The Jaylen Nowell Thread

[Colbinii]

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I know that the rule the tweeter is referring to is correct, but which rule is it again? I'm trying to find it in the Coon FAQ to see if there's any fine print to look out for. This isn't the Arenas rule, is it?

Id sign him for that.

The Rule is a player can only extend via the Veteran's Extention at 120% of their previous year salary or 120% of the leagues average salary--whichever is higher. 120% of Nowells Salary is extremely low and even 120% of the leagues average salary [$10,792,000] is a starting salary of $12,950,400 with 5% raises is around 60 Million.

[TheZachAttack]

Nowell has generally been good despite poor efficiency, but needs to score more efficiently. I believe he will take that step but he needs to show he's capable of consistency and expectations.

[minimus]

Nowell has generally been good despite poor efficiency, but needs to score more efficiently. I believe he will take that step but he needs to show he's capable of consistency and expectations.

He played very unselfish, efficient games then contract extension rumors was reported. Since then he has not been very efficient. Idk maybe it's just a coincidence.

[winforlose]

Nowell has generally been good despite poor efficiency, but needs to score more efficiently. I believe he will take that step but he needs to show he's capable of consistency and expectations.

He played very unselfish, efficient games then contract extension rumors was reported. Since then he has not been very efficient. Idk maybe it's just a coincidence.

I think it is more about flow. Last game he got stuffed at least twice maybe 3 times. As the ball movement slows and the iso attacks increase everyone is less efficient. I don’t know if Nowell can fix some of this with drive and kick, or maybe get some off ball screens going and run some PNP or PNR, but as more advanced and cohesive offense is run in flow I expect his numbers to come back up.

One weird thing is his 3s are often open and in flow and he still misses them. Maybe that is confidence, or maybe it is shot type, (he might need catch and shoot instead of pull up.) If this is the case JMAC might really help him the way he used to help Beasley.

[minimus]

Can anyone describe what is going on with Nowell lately. If I understand correctly:

1) he is not a comboguard who can handle starting PG duties
2) he is more effective with McLaughlin who pushed the pace and takes care of the ball
3) he tries hard in defense and offense. I have seen some very high effort plays from him, such as beating opponent big on offensive board and scoring second chance points
4) I am not sure if Nowell is already worth more than 58/4, although I would sign him to this deal, but with 3rd and 4th year not fully guaranteed

[Domejandro]

Can anyone describe what is going on with Nowell lately. If I understand correctly:

1) he is not a comboguard who can handle starting PG duties
2) he is more effective with McLaughlin who pushed the pace and takes care of the ball
3) he tries hard in defense and offense. I have seen some very high effort plays from him, such as beating opponent big on offensive board and scoring second chance points
4) I am not sure if Nowell is already worth more than 58/4, although I would sign him to this deal, but with 3rd and 4th year not fully guaranteed

Going one-by-one:

1. I think he could develop as a combo-guard, but he is far too isolation heavy, right now. He struggles to get others involved in the flow of a half-court offense.

2. This is accurate.

3. His defense is legitimately a disaster, to the point that he is losing minutes because of it.

4. That would be a franchise crippling contract, Minnesota should not (and won't) offer that.

There is a reason why I've said that I would cap at a $24/4 offer (which is generous), despite liking him. Everyone getting hyped in here about offering him a maximum extension were (respectfully) drinking the Kool-Aid. He is far too one-dimensional, as a player.

[minimus]

Can anyone describe what is going on with Nowell lately. If I understand correctly:

1) he is not a comboguard who can handle starting PG duties
2) he is more effective with McLaughlin who pushed the pace and takes care of the ball
3) he tries hard in defense and offense. I have seen some very high effort plays from him, such as beating opponent big on offensive board and scoring second chance points
4) I am not sure if Nowell is already worth more than 58/4, although I would sign him to this deal, but with 3rd and 4th year not fully guaranteed

Going one-by-one:

1. I think he could develop as a combo-guard, but he is far too isolation heavy, right now. He struggles to get others involved in the flow of a half-court offense.

2. This is accurate.

3. His defense is legitimately a disaster, to the point that he is losing minutes because of it.

4. That would be a franchise crippling contract, Minnesota should not (and won't) offer that.

There is a reason why I've said that I would cap at a $24/4 offer (which is generous), despite liking him. Everyone getting hyped in here about offering him a maximum extension were (respectfully) drinking the Kool-Aid. He is far too one-dimensional, as a player.

3. Yes, his defense has been bad, in my opinion because he fouls too much. For instance DLo lately has been trying to defend AND he has been able not to commit weak fouls. But with Nowell it happens too often. But he tries, which is quite an improvement from last season, when he played awful defense.

4. I guess our FO's offers is around your mentioned 24/4, and Nowell expectation is 58/4. IMO if they meet at 40/4 it will be win-win for both sides.

[life_saver]

Nowell needs a consistent 3 point shot

[winforlose]

Can anyone describe what is going on with Nowell lately. If I understand correctly:

1) he is not a comboguard who can handle starting PG duties
2) he is more effective with McLaughlin who pushed the pace and takes care of the ball
3) he tries hard in defense and offense. I have seen some very high effort plays from him, such as beating opponent big on offensive board and scoring second chance points
4) I am not sure if Nowell is already worth more than 58/4, although I would sign him to this deal, but with 3rd and 4th year not fully guaranteed

1) At 23 he has shown passing instincts and some real gems to get guys wide open for dunks or 3s. That said, he turns the ball over too much. One game he didn’t miss a shot, but had 6 TOs in like 20+ minutes. It isn’t hopeless that he could play PG, we badly need the slashing he provides, but he is by no means there yet.

2) Nowell missing his 3s changes the nature of him as a player. Instead of a 3 level scorer, he becomes a transition specialist who can also attack off the dribble and score on the pull up or at the rim. If he figures out his 3, then he doesn’t need pace, he can play iso or any set you want at any speed you want.

3) He wants to be a good defender, but he isn’t. He stays in front, fights through screens, but does get a lot of whistles against him. Combine this with the turnovers, and his situation is tough. He strikes me as a guy who has not hit his ceiling. He also strikes me as someone who needs more set plays and structure to help him get there. I think if a team trades for him, he will play better for them.

4) Nowell has the potential to be worth more. But you saw how paying potential worked out for Wiggins and Dlo. His play has nose dived recently. 4 for 32 with a team option fourth year is probably fair.

[minimus]

Can anyone clarify: let's say DLo stays with us. We will be still able to resign Nowell and Reid regardless cap situation, assuming we won't give more than maximum alllowed 58/4 for Nowell. Is it correct? I assume that we can resign our own players and go over cap.

[shrink]

Can anyone clarify: let's say DLo stays with us. We will be still able to resign Nowell and Reid regardless cap situation, assuming we won't give more than maximum alllowed 58/4 for Nowell. Is it correct? I assume that we can resign our own players and go over cap.

You’re correct. Both Nowell and Reid have played with us for three years without signing a new contract, so we have full Bird rights. This allows us to sign either player for whatever we want, regardless of our salary cap position.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/10/nba-bird-rights/

If we keep DLo though, the practical question won’t be “can we?” but “will we?” because it will likely mean luxury taxes down the line.

[minimus]

Can anyone clarify: let's say DLo stays with us. We will be still able to resign Nowell and Reid regardless cap situation, assuming we won't give more than maximum alllowed 58/4 for Nowell. Is it correct? I assume that we can resign our own players and go over cap.

You’re correct. Both Nowell and Reid have played with us for three years without signing a new contract, so we have full Bird rights. This allows us to sign either player for whatever we want, regardless of our salary cap position.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/10/nba-bird-rights/

If we keep DLo though, the practical question won’t be “can we?” but “will we?” because it will likely mean luxury taxes down the line.

Thank you! I am trying to read here between lines. There was a rumor that our FO had another round of contract negotiations with both Reid and Nowell. These talks were going while no new contract negotiations with Russell were rumored. Can it be considered as strong indication that we won't keep Russell? Or we can resign all three players, start next season and trade before next trade deadline to avoid luxury tax? I am curious what type of creative path our FO can implement here.

[winforlose]

Can anyone clarify: let's say DLo stays with us. We will be still able to resign Nowell and Reid regardless cap situation, assuming we won't give more than maximum alllowed 58/4 for Nowell. Is it correct? I assume that we can resign our own players and go over cap.

You’re correct. Both Nowell and Reid have played with us for three years without signing a new contract, so we have full Bird rights. This allows us to sign either player for whatever we want, regardless of our salary cap position.

https://hoopshype.com/2018/10/10/nba-bird-rights/

If we keep DLo though, the practical question won’t be “can we?” but “will we?” because it will likely mean luxury taxes down the line.

Thank you! I am trying to read here between lines. There was a rumor that our FO had another round of contract negotiations with both Reid and Nowell. These talks were going while no new contract negotiations with Russell were rumored. Can it be considered as strong indication that we won't keep Russell? Or we can resign all three players, start next season and trade before next trade deadline to avoid luxury tax? I am curious what type of creative path our FO can implement here.

The preseason rumors were that Dlo was asking for too much relative to the new POBOs interest level. After the Rudy trade things got a bit more complicated, but long story short, TC is not likely to let Dlo walk for nothing. But, that doesn’t mean he is in a hurry to sign an extension. He could move Dlo at the deadline or wait till the offseason and use the bird rights to resign. TC probably wanted to see if Dlo would play better having Rudy to run PNR with, and to back him up on D. You know what kind of season Dlo is having and how it will affect his negotiating power. Odds are we keep all 3 or trade 1 or 2 and keep the rest.

Naz is the least likely to stay, as he is forced to play PF next to a C or ride the pine for most of the year. Personally, I like Naz at PF on offense, but he needs to learn to defend it. There are big differences and it is a process to make that adjustment.

[minimus]

Naz is the least likely to stay, as he is forced to play PF next to a C or ride the pine for most of the year. Personally, I like Naz at PF on offense, but he needs to learn to defend it. There are big differences and it is a process to make that adjustment.

I think Naz Reid is one of the best five-out C. And one of the worst PF in the league.

[minimus]

One thing I noticed is Nowell ability to keep possession alive by snatching offensive rebounds. He needs to keep same intensity on both ends of the floor: boxing out, winning 50/50 balls. His defense is bad, but against MEM he was our energy spark from the bench, he ran in fastbreak, filled empty corners, he scores easy points just by getting open under the rim. Really impressive performance.

https://youtu.be/MW4lX4GfoAA

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[shrink]

I wanted to add that the most the Wolves could offer Nowell or Reid is a deal starting at 20% more than the average salary (which would be $12.6 mil in Year One)

Like Lake Wobegon, few NBA players think they aren’t above average. Nowell may simply decline any extension offer, hoping for a better new contract this off-season from someone, in another season with depleted free agent talent.

[Mamba4Goat]

I wanted to add that the most the Wolves could offer Nowell or Reid is a deal starting at 20% more than the average salary (which would be $12.6 mil in Year One)

Like Lake Wobegon, few NBA players think they aren’t above average. Nowell may simply decline any extension offer, hoping for a better new contract this off-season from someone, in another season with depleted free agent talent.

I don’t believe that’s correct. They should have full bird rights. Similar to how Dallas could’ve offered Brunson as much as NY but chose not to.

[shrink]

I wanted to add that the most the Wolves could offer Nowell or Reid is a deal starting at 20% more than the average salary (which would be $12.6 mil in Year One)

Like Lake Wobegon, few NBA players think they aren’t above average. Nowell may simply decline any extension offer, hoping for a better new contract this off-season from someone, in another season with depleted free agent talent.

I don’t believe that’s correct. They should have full bird rights. Similar to how Dallas could’ve offered Brunson as much as NY but chose not to.

I don’t think it’s a question of Bird rights - I think it’s a question of the max raise a minimum guy can get on an extension.

This summer, on a new deal, they could offer him the max. The Brunson extension is a similar number ..

Tim MacMahon of ESPN:

Dallas could have signed Brunson to a four-year extension for as much as $55.5 million before the season, but the Mavs didn’t offer it then nor did they engage in negotiations with Brunson’s representatives.

Nor were the Mavs willing to make that commitment midseason

Dallas offered the extension immediately after the Feb. 10 trade deadline

“I told him once the season is started, that’s it,” Rick Brunson says. “I told the Mavericks, ‘Once the season is started, there’s no contract talk,’ and I went back against my word. In January, I thought he did enough where he deserved [the extension]. I said, ‘Hey, take the money, man.’ He wants security. He wants to live here. And they declined.

“He didn’t turn s— down. Y’all declined first. When y’all came back to him, we said, ‘Hey, we just want to finish out the season and go from there.'”

Dallas signed Dorian Finney-Smith to the same largest-allowable contract extension (four years, $55,560,960) right after the trade deadline. Like Finney-Smith, Brunson would’ve been a bargain on that deal.

[shrink]

Now, what MIN could have done earlier was decline the team option on Nowell’s final, vet min, season and then sign him for whatever as a free agent. Yes, it’s rare for a team to give up a very team-friendly year on a contract, but it does happen occasionally, for superstars that teams are desperate to stay on good terms with, regardless of the cost.

But Jaylen is no Jokic. MIN probably picked up Nowell’s team option for this year without a whole lot of thought, and didn’t expect to be offering an extension for over $12 mil anyway. And they definitely wanted to avoid the lux now, since they can see it coming down the road.

[fattymcgee]

I'm not so sure anyone will offer Nowell over $12M per year, he hasn't stepped up like we thought he would.
His defense is terrible! It's weird because he usually seems like he's giving effort, but just dumb defensively. He's weak, doesn't take the right angles, and in the zone he falls asleep and let's the other team get repeated dunks.