Game 23 - Sixers at Grizzlies 8pm ET

[DCasey91]

But we’ve accomplished getting to the second round ad nauseam

Tobias Harris at 40mil a year is a big step backwards in fact it’s arguably the biggest mistake out of the lot because everything management wise is handicapped for years on end.

His value is that of replacement level because of fit. Then just add another 20mil and it’s a net negative

So ask yourself everyone else gets a 40 mil add and you start with 40 less than everyone else and a negative asset.

We are not more talented than the Bucks, Celtics, GSW etc. Bucks/GSW for starters have a better superstar than us and there’s zero disputes from me on that. And Tatum led teams have performed extremely well.

76ciology Luka went 3, JJJ went 4 what are you talking about? It was the Hawks, Suns, Kings that fuked up. Cmon man

[76ciology]

But we’ve accomplished getting to the second round ad nauseam

Tobias Harris at 40mil a year is a big step backwards in fact it’s arguably the biggest mistake out of the lot because everything management wise is handicapped for years on end.

His value is that of replacement level because of fit. Then just add another 20mil and it’s a net negative

So ask yourself everyone else gets a 40 mil add and you start with 40 less than everyone else and a negative asset.

Tobias Harris didn’t stop us from having the most talented roster or one of the most talented rosters or the first seed in the east in the last 3-4 years.

Let’s not forget how in the 2018-2019 season we had that “we need to use it or we lose it” phase with our cap because we were about to extend guys like Roco and Dario back then.

If you need more talent than Tobias. Then maybe the problem is your best player or your second best player are not good enough.

Because a guy like Giannis, Jokic, Steph or Doncic would go further if they had Harden, Maxey and Tobias.

[rocketsfan100]

I thought the Sixers played hard but just overwhelmed by the Grizzlies more talent given who the Sixers were missing. Harden is coming back on Monday (next game) and Maxey is probably a fortnight away. Help is coming

[Mik317]

in those trades were also picks as the team has been let down by not having a bench or depth consistantly.

hmmm....wonder why.

people constantly ignore the fact that the best teams do more than just win trades and stack all stars. Teams find dudes off the scrap heap all the time...we have not. The Warriors have had Iggy, Barbosa, Livingston, Poole come off the bench for them. Tne Raptors constantly has some random african guy step up whenever needed lol.

This has always been my biggest issue with the FO, we tossed away second rounders because "they don't matter" while having some of the worst injury luck ever and get caught playing 8 players for stretches at a time and wearing the remaining starters out in the process.

You get the star. Then your job is to make it easier for said star and to get him to the playoffs in tact. Joel has a role in it but every year we make it so he has to do everything because the rest of the team are specialists who suck at their specialty. Keep using it as an example but Steph gets to hide on defense, doesn't have to really run the offense and often has another high gravity guy with him. Giannis doesn't have to run offense as much nor does he have to be the last line of defense (or even guard the best players). Luka is great but Dallas is losing for a lot of the same reasons we are....no one else on that team can do much. Jokic was B2B MVP but was also the 6th seed last year because his running mates and bench were AWOL.

People are constantly trying to be the tough philly fan stereotype in which players just gotta play hard and make it happen when that is simply not how it works man. Ben went out like a hoe but sans a real creator that team covered up more of Biid's flaws than this one did with Ben being a great rebounder and POA defender, Seth giving him a movement shooter option even if only for mid rangers, and Danny being a real spacer. Had the bench not been ass (or rather had Doc trusted Maxey sooner), we'd overcome that hawks team IMO...even w/ Ben in his head.

Keep saying it but basketball isn't a difficult sport. Its a TEAM one however and as cool as if sounds to have your best player just put the team on his back and overcome everything...that's not how it works. People glorify those Bron cavs runs...but they lost except when he had Kyrie and Love making big ass plays ...and holding anyone up to Bron's standards is nuts.

THIS does not mean Embiid can't be better. Nor does it mean he isn't at fault for things. I think him losing MVP last year has **** his brain into thinking that being more Jokic like is the way....when its simply not his game. I hate running EVERYTHING through him as a passing hub because it simply takes too long and ends up in a tough shot. I want him to be the finisher more than the creator. But this idea that the rest of the team has no part in it is nuts. Tiise and PJ are usless on defense. Shake needs the ball in his hands and isn't good enough for that. Furk, love him, but if he;s not going to jack 3s then he can't be here. Reed, again love him, but he is too little most of the time. This team carries guys who simply can't hang for as many minutes as we need them too and it feels like other teams don't have that problem. That is the problem with this team ATM. I wish Doc was a better schemer. I wish Jo was truly able to let the MVP chase go. I wish Tobias made less money or had trade value. But this team simply carries and has to play too many dudes who can't hang most nights. The Warriors aren't even good this season and many of their role players are probably ass but the fact that most of them have size, athleticism and don't get brownie points for looking at the rim is like some world changing **** for me lol.

tldr: Darryl Morey needs to be tried for his crimes.

[76ciology]

I thought the Sixers played hard but just overwhelmed by the Grizzlies more talent given who the Sixers were missing. Harden is coming back on Monday (next game) and Maxey is probably a fortnight away. Help is coming

This.

Sixers played hard and they should be appreciated for this game.

We’re just going through this “scape goat” discussion everytime we lose. Im just fascinated by it. Since Tucker is now scoring, he has survived this round.

*i still dont get it why people expect Tucker to score. When did Tucker was expected to score in his career? Haha

[76ciology]

Anyway, i haven’t watched the game so i can’t make any comments. And looking at the boxscore, I thought our guys played well or atleast played as good as we expect them to be.

I think if we had Harden, then had Melton off the bench, we would have won this game.

Grizzlies is a really good team and is designed to slow down Embiid. The the last possession when Biid drove past adams and had Jaren Jackson rotating to the paint and protect the rim is the perfect example of my ideal defensive scheme in general and in defending guys like Biid.

[phillynative]

31% of our cap goes to Tucker and Harris next year damn.

And the worst part is who in their right mind would split the huge 40mil pay packet next year in a trade? There’s Hayward/Porzingis if you want to save a bit (most closely matches on sums) but that comes with their own headaches.

Just dumb roster decisions since Hinkie was let go. Too many bad coaches, bad luck with injuries and terrible development program. Yeah Jo and Maxey developed well, but a lot of that was the will of the players. I truly admire the Heat, Nuggets, Celtics, Raptors and Bucks.

They make smart decisions in these areas. you won't win a championship when you make so many mistakes. People put it on the players, but a lot of this is about how you build and making smart choices.

We turned Roco, Dario, Shamet, Ben Simmons and some picks into Jimmy Butler, James Harden and Tobias Harris.

I dont know if there’s a team in the last 3-4 years had better return in trades than we did.

We had been one of the most talented teams or/with the best highest NetRtg 5 man unit for 4 out of the last 5 years.

Just ask yourself.. why do we need to have more talent to move the needle compared to others?

Speaking about the grizzlies. They probably made one of the biggest mistake of all time in drafting Jaren Jackson over Luka Doncic. We haven’t passed up that big of a talent except when we passed up Giannis twice over two guys who have 0 playing time in the lottery in 2013.

Having Jrue here would have been great. He’s actually the perfect guy to play with Biid’s style of play

Jimmy was labeled a problem and the Timberwolves were ready to move on and not pay him and he didnt like his role here either. Tobias is a solid player but not a star every team he was on knew this and the Clippers didn't want to pay him. James Harden though still very good is past his prime and wanted out to play under Morey and with Embiid.

It's not about trying to have more talent to move the needle compared to others. It's about having the right mixture of talent and also the right pieces around that talent to compliment it. So far the sixers have not been able to get that right.

Even our arguably most talented lineup was the worst fitting lineup. Ben, JJ, JImmy, Tobias , Embiid. The spacing was horrid with Ben and Jimmy refusing to shoot 3s, Jj running around like a chicken with his head cut off as the best play and Embiid being more post oriented.

Now that we have the legit perimeter options to go with Embiid the other pieces fit is clunky.

It's pretty obvious what you need around a core of Harden, Maxey and Embiid and what they have aint it.

[Mik317]

31% of our cap goes to Tucker and Harris next year damn.

And the worst part is who in their right mind would split the huge 40mil pay packet next year in a trade? There’s Hayward/Porzingis if you want to save a bit (most closely matches on sums) but that comes with their own headaches.

Just dumb roster decisions since Hinkie was let go. Too many bad coaches, bad luck with injuries and terrible development program. Yeah Jo and Maxey developed well, but a lot of that was the will of the players. I truly admire the Heat, Nuggets, Celtics, Raptors and Bucks.

They make smart decisions in these areas. you won't win a championship when you make so many mistakes. People put it on the players, but a lot of this is about how you build and making smart choices.

We turned Roco, Dario, Shamet, Ben Simmons and some picks into Jimmy Butler, James Harden and Tobias Harris.

I dont know if there’s a team in the last 3-4 years had better return in trades than we did.

We had been one of the most talented teams or/with the best highest NetRtg 5 man unit for 4 out of the last 5 years.

This season..

We’re more talented than the Bucks, Celtics and Warriors. Do we need more talent?

Just ask yourself.. why do we need to have more talent to move the needle compared to others?

Speaking about the grizzlies. They probably made one of the biggest mistake of all time in drafting Jaren Jackson over Luka Doncic. We haven’t passed up that big of a talent except when we passed up Giannis twice in 2013 over two guys who have 0 playing time.

Having Jrue here would have been great. He’s actually the perfect guy to play with Biid’s style of play

Talent is not the issue with this team.
Playing the right way and having the right motivation are the problem.

we have had 4 top 3 picks.

Came away with Biid, Jah, Ben, Fultz.

We also picked Dario, MCW, Mikal(Zhaire lololololol) Nerlens, Korkmaz, Shamet, TLC, Maxey, Tiise, Springer and Roddy.

Jo and Maxey is all we can be proud of atm. Melton for Roddy seems good. Dario technically got us Bulter (who we let walk for JRich who became Seth...who was in the Harden trade with Ben. So thats about 4 players for 15 picks or so (not counting the second round). Thats not great...especially since one of the 5 players is a 33 year old with injury problems who we not only gave up more picks for but also have to still pay/...and who may not mesh well with our best player.

The FO bungled this and sadly hitting on maybe one or two more of the above picks would greatly change the calculus...and its possible that we did but we let those guys walk (Grant for example or maybe Joe or Bassey).

Thats a bad use of resources. Great teams don't do that. Every year you see the Bucks, Heat, Raptors, Celtics, Warriors find some dude to fill a hole on their roster. WE don't and now don't have the resources to do so.

[76ciology]

But we’ve accomplished getting to the second round ad nauseam

Tobias Harris at 40mil a year is a big step backwards in fact it’s arguably the biggest mistake out of the lot because everything management wise is handicapped for years on end.

His value is that of replacement level because of fit. Then just add another 20mil and it’s a net negative

So ask yourself everyone else gets a 40 mil add and you start with 40 less than everyone else and a negative asset.

We are not more talented than the Bucks, Celtics, GSW etc. Bucks/GSW for starters have a better superstar than us and there’s zero disputes from me on that. And Tatum led teams have performed extremely well.

76ciology Luka went 3, JJJ went 4 what are you talking about? It was the Hawks, Suns, Kings that fuked up. Cmon man

Yikes my bad there.

[DCasey91]

But we’ve accomplished getting to the second round ad nauseam

Tobias Harris at 40mil a year is a big step backwards in fact it’s arguably the biggest mistake out of the lot because everything management wise is handicapped for years on end.

His value is that of replacement level because of fit. Then just add another 20mil and it’s a net negative

So ask yourself everyone else gets a 40 mil add and you start with 40 less than everyone else and a negative asset.

Tobias Harris didn’t stop us from having the most talented roster or one of the most talented rosters or the first seed in the east in the last 3-4 years.

Let’s not forget how in the 2018-2019 season we had that “we need to use it or we lose it” phase with our cap because we were about to extend guys like Roco and Dario back then.

If you need more talent than Tobias. Then maybe the problem is your best player or your second best player are not good enough.

Because a guy like Giannis, Jokic, Steph or Doncic would go further if he had Harden, Maxey and Tobias.

Mate I think you are really overrating our list by just looking at regular season numbers.

You can’t tell me that Tobias was a terrible move that will hamper the team chances long term, and it has of course. It is stopping management control financially speaking. For what 3 seasons of a huge immovable contract makes businesses go busto.

That’s the catch 22, if the FO has this boom/bust mentality on going all in for Embiid you better get it up to scratch but the list is so flawed I really don’t know a way out. If Embiid is the hill to die on so be it

Maybe it is a problem that our two best players don’t have the game to go all the way but that’s seldom seen because they haven’t done a full run through of the playoffs yet.

But honestly to me it’s the FO above all else. I rate it bottom 5 for the last six years.

And with Grizzlies thing you are wrong as I previously mentioned.

[DCasey91]

in those trades were also picks as the team has been let down by not having a bench or depth consistantly.

hmmm....wonder why.

people constantly ignore the fact that the best teams do more than just win trades and stack all stars. Teams find dudes off the scrap heap all the time...we have not. The Warriors have had Iggy, Barbosa, Livingston, Poole come off the bench for them. Tne Raptors constantly has some random african guy step up whenever needed lol.

This has always been my biggest issue with the FO, we tossed away second rounders because "they don't matter" while having some of the worst injury luck ever and get caught playing 8 players for stretches at a time and wearing the remaining starters out in the process.

You get the star. Then your job is to make it easier for said star and to get him to the playoffs in tact. Joel has a role in it but every year we make it so he has to do everything because the rest of the team are specialists who suck at their specialty. Keep using it as an example but Steph gets to hide on defense, doesn't have to really run the offense and often has another high gravity guy with him. Giannis doesn't have to run offense as much nor does he have to be the last line of defense (or even guard the best players). Luka is great but Dallas is losing for a lot of the same reasons we are....no one else on that team can do much. Jokic was B2B MVP but was also the 6th seed last year because his running mates and bench were AWOL.

People are constantly trying to be the tough philly fan stereotype in which players just gotta play hard and make it happen when that is simply not how it works man. Ben went out like a hoe but sans a real creator that team covered up more of Biid's flaws than this one did with Ben being a great rebounder and POA defender, Seth giving him a movement shooter option even if only for mid rangers, and Danny being a real spacer. Had the bench not been ass (or rather had Doc trusted Maxey sooner), we'd overcome that hawks team IMO...even w/ Ben in his head.

Keep saying it but basketball isn't a difficult sport. Its a TEAM one however and as cool as if sounds to have your best player just put the team on his back and overcome everything...that's not how it works. People glorify those Bron cavs runs...but they lost except when he had Kyrie and Love making big ass plays ...and holding anyone up to Bron's standards is nuts.

THIS does not mean Embiid can't be better. Nor does it mean he isn't at fault for things. I think him losing MVP last year has **** his brain into thinking that being more Jokic like is the way....when its simply not his game. I hate running EVERYTHING through him as a passing hub because it simply takes too long and ends up in a tough shot. I want him to be the finisher more than the creator. But this idea that the rest of the team has no part in it is nuts. Tiise and PJ are usless on defense. Shake needs the ball in his hands and isn't good enough for that. Furk, love him, but if he;s not going to jack 3s then he can't be here. Reed, again love him, but he is too little most of the time. This team carries guys who simply can't hang for as many minutes as we need them too and it feels like other teams don't have that problem. That is the problem with this team ATM. I wish Doc was a better schemer. I wish Jo was truly able to let the MVP chase go. I wish Tobias made less money or had trade value. But this team simply carries and has to play too many dudes who can't hang most nights. The Warriors aren't even good this season and many of their role players are probably ass but the fact that most of them have size, athleticism and don't get brownie points for looking at the rim is like some world changing **** for me lol.

tldr: Darryl Morey needs to be tried for his crimes.

You lost me at random african* lmfao legit just split my coffee everywhere thanks for making my day.

[76ciology]

Just dumb roster decisions since Hinkie was let go. Too many bad coaches, bad luck with injuries and terrible development program. Yeah Jo and Maxey developed well, but a lot of that was the will of the players. I truly admire the Heat, Nuggets, Celtics, Raptors and Bucks.

They make smart decisions in these areas. you won't win a championship when you make so many mistakes. People put it on the players, but a lot of this is about how you build and making smart choices.

We turned Roco, Dario, Shamet, Ben Simmons and some picks into Jimmy Butler, James Harden and Tobias Harris.

I dont know if there’s a team in the last 3-4 years had better return in trades than we did.

We had been one of the most talented teams or/with the best highest NetRtg 5 man unit for 4 out of the last 5 years.

Just ask yourself.. why do we need to have more talent to move the needle compared to others?

Speaking about the grizzlies. They probably made one of the biggest mistake of all time in drafting Jaren Jackson over Luka Doncic. We haven’t passed up that big of a talent except when we passed up Giannis twice over two guys who have 0 playing time in the lottery in 2013.

Having Jrue here would have been great. He’s actually the perfect guy to play with Biid’s style of play

Jimmy was labeled a problem and the Timberwolves were ready to move on and not pay him and he didnt like his role here either. Tobias is a solid player but not a star every team he was on knew this and the Clippers didn't want to pay him. James Harden though still very good is past his prime and wanted out to play under Morey and with Embiid.

It's not about trying to have more talent to move the needle compared to others. It's about having the right mixture of talent and also the right pieces around that talent to compliment it. So far the sixers have not been able to get that right.

Even our arguably most talented lineup was the worst fitting lineup. Ben, JJ, JImmy, Tobias , Embiid. The spacing was horrid with Ben and Jimmy refusing to shoot 3s, Jj running around like a chicken with his head cut off as the best play and Embiid being more post oriented.

Now that we have the legit perimeter options to go with Embiid the other pieces fit is clunky.

It's pretty obvious what you need around a core of Harden, Maxey and Embiid and what they have aint it.

Yup agree. But how would you build around Biid then?

Shooter shooter shooter shooter and Biid?

Offensively, we’re running Hakeem Olajuwon offense where there’s little ball movement. Defensively, we not as long and athletic because long and athletic with shooting is expensive.

Im not criticizing Biid. Im just trying to figure out how do you build around him.

[Mik317]

PJ defensively is a great fit next to Biid...not so much offensively and not for the money and not for his age. Thats a problem.
House is just another body that does things other guys already here do but worse. Like a Paules "Shake" Thymaz.

Injuries suck but not getting another shot creator or movement shooter seems dumb. And the team not having athletes at all is bad.

It really shouldn't have been this hard.


It feels like Morey saw that Biid wanted PJ, did that and went "my job here is done" IMO. Shake has been better but I still think we could have looked to upgrade on him. Kork should have been moved too. Thybulle too since they didn't extend or pick up his option.

Just more wasted assets because they assumed that just stacking talent in the starting lineup would solve all. Despite two of said guys having major injury issues too.

again not what good teams do IMO.

[76ciology]

But we’ve accomplished getting to the second round ad nauseam

Tobias Harris at 40mil a year is a big step backwards in fact it’s arguably the biggest mistake out of the lot because everything management wise is handicapped for years on end.

His value is that of replacement level because of fit. Then just add another 20mil and it’s a net negative

So ask yourself everyone else gets a 40 mil add and you start with 40 less than everyone else and a negative asset.

Tobias Harris didn’t stop us from having the most talented roster or one of the most talented rosters or the first seed in the east in the last 3-4 years.

Let’s not forget how in the 2018-2019 season we had that “we need to use it or we lose it” phase with our cap because we were about to extend guys like Roco and Dario back then.

If you need more talent than Tobias. Then maybe the problem is your best player or your second best player are not good enough.

Because a guy like Giannis, Jokic, Steph or Doncic would go further if he had Harden, Maxey and Tobias.

Mate I think you are really overrating our list by just looking at regular season numbers.

You can’t tell me that Tobias was a terrible move that will hamper the team chances long term, and it has of course. It is stopping management control financially speaking. For what 3 seasons of a huge immovable contract makes businesses go busto.

That’s the catch 22, if the FO has this boom/bust mentality on going all in for Embiid you better get it up to scratch but the list is so flawed I really don’t know a way out. If Embiid is the hill to die on so be it

Maybe it is a problem that our two best players don’t have the game to go all the way but that’s seldom seen because they haven’t done a full run through of the playoffs yet.

But honestly to me it’s the FO above all else. I rate it bottom 5 for the last six years.

And with Grizzlies thing you are wrong as I previously mentioned.

Tobias is a wrong move if you dont look at your limitations. Simply, we can use Tobias money to sign Kevin Durant but that’s not happening.

Tobias is not a wrong move if you look at your limitations and how it went after it.

Who are the alternatives?
- Dario and Shamet (future Guangdong tigers MVP)
- Hayward (injured)
- Brogdon (always injured)
- DLo (shooting like thybulle)
*ben wouldnt be happy if you got those 3 because Embiid said we let Jimmy go because Ben wants the ball

And in the end we are either are the..
- most talented team
- one of the most talented teams (2019-2020)
- top seed in the east

Tobias is now shooting 3s and playing good defense.
Not being a lockeroom cancer complaining about his role.
Top 50 to 60 player in the league as per RAPTOR or RPM.

[76ciology]

If there’s one big mistake we dont talk about that much was letting Jerami Grant go.

But who the hell thought he’d be shooting like Paul George back then?! I wouldnt be surprised if some of us here thought Ben would be a better shooter than Grant. So funny to think about it looking back

Jerami Grant was THE guy we need to play that Tobias role right now.

But Morey could have made a trade for Grant in the offseason, just as what the PTB did but i dont know if we had picks.

[76ciology]

PJ defensively is a great fit next to Biid...not so much offensively and not for the money and not for his age. Thats a problem.
House is just another body that does things other guys already here do but worse. Like a Paules "Shake" Thymaz.

Injuries suck but not getting another shot creator or movement shooter seems dumb. And the team not having athletes at all is bad.

It really shouldn't have been this hard.


It feels like Morey saw that Biid wanted PJ, did that and went "my job here is done" IMO. Shake has been better but I still think we could have looked to upgrade on him. Kork should have been moved too. Thybulle too since they didn't extend or pick up his option.

Just more wasted assets because they assumed that just stacking talent in the starting lineup would solve all. Despite two of said guys having major injury issues too.

again not what good teams do IMO.

Yeah, I like PJ’s fit to Biid. It’s just we need more rebounding.

PJ slows down those drives that allows Biid to recover and send weak side help. PJ also limits the number of penetrations. The problem is when Maxey and Harden gets back, the volume of drives should increase again

[76ciology]

in those trades were also picks as the team has been let down by not having a bench or depth consistantly.

hmmm....wonder why.

people constantly ignore the fact that the best teams do more than just win trades and stack all stars. Teams find dudes off the scrap heap all the time...we have not. The Warriors have had Iggy, Barbosa, Livingston, Poole come off the bench for them. Tne Raptors constantly has some random african guy step up whenever needed lol.

This has always been my biggest issue with the FO, we tossed away second rounders because "they don't matter" while having some of the worst injury luck ever and get caught playing 8 players for stretches at a time and wearing the remaining starters out in the process.

You get the star. Then your job is to make it easier for said star and to get him to the playoffs in tact. Joel has a role in it but every year we make it so he has to do everything because the rest of the team are specialists who suck at their specialty. Keep using it as an example but Steph gets to hide on defense, doesn't have to really run the offense and often has another high gravity guy with him. Giannis doesn't have to run offense as much nor does he have to be the last line of defense (or even guard the best players). Luka is great but Dallas is losing for a lot of the same reasons we are....no one else on that team can do much. Jokic was B2B MVP but was also the 6th seed last year because his running mates and bench were AWOL.

People are constantly trying to be the tough philly fan stereotype in which players just gotta play hard and make it happen when that is simply not how it works man. Ben went out like a hoe but sans a real creator that team covered up more of Biid's flaws than this one did with Ben being a great rebounder and POA defender, Seth giving him a movement shooter option even if only for mid rangers, and Danny being a real spacer. Had the bench not been ass (or rather had Doc trusted Maxey sooner), we'd overcome that hawks team IMO...even w/ Ben in his head.

Keep saying it but basketball isn't a difficult sport. Its a TEAM one however and as cool as if sounds to have your best player just put the team on his back and overcome everything...that's not how it works. People glorify those Bron cavs runs...but they lost except when he had Kyrie and Love making big ass plays ...and holding anyone up to Bron's standards is nuts.

THIS does not mean Embiid can't be better. Nor does it mean he isn't at fault for things. I think him losing MVP last year has **** his brain into thinking that being more Jokic like is the way....when its simply not his game. I hate running EVERYTHING through him as a passing hub because it simply takes too long and ends up in a tough shot. I want him to be the finisher more than the creator. But this idea that the rest of the team has no part in it is nuts. Tiise and PJ are usless on defense. Shake needs the ball in his hands and isn't good enough for that. Furk, love him, but if he;s not going to jack 3s then he can't be here. Reed, again love him, but he is too little most of the time. This team carries guys who simply can't hang for as many minutes as we need them too and it feels like other teams don't have that problem. That is the problem with this team ATM. I wish Doc was a better schemer. I wish Jo was truly able to let the MVP chase go. I wish Tobias made less money or had trade value. But this team simply carries and has to play too many dudes who can't hang most nights. The Warriors aren't even good this season and many of their role players are probably ass but the fact that most of them have size, athleticism and don't get brownie points for looking at the rim is like some world changing **** for me lol.

tldr: Darryl Morey needs to be tried for his crimes.

You lost me at random african* lmfao legit just split my coffee everywhere thanks for making my day.

Mik3’s posts are the best

[Mik317]

Broken record time but that first year team was the blueprint.

Need a real PG to get Biid easy shots. A movement shooter. Two 3-d guys. And Biid

Off the bench a microwave scorer, a stretch big, and ideally a real back up center for once. The rest of the team can be rangy athletes, shooters, and a 3rd PG prospect.

In year one That was Ben, JJ, Cov, Dario, Biid. Marco was the microwave, Ersan was the stretch Big. Didn't have a real back up center. Ben wasn't a real PG and didn;t get Biid easy shots but made up for that on defense and rebounding so it was ok (and we still were lying to ourselves lol). Following season it was Jimmy and Tobias replacing Dario and Cov. Neither were high volume 3pt shooters but Jimmy's creation and defense made up for that. Tobias' defense upgrade over Dario and some of his creation skills as well. No bench tho

Since then we never tried to recreate that IMO. But even the Hawks year of Ben, Seth, Danny, Tobias, Biid was better than nothing just role and prototype wise. Danny wasn't the defender he used to be but the chuck 3s and defend guy is perfect. Tobias again didn't shoot enough 3s (ironically the Tobias we have now would have been fine lol) Seth wasn't the movement shooterwe needed but they figured things out but he was lowkey worse than JJ on defense...and again Ben's lack of development as a creator hurt.

Harden and Maxey are better players than most of the above names but both are targets on defense....whereas we could hide JJ or Seth and we don't have the Ben, Cov, Jimmy defenders to really attack. The game is all about covering up as many weakness as you can while exploiting others. Those teams had worse offensive talent in terms of creation and it was our downfall. But that and the bench was kinda it. We rebounded well IIRC. We defended well too. This current roster does what well? We rely on guys like Maxey, Shake or Niang to get hot from 3 or for Biid to grift his way to the line or hit all of his tough fade aways. Been better on defense but how much of that is Harden and Maxey being hurt and bad teams?

Not even saying its easy to build around a bigman in todays game...its not. Just dont think we are doing a great job of it either.

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About Biid getting easy shots.

You mean lobs?

Because thats what easy shots meant for bigs nowadays.

The problem with Biid is he can’t make lobs at a high volume. And he settles too much on jumpers.

Thats where Im trying to figure out what’s the best set-up for him.

And currently, I’d want to run a squad like the Spurs team instead and let Biid play that old TD role. Run a lot of dribble drive, passing, player movement then dump it to him as a reliable go to guy.

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in those trades were also picks as the team has been let down by not having a bench or depth consistantly.

hmmm....wonder why.

people constantly ignore the fact that the best teams do more than just win trades and stack all stars. Teams find dudes off the scrap heap all the time...we have not. The Warriors have had Iggy, Barbosa, Livingston, Poole come off the bench for them. Tne Raptors constantly has some random african guy step up whenever needed lol.

This has always been my biggest issue with the FO, we tossed away second rounders because "they don't matter" while having some of the worst injury luck ever and get caught playing 8 players for stretches at a time and wearing the remaining starters out in the process.

You get the star. Then your job is to make it easier for said star and to get him to the playoffs in tact. Joel has a role in it but every year we make it so he has to do everything because the rest of the team are specialists who suck at their specialty. Keep using it as an example but Steph gets to hide on defense, doesn't have to really run the offense and often has another high gravity guy with him. Giannis doesn't have to run offense as much nor does he have to be the last line of defense (or even guard the best players). Luka is great but Dallas is losing for a lot of the same reasons we are....no one else on that team can do much. Jokic was B2B MVP but was also the 6th seed last year because his running mates and bench were AWOL.

People are constantly trying to be the tough philly fan stereotype in which players just gotta play hard and make it happen when that is simply not how it works man. Ben went out like a hoe but sans a real creator that team covered up more of Biid's flaws than this one did with Ben being a great rebounder and POA defender, Seth giving him a movement shooter option even if only for mid rangers, and Danny being a real spacer. Had the bench not been ass (or rather had Doc trusted Maxey sooner), we'd overcome that hawks team IMO...even w/ Ben in his head.

Keep saying it but basketball isn't a difficult sport. Its a TEAM one however and as cool as if sounds to have your best player just put the team on his back and overcome everything...that's not how it works. People glorify those Bron cavs runs...but they lost except when he had Kyrie and Love making big ass plays ...and holding anyone up to Bron's standards is nuts.

THIS does not mean Embiid can't be better. Nor does it mean he isn't at fault for things. I think him losing MVP last year has **** his brain into thinking that being more Jokic like is the way....when its simply not his game. I hate running EVERYTHING through him as a passing hub because it simply takes too long and ends up in a tough shot. I want him to be the finisher more than the creator. But this idea that the rest of the team has no part in it is nuts. Tiise and PJ are usless on defense. Shake needs the ball in his hands and isn't good enough for that. Furk, love him, but if he;s not going to jack 3s then he can't be here. Reed, again love him, but he is too little most of the time. This team carries guys who simply can't hang for as many minutes as we need them too and it feels like other teams don't have that problem. That is the problem with this team ATM. I wish Doc was a better schemer. I wish Jo was truly able to let the MVP chase go. I wish Tobias made less money or had trade value. But this team simply carries and has to play too many dudes who can't hang most nights. The Warriors aren't even good this season and many of their role players are probably ass but the fact that most of them have size, athleticism and don't get brownie points for looking at the rim is like some world changing **** for me lol.

tldr: Darryl Morey needs to be tried for his crimes.

You lost me at random african* lmfao legit just split my coffee everywhere thanks for making my day.

I was dying!!!

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