the entire world is tired of it.

and, tbh, not everyone has to agree with the West about LGBTQ rights. Qatar is a deeply conservative and religious country. if you have a problem with that, don't go. you don't get to go there and shove your own beliefs down their throats, just like how I am sure you wouldn't like if they did that to you.

[Stannis]

Spoiler:

I think you're inventing some pretty bizarre narratives there just because of your own prior feelings. I really don't think the Japanese players are playing with more pride for their country than the German or Spanish players or whoever. Brazil is certainly not an underdog. Do you think they're not playing with pride for their country, on par with like Morocco etc? I think that's pretty silly to say. All these guys are showing up with pride in their respective nations. I also don't know what any of that has to do with the covering their mouths thing. It is fun to root for underdogs. But don't kid yourself that they're playing with more pride or something.

You're also seemingly whatabouting some racist fans online as a problem that the German players need to deal with before commenting on Qatar's horrible human rights record when it comes to their treatment of gay people, and migrant workers. I am pretty sure the German players think racism in soccer is a problem that should be addressed and there have been lots of actions taken and campaigns to address it going on for decades now. Should Daryl Morey have kept his mouth shut about Hong Kong because systemic racism exists in the US? I don't really see how that kind of thing follows. There are lots of problems in lots of places. When you're on a huge stage in Qatar, that would seem to be a decent time to speak about the problems there, to bring attention to and to stick up for those people who don't have that spotlight on them. "Shut up and dribble" doesn't really carry much water with me.

I will not defend migrant worker deaths. And I do think Qatar should be investigated for this and get harsher criticism. But that is a separate issue, and I actually have not seen much (if any) players/coaches call it out directly. They still tend to lump it with the "OneLove" issue.

I'd actually respect a player who wore an armband that brought awareness to the Migrant Workers directly. That'd take more bravery.

But it was a general "OneLove" armband. Whether they like it or not, lot of that is strictly haram (forbidden) in the Islamic religion. Qatar is known to be a very conservative and religious state. And the majority of people in Qatar do not accept those values.

In my opinion, I actually thinking pushing the "OneLove" values is taking away from the bigger issue in Qatar which is the treatment of migrant workers.

Anyways, like I said before, they can do what they want. I'm not telling Germany to "shut up and dribble". But I'm glad Spain advanced over Germany lol.

And I will admit, I did forget about South America lol. All those guys play with lot of pride and aren't underdogs. But my point still stands.

[Fairview4Life]

Speaking for myself... But no lol, I don't think Germany lost because they were "too woke". They can do what they want. But I also don't have to support it.

I was glad too see them lose after their "we have no voice" antics. These underdog teams in Africa + Japan and elsewhere just play with much more energy and pride for their respective country. So much more fun to root for. While these western nations were just looking for reasons to complain.

Lot of these privileged western nations always want to push their values on other people. They'll complain about Qatar but only after their respective nations took their bribe money which got Qatar the World Cup in the first place. Exhibit A, Sepp Blatter.

Also, these western nations complaining about not being able to wear "One Love" armbands or rainbow flags, they'll have the same supporters scream racial slurs to their non-white players. We saw it with England when their black players missed penalties against Italy in the Euro 2020 finals. Lukaku always says, when he fails, "he has Congo heritage". Same with Ozil being a Muslim Turkish immigrant if he fails for Germany. Benzema said the same thing. When he fails, he's Arab.

Maybe they should focus on their own country's xenophobia problems instead of finger-pointing at other nations.

I was the first one to talk chit about Qatar. I will admit that. I made a thread about it on the CA board. But this so far has been a beautiful World Cup and at this pace, could go down as one of the best.

I think you're inventing some pretty bizarre narratives there just because of your own prior feelings. I really don't think the Japanese players are playing with more pride for their country than the German or Spanish players or whoever. Brazil is certainly not an underdog. Do you think they're not playing with pride for their country, on par with like Morocco or whoever? I think that's pretty silly to say. All these guys are showing up with pride in their respective nations. I also don't know what any of that has to do with the covering their mouths thing. It is fun to root for underdogs. But don't kid yourself that they're playing with more pride or something.

You're also seemingly whatabouting some racist fans online as a problem that the German players need to deal with before commenting on Qatar's horrible human rights record when it comes to their treatment of gay people, and migrant workers. I am pretty sure the German players think racism in soccer is a problem that should be addressed and there have been lots of actions taken and campaigns to address it going on for decades now. Should Daryl Morey have kept his mouth shut about Hong Kong because systemic racism exists in the US? I don't really see how that kind of thing follows. There are lots of problems in lots of places. When you're on a huge stage in Qatar, that would seem to be a decent time to speak about the problems there, to bring attention to and to stick up for those people who don't have that spotlight on them.

no - that's not a decent time to do it. you don't go to another country and try to lecture them about their own beliefs, morals, traditions or cultures. that's peak neocolonialism and it rings hollow coming from THE segment of the world that has the most blood on its hands.

will they do the same in 2026 when the WC is the states? will they palm their mouths for the MILLIONS of Iraqis that America has murdered/displaced the last two decades? of course they won't. if the US was playing Israel, would they have changed Israel's flag like they did Iran? of course they wouldn't have.

the West only gives a **** about human rights when it's politically or financially convenient for them. save us the sanctimonious BS, the entire world is tired of it.

and, tbh, not everyone has to agree with the West about LGBTQ rights. Qatar is a deeply conservative and religious country. if you have a problem with that, don't go. you don't get to go there and shove your own beliefs down their throats, just like how I am sure you wouldn't like if they did that to you.

Sure, they shouldn't have awarded Qatar the event and they should not have gone. But the best time to get attention and protest something you disagree with is actually when the camera lights are at their brightest and you are right there in the face of the people you are protesting. They went to play, out of pride in their country, and used their spotlight for an incredibly minor gesture of support for some persecuted people. Just because you personally agree with the Qatari stance on gay people doesn't mean it isn't ****. This also isn't just a "we won't let them get legally married" thing, which, to be clear, is also ****. This is a "you're getting arrested and going to jail for being gay" thing. People just existing. If the Qatari's didn't want any attention brought to their country, they didn't need to bribe so many people.

[clyde21]

I think you're inventing some pretty bizarre narratives there just because of your own prior feelings. I really don't think the Japanese players are playing with more pride for their country than the German or Spanish players or whoever. Brazil is certainly not an underdog. Do you think they're not playing with pride for their country, on par with like Morocco or whoever? I think that's pretty silly to say. All these guys are showing up with pride in their respective nations. I also don't know what any of that has to do with the covering their mouths thing. It is fun to root for underdogs. But don't kid yourself that they're playing with more pride or something.

You're also seemingly whatabouting some racist fans online as a problem that the German players need to deal with before commenting on Qatar's horrible human rights record when it comes to their treatment of gay people, and migrant workers. I am pretty sure the German players think racism in soccer is a problem that should be addressed and there have been lots of actions taken and campaigns to address it going on for decades now. Should Daryl Morey have kept his mouth shut about Hong Kong because systemic racism exists in the US? I don't really see how that kind of thing follows. There are lots of problems in lots of places. When you're on a huge stage in Qatar, that would seem to be a decent time to speak about the problems there, to bring attention to and to stick up for those people who don't have that spotlight on them.

no - that's not a decent time to do it. you don't go to another country and try to lecture them about their own beliefs, morals, traditions or cultures. that's peak neocolonialism and it rings hollow coming from THE segment of the world that has the most blood on its hands.

will they do the same in 2026 when the WC is the states? will they palm their mouths for the MILLIONS of Iraqis that America has murdered/displaced the last two decades? of course they won't. if the US was playing Israel, would they have changed Israel's flag like they did Iran? of course they wouldn't have.

the West only gives a **** about human rights when it's politically or financially convenient for them. save us the sanctimonious BS, the entire world is tired of it.

and, tbh, not everyone has to agree with the West about LGBTQ rights. Qatar is a deeply conservative and religious country. if you have a problem with that, don't go. you don't get to go there and shove your own beliefs down their throats, just like how I am sure you wouldn't like if they did that to you.

Sure, they shouldn't have awarded Qatar the event and they should not have gone. But the best time to get attention and protest something you disagree with is actually when the camera lights are at their brightest and you are right there in the face of the people you are protesting. They went to play, out of pride in their country, and used their spotlight for an incredibly minor gesture of support for some persecuted people. Just because you personally agree with the Qatari stance on gay people doesn't mean it isn't ****. This also isn't just a "we won't let them get legally married" thing, which, to be clear, is also ****. This is a "you're getting arrested and going to jail for being gay thing. People just existing. If the Qatari's didn't want any attention brought to their country, they didn't need to bribe so many people.

will Germany do the same thing in the 2026 WC when it's held in the states? or do those millions of Muslims the collective West murdered in the ME the last 2 decades not count as 'human rights'?

if the answer is no, they should stfu and mind their own business. quite frankly we don't give a crap what Germany or the US or France think about "human rights". we know exactly what they mean when they use these empty words and slogans.

[Stannis]

I do think going in with your own agenda to another country takes away from the fun of the game.

I like Granit Xhaka's (Swiss Captain) perspective on the matter. It is cliche though for the Swiss to play neutral though haha

"I don't think we need to do anything as the Swiss team. We need to respect the rules and concentrate on our football, that's all I intend to do"

"We're hear to play football and not hand out lessons to anyone."

Also, imo, If they wanted to bring awareness to the treatment of migrant workers, they should wear bands specific to that. You can't clump everything into one movement.