If you could re do the Cade, Green and Mobley draft would you go differently

[rocketsfan100]

Mobley.
If someone reminds you in any way a young Giannis then the choice is obvious.
Cade and Barnes will be great too but Mobley is designed for other things.

Amen. His versatility on the defensive end is downright scary. He can defend a 300 pound 7’1 Embiid or defend an agile guard.

[Lalouie]

MY draft had mobley #1

the dude is a franchise changer who turned the black hole of college basketball into a national ranking team!!!
none of his other draft class did that,,,that includes cade

[Onlytimewilltel]

I can't help but believe a lot of you make hasty judgments and desperately cling to them, facts be damned.
And a some of you talk about players you clearly haven't watched, the overrating of Barnes and underrating of Green speaks directly to that.

In a redraft, assuming the order stays the same, I could easily see:

Mobley
Green
Wagner
Cunningham
Giddey
Barnes

This

[76ciology]

Why does it sound like you guys find comparing Mobley to Jaren Jackson on defense is a bad thing?

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Get back to me once Mobley is better than that.

[hippesthippo]

What is surprising is the fact that he is sporting a -17.8 on/off this season with the Cavs better on both ends of the floor with him on the bench. What is shocking is his 112.9DRTG on vs 99.9 off.

Yeah it’s really unfortunate opponent shooting luck working against him right now. Teams are shooting 27.1% from 3 when Mobley is off the court and then 40.4% from 3 when Mobley is on the court. So it’s causing a huge chasm in his DRTG on-off. With a bigger sample size, those figures should regress to the mean.

Yup, similar situation in Utah where they have had [haven't checked in a week] incredibly good luck with opponents 3pt shooting %'s against them.

Most of us recognize the huge variance in 3pt shooting %'s for an individual, but it's not as obvious team-wide. Teams won't be shooting 28% from three against Utah indefinitely. That's league best luck right there and has very little to do with team defense. It will go up and Utah will fall in the standings, just as Mobley's defensive figures [which are notoriously unreliable anyway] will improve.

[hippesthippo]

Why does it sound like you guys find comparing Mobley to Jaren Jackson on defense is a bad thing?

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Get back to me once Mobley is better than that.

It isn't that it's a bad thing. It's that they have completely different roles on defense and play nothing alike on offense. The only thing they have in common is that they're both tall and good at defense.

[76ciology]

Why does it sound like you guys find comparing Mobley to Jaren Jackson on defense is a bad thing?

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Get back to me once Mobley is better than that.

It isn't that it's a bad thing. It's that they have completely different roles on defense and play nothing alike on offense. The only thing they have in common is that they're both tall and good at defense.

JJJ’s value on defense is a lot higher than Mobley now.

If Mobley can reach that value, I still don’t see how you’d choose 25ppg scorers who can shoot, score and create over that.

As great as JJJ is right now, he’s not a max contract type players. Not even Draymond at his peak. Nor even Gobert when people refused to see the truth and was winning DPOY awards.

Its unfair but thats the way the league is right now. And thats why guys like Wembayama has to learn how to score like a wing when 10-20 years ago, he’d be Gobert 2.0

[AbC?]

I'd take Franz over any of them.

Mobley is hugely overrated. There's a lot of imagination being used to fill the gaps in regards to his offensive upside.

[hippesthippo]

I can't help but believe a lot of you make hasty judgments and desperately cling to them, facts be damned.
And a some of you talk about players you clearly haven't watched, the overrating of Barnes and underrating of Green speaks directly to that.

In a redraft, assuming the order stays the same, I could easily see:

Mobley
Green
Wagner
Cunningham
Giddey
Barnes

This

I'll admit that I forgot about Giddey, but he doesn't crack my top 5 for the same reason than I don't value Green as highly as you do: Giddey is a freaking turnstile on defense; he can't slide his feet and hasn't learned how to recover with his length from behind. He is big though, so most teams will have someone Giddey can hide on.

[76ciology]

I'd take Franz over any of them.

Mobley is hugely overrated. There's a lot of imagination being used to fill the gaps in regards to his offensive upside.

Me too.

I have Franz, Cade, Jalen, Mobley then Scottie

[hippesthippo]

Why does it sound like you guys find comparing Mobley to Jaren Jackson on defense is a bad thing?

Spoiler:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Get back to me once Mobley is better than that.

It isn't that it's a bad thing. It's that they have completely different roles on defense and play nothing alike on offense. The only thing they have in common is that they're both tall and good at defense.

JJJ’s value on defense is a lot higher than Mobley now.

If Mobley can reach that value, I still don’t see how you’d choose 25ppg scorers who can shoot, score and create over that.

As great as JJJ is right now, he’s not a max contract type players. Not even Draymond at his peak. Nor even Gobert when people refused to see the truth and was winning DPOY awards.

Its unfair but thats the way the league is right now. And thats why guys like Wembayama has to learn how to score like a wing when 10-20 years ago, he’d be Gobert 2.0

Did you even read what I wrote? I clearly said that it isn't a bad thing, it's just a bad comparison because they have different roles and play nothing alike.

In my initial post in this thread I still ranked Mobley at #2 almost entirely based on his defense. I also had Barnes ahead of Green for the exact same reason: defense.

To be clear, here is my initial post:

If I had to, the main difference is dropping Green and Suggs down a few pegs and raising up Barnes and Franz. Cade is stlll the archetype every team is looking for and we haven't seen enough games to prove otherwise. Mobley could certainly develop into a KG/TD/AD type of big, but I'm not so sure this year. His defense is outstanding, but he has Jarrett Allen making life easier on that end and we've yet to see any kind of real leap on offense. I'm not the biggest Green fan, but his athleticism and skill still give him a higher upside than Franz even if Franz is currently the better player.

Cade
Mobley
Barnes
Green
Franz

[K_chile22]

Green has a significantly better TS than Cade or Barnes. He's right in line with average combo guard efficiency at 20 on a high usage. I do not understand why so many people are singling him out as inefficient when he's the second most efficient relative to his position (behind Franz) of any of the guys discussed here and doing it at the second highest usage.

Its fine to prefer other guys over him, draft has a lot of good players, but we don't have to make stuff up

[Duffman100]

Honestly, nobody has separated themselves from the pack yet. The ones putting up big numbers are on losing teams, the ones on winning teams don't have the gaudy statlines.

[chilluminati]

Cade has had the worst teams (this does matter, especially to a young player), the most injuries, and he's not our 100% ball handler. A lot of the time we run 2 PG's with Bojan ball handling the rest of the time (last year it was Grant). I do know that he has efficiency issues still, but I'm not worried about that considering his age and how bad of teams he's had to play with. In the end, I'm still gonna take Cade based on the fact that he's only going to keep getting better as our team gets better. As a pace setting, 6'7 PG, I'll take my chances on his first few years being the adjustment period. The only thing I'm really worried about is injuries. Hopefully it isn't a pattern.

[Viper1500]

Anyone who doesn’t have Franz in their top 3 doesn’t watch the Magic.


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[JJ_PR]

Mobley
Cade
Barnes
Franz
Green
Sengun
Giddey

[tooler]

Anyone who doesn’t have Franz in their top 3 doesn’t watch the Magic.

This thread isn't really about us. It's a continuation of the slap fight from last year between fans of the top 4 players in the draft. One day everyone will be able to move on!

[jasonxxx102]

Why does it sound like you guys find comparing Mobley to Jaren Jackson on defense is a bad thing?

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Get back to me once Mobley is better than that.

because he's not nearly as versatile defensively, and Mobley has such a great feel for the game and how and when to make the right rotations.

JJJ isn't a high IQ defender. He's not making elite reads, he's not quarterbacking a defense, he fouls a lot....

[jasonxxx102]

Anyone who doesn’t have Franz in their top 3 doesn’t watch the Magic.


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I'm fine if you put Wagner 4, he's awesome.

He's not a better player or prospect than Mobley/Cade/Barnes, it's just that simple.

He's a really good player and that's not a slight but not a single GM in the league is taking Franz over any of those 3 guys

[JonFromVA]

Evan Mobley on the other hand, in just his second season, limited Embiid to below 20 points for the first time this season. Embiid was held to a low shooting percentage from the field. He could not for the life of him get to the line as regularly as he would against other opposing teams. And just an FYI: Allen didn't even play in this game.

Let's not get too carried away over one game, a game where Embiid was coming off a foot injury and the Sixers missing Harden and Maxey were relying on Shake Milton to run the offense.

It was also Mamadi Diakite's first start of the season, a player with the length and mobility to at least try to replicate what Allen brings when playing next to Mobley.

Physically, Embiid could have pushed Mobley all around the floor if the refs felt like letting him and he felt like playing physical, but he just didn't seem to have his head in the game.

And fwiw, Embiid's worst game of the season so far was .vs. the Buck - a game both teams were healthy and the Sixers were at home.
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If there's a point to this long tangent, it's to emphasize how important it is for young players to be put in a situation where they can succeed. Evan has terrific instincts for playing unselfish/winning basketball, but he still needs to be supported by his teammates.

As the Son of a coach, having spent his youth playing with and against his older brother and on the older edge of a one and done player, Evan was well prepared for the league. It's almost unfair because he has defensive instincts you might not even start to see from some of the other guys until much later in their carer. I mean, did anyone think Brook Lopez was a defensive asset let alone DPOY candidate until he landed in Milwaukee?

Evan's ceiling is still going to be dictated by his physical and skill development, but being tall and quick gives him an advantage over the other guys too. Add on his BBIQ and court vision and he just has a terrific floor as a prospect even if he never becomes a more physical player and fails to improve his dribbling or shooting.